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| eduardootero | Hi everyone. Please, one question. | 08:42 |
| eduardootero | Is there a possibility to speak to get openssl support verification back into the OPKG (package manager)? | 08:42 |
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| jmd | eduardootero: So far as I know, the place for such requests would be https://code.google.com/archive/p/opkg/issues | 08:44 |
| eduardootero | jmd thank you. I had a quick look and it seems like maybe the site is a bit out of date? I will try using github on the opkg project :-) | 08:47 |
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| paulbarker | eduardootero, jmd: code.google.com is archived. I think the place to file issues is the Yocto bugzilla: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=Product%3Aopkg | 09:08 |
| paulbarker | At least according to https://git.yoctoproject.org/opkg/tree/docs/CONTRIBUTING.md | 09:08 |
| eduardootero | paulbarker Thanks! I have subscribed to the opkg yocto project and I was about to post a topic there. It would be great if OPKG could support OpenSSL signature verification :-) | 09:09 |
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| jmd | paulbarker: But opkg is not a yocto thing. That comes from openembedded so far as I'm aware. | 09:18 |
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| paulbarker | jmd: The source repo moved to git.yoctoproject.org when Google closed their code hosting service | 09:20 |
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| RP | paulbarker: YP and OE share it | 09:55 |
| RP | er, jmd: ^^^ | 09:55 |
| RP | eduardootero: feature work is nice but it does need someone to do the development | 09:56 |
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| eduardootero | RP true. I just saw in the changelog.md for OPKG that there was support in the past for OpenSSL signature verification, but it was removed because the community preferred using GPG. https://github.com/oe-mirrors/opkg/blob/51a381a7f0908ad38f51a3b3e59fe60290fc2589/CHANGELOG.md?plain=1#L45 | 09:59 |
| eduardootero | I was wondering if maybe the support could be brought back, if it was there in the past? Of course, there may be need for development true. | 09:59 |
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| mckoan | eduardootero: you are right, community preferred using GPG but all modern signature verification mechanisms are using OpenSSL | 10:13 |
| mckoan | eduardootero: you pointed out a good subject | 10:13 |
| RP | eduardootero: something to discuss with the opkg maintainers. I don't remember the reasons... | 10:14 |
| mckoan | eduardootero: BTW in case we need signature verification we switch to RPM though | 10:14 |
| eduardootero | mckoan thanks for the comment. In our company we are working with Azure, and we (not my decision in particular, I do not have the authority) has chosen to implement ssl first in our signing server directly supported by Microsoft Azure. I understood from other colleagues of mine that Microsoft generally do not support any open source pgp system | 10:16 |
| eduardootero | (including gpg). That is the situation were we are right now, more or less. | 10:16 |
| rburton | eduardootero: patches welcome, obviously. if it used to be there then it should be easier to bring back... | 10:16 |
| eduardootero | RP I created a POST in the group https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/opkg/topic/can_openssl_signature/115749865 asking about if there are any plans for bringing it back. | 10:17 |
| eduardootero | mckoan we are generating IPK packages and using OPKG package manager, today, since it is lightweight and perfect for our embedded device. | 10:19 |
| eduardootero | If I understood your comment correctly, are you suggesting that we could consider moving to RPM package manager, for the signature verification via OpenSSL? | 10:19 |
| mckoan | eduardootero: yes, RPM supports signature verification https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/linux-on-systems?topic=instructions-verify-rpm-deb-package | 10:21 |
| eduardootero | rburton I have not looked in depth into the OPKG implementation but I will definitely look into versions under 0.5.0 to check the existent OpenSSL signature implementation before it was removed. It may be worth bringing it as a patch. Agree. We need this by the beginning of next year if we want to continue using OPKG. | 10:21 |
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| RP | eduardootero: if you provide patches, I suspect the chances of this happening are much much higher! | 10:26 |
| neverpanic | eduardootero: If you're looking at this because of PQC, your best bet is probably to use RPM with its rust-sequoia-rpm backend, with OpenPGP PQC keys. | 10:27 |
| neverpanic | That's the beaten path, because Linux distros will do that. If you go for something else, expect there to be dragons along the way. | 10:27 |
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| neverpanic | As for the signing server, as long as it can speak PKCS#11, you should be able to get it to work with https://gitlab.com/sequoia-pgp/sequoia-cryptoki | 10:28 |
| neverpanic | (Note: All of the PQC stuff is still on branches in sequoia and sequioa-cryptoki, though. It'll be merged once the OpenPGP RFC finalizes.) | 10:29 |
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| rburton | 🎉 | 10:38 |
| eduardootero | neverpanic to be honest with you I was not aware of PQC, I know I saw it in the Yocto Packages signing section, with the sequoia, but we were not looking at this because of PQC. Nevertheless, thanks for bringing this up, I will share the knowledge in the team about PQC. | 10:40 |
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| eduardootero | rburton I will have a discussion in the team to consider allocating time for bringing back OpenSSL support into OPKG. I also waiting on to hear from the OPKG maintainers, about what they do think on this topic, from the post I created earlier :-) | 10:41 |
| RP | rburton: maybe. Already finding new breakage :/ | 10:42 |
| rburton | i almost also put 🔥 but thought i'd be optimistic | 10:42 |
| RP | rburton: I'm trying to be optimistic. Last nights build blew up with perf repro failures too :/ | 10:43 |
| RP | maybe hash issues, not sure | 10:43 |
| RP | Does anyone have anything missing for the M3 build? | 10:44 |
| eduardootero | RP sorry I tag rburton by mistake on my last message. My last message was intended to address your last comment on the OPKG topic :-) | 10:44 |
| RP | eduardootero: I saw the email, thanks! | 10:47 |
| eduardootero | RP :D | 10:47 |
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| RP | rburton: these are the next issues: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/85/builds/738 | 11:12 |
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| Ermine | Hello, I'm learning Yocto and trying to make it use a custom U-Boot config. Do I need to put a .bbappend file for that in the layer I'm using for bootloader and kernel-related stuff (meta-rockchip in my case), or should I make a new layer? | 12:16 |
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| paulbarker | Ermine: It's best to put it in your own layer | 12:29 |
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| paulbarker | That way you can easily pull in updates to the other layers you're using without any risk of conflicts, and manage what's yours vs what's third party cleanly | 12:29 |
| rburton | RP: so our pkgconfig deps magic no longer works as rpmdeps thinks libdir is /path/to/native/sysroot/ not /usr/lib | 12:39 |
| Ermine | paulbarker: I see, thank you | 12:39 |
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| rburton | RP: so yeah rpm really doesn't like being 'cross'. the native prefix gets used in too many places for the target prefix. | 13:15 |
| rburton | the only bit of rpmdeps that actually works is the shlib code so we could reimplement that and speed up the build ... | 13:16 |
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| rburton | RP: so guess what - i can't remember why we exactly we didn't like my nativesdk-sdk-provides-dummy patch. its not needed because the pkgconfig dependency generation has been broken for ages which is why nothing broke when it failed. | 13:41 |
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| mischief | khem: yes, UTF32/UTF-32. gdb uses it :shrug: | 13:52 |
| mischief | you can find it in iconv -l output | 13:52 |
| rburton | because i was curious, it appears to be used for ada or rust support | 13:53 |
| mischief | it's somehow invoked when not using ada or rust. | 13:54 |
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| mischief | (gdb) b malloc | 13:54 |
| mischief | Breakpoint 1 at 0x5110 | 13:54 |
| mischief | (gdb) r | 13:54 |
| mischief | Starting program: /usr/bin/lscpu | 13:54 |
| mischief | warning: could not convert 'malloc' from the host encoding (ANSI_X3.4-1968) to UTF-32. | 13:54 |
| mischief | This normally should not happen, please file a bug report. | 13:54 |
| rburton | never seen that with our gdb on target, weird | 13:55 |
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| mischief | LANG=C but i don't think thats the problem and probably more todo with glibc locale config | 13:57 |
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| RP | rburton: I don't remember exactly. We did want to work out what happened to rpmdeps as there are python/perl things missing as well as pkgconfig | 14:02 |
| rburton | rpmdeps is just broken for us | 14:03 |
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| RP | rburton: it did used to work ok for what we were doing with it | 14:10 |
| rburton | i suspect the move to rpm4 might have been when that broke | 14:11 |
| rburton | dont fancy bisecting to figure out when it broke | 14:11 |
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| RP | rburton: I don't know. Keep in mind that if I suggested doing our own dependency analysis, everyone would complain about me doing NIH :/ | 14:11 |
| RP | rburton: I just can't win | 14:11 |
| rburton | my initial proposal is embed pyelftools and then its six lines of py to extract the shlib requires | 14:12 |
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| RP | rburton: we do have limited pkgconfig dependency code in our packaging code too | 14:12 |
| RP | rburton: the python packaging code already does shlibs anyway, we don't rely on rpmdeps for that | 14:13 |
| rburton | ah in that case what does rpmdeps even do then | 14:13 |
| RP | rburton: it was meant to do pkgconfig and perl deps from memory | 14:14 |
| rburton | i'll make it dump what it extracted and see what it says | 14:14 |
| RP | it may add shlibs data too | 14:14 |
| RP | we had shlibs/pkgconfig support in the times before rpmdeps | 14:15 |
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| rburton | hm yeah shlibs does objdump, my pyelf rebuild just dives through the elf directly instead of that | 14:18 |
| rburton | mischief: install glibc-gconv-utf-32? | 14:19 |
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| mischief | rburton: i will try it, thanks. is there some magic to do that or just an explicit addition somewhere? | 14:24 |
| rburton | add it to your image | 14:24 |
| rburton | if that works then the question is why its needed for you as ive never seen that... | 14:25 |
| mischief | ok, no magic. :-) | 14:25 |
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| mischief | rburton: see gdb/charset.c in binutils-gdb | 14:27 |
| rburton | RP: its duplicates the shlib detection and adds in /bin/sh detection | 14:29 |
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| RP | rburton: ah, shebang handling | 14:37 |
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| rburton | PSA for anyone using java: https://github.com/lucimber/meta-openjdk-temurin is a layer that just got added to the layer index, packaging the eclipse binary releases of the JDK | 14:53 |
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| Saur | rburton: If I remember correctly (and it was a long time ago since I last messed with rpmdeps), we needed it because we had libraries without SONAME, which OE's shlib detection wouldn't handle. Without checking, I do not know if we still do... | 14:54 |
| rburton | interesting | 14:54 |
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| rburton | i just turned off rpmdeps and am building an image to see what the deps changes actually are | 14:55 |
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| RP | https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/37/builds/2714 - segfault in ovmf do_deploy? | 14:59 |
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| khem | vmeson: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=107c344a627c29a2c6a1a47f57d3d63e74bbb112 | 15:29 |
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| rburton | the bulk of the space is actually in llvm, which my split does as -g1 in the recipe itself and not that file | 15:37 |
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| khem | -g1 does help but not much, you really need -g0 | 15:42 |
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| rburton | it made a pretty serious difference | 15:47 |
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| khem | it will for sure better than -g which effectively is -g3 | 15:49 |
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| khem | maybe its good to know what the numbers are for g g0 g1 | 15:50 |
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| vmeson | khem: thanks CC @Sundeep | 15:52 |
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| Sundeep | khem: thanks khem, we will do some tests with different debug optimizations and post the results on ml along with patch | 15:53 |
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| rburton | Sundeep: for native the problem is that debug builds means -g and you can't easily tweak that like we can for target | 15:57 |
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| walter | Somebody was mentioning needing some JavaScript changes. I can take a look. Just point me to the page with the issue and the repo. | 15:58 |
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| rburton | RP: ok filed 16002 for the poky/build-appliance. probably not essential to file a bug for the bitbake-setup docs. brainfarting. what else was there? | 15:58 |
| RP | rburton: there is already a bug for the one Paul mentioned | 15:59 |
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| rburton | the sqlite/pseudo one right | 15:59 |
| RP | rburton: nightly-check-layer failing with bitbake-setup | 15:59 |
| RP | rburton: segfault with ovmf in do_deploy? | 16:00 |
| rburton | rebuild and ignore | 16:00 |
| rburton | wtf is that about | 16:00 |
| rburton | i wonder what was segfaulting | 16:00 |
| RP | rburton: happened multiple times | 16:00 |
| paulbarker | The sqlite/pseudo one is 15963 | 16:00 |
| RP | rburton: it'll be a uninative issue | 16:00 |
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| rburton | RP: same recipe? | 16:00 |
| RP | same issue | 16:00 |
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| rburton | hm ovmf does have a non-trivial deploy that does openssl stuff, that's "special" | 16:01 |
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| RP | of course it does | 16:01 |
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| khem | RP: the vte upgrade we discussed on review call and thought it was benign, but it did cause build regression with clang, I have sent a patch to fix it, it would be good to consider it for release | 16:04 |
| RP | khem: ok, thanks | 16:05 |
| khem | https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251014055229.1083731-1-raj.khem@gmail.com/T/#u | 16:05 |
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| RP | rburton: it is segfaulting running qemu-img | 16:07 |
| rburton | for a start, lets not do that in do_deploy | 16:07 |
| rburton | presumably Yet Another Syscall | 16:07 |
| rburton | or something similar | 16:07 |
| RP | rburton: no pseudo involved | 16:08 |
| rburton | RP: "nightly-check-layer failing with bitbake-setup": the failures i can see on the AB are due to layers breaking, not bitbake-setup. is there a particular build? | 16:09 |
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| rburton | yeah sorry brain continues to stutter. uninative fun like i had with clang. | 16:09 |
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| RP | rburton: check-layer-nightly doe sin fact look ok. New layers were failing and I assumed it was bitbake-setup somehow | 16:10 |
| rburton | see thats one blocker i fixed already | 16:11 |
| RP | rburton: lots of stuff passed in the later end of the build | 16:11 |
| RP | haha | 16:11 |
| RP | I suspect if I drop the qemu update from -next, the ovmf issue will "disappear" | 16:11 |
| RP | I remember this from the past though too, it will come backj | 16:12 |
| rburton | new qemu doing exciting things with new glibc functions? | 16:12 |
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| RP | rburton: I think patchelf broke the binary | 16:15 |
| RP | Doesn't even print help without faulting | 16:15 |
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| rburton | what fault specifically? | 16:16 |
| RP | pokybuild@debian12-vk-3:~/yocto-worker/reproducible/build/build-st/reproducibleB-extended/tmp/sysroots-components/x86_64/qemu-system-native/usr/bin$ ./qemu-img | 16:16 |
| RP | Segmentation fault | 16:16 |
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| rburton | classy | 16:16 |
| RP | [123642.785225] qemu-img[3137116]: segfault at 5608a4cd7374 ip 00005608a4cd7374 sp 00007ffd83ce6dd8 error 7 in qemu-img[5608a4cd7000+12b000] likely on CPU 37 (core 9, socket 0) | 16:16 |
| RP | [123642.787223] Code: 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 48 3a 1f 00 00 00 00 00 48 4a 1f 00 00 00 00 00 48 4a 1f 00 00 00 00 00 8c 00 00 00 <00> 00 00 00 8c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 5a 5 | 16:16 |
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| rburton | i was just scrolling the git log in qemu and wondered if it was a sigill | 16:17 |
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| RP | rburton: did you open a bug? I have a "nice" reproducer | 16:24 |
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| RP | rburton: I can reproduce the segfault just from sstate | 16:38 |
| RP | I'll file one | 16:40 |
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| RP | https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16003 | 16:44 |
| RP | Anyone fancy a hard bug which is at least easily reproduced and can be worked on? | 16:44 |
| RP | The issue is patchelf failing on this binary for some reason | 16:44 |
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| JPEW | RP: Ya, so... I tried `require openssl_${PV}.inc` in `openssl_%.bbappend`, and it is expanding ${PV} to "%", not the actual version (so it's looking for "openssl_%.inc"). I had thought this was the case | 16:53 |
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| RP | JPEW: PV = "${@bb.parse.vars_from_file(d.getVar('FILE', False),d)[1] or '1.0'}" | 16:55 |
| RP | JPEW: so FILE isn't "right" here | 16:55 |
| JPEW | FILE would be `openssl_%.bbappend` in this case | 16:55 |
| RP | JPEW: I wonder if there is something else you could use to get the right value? | 16:56 |
| JPEW | I'll look | 16:56 |
| RP | JPEW: something mangling BB_INCLUDED for example | 16:56 |
| RP | This area of the code is really really old | 16:56 |
| JPEW | I could kinda see why FILE = "opennssl_%.bbappend" is correct, and I don't think changing it would be a good idea | 16:57 |
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| JPEW | Let me see what else there might be | 16:57 |
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| RP | JPEW: right but you could set PV "properly" to your own value | 16:57 |
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| JaMa | FYI: there might be an issue with pseudo and rust-coreutils included in ubuntu-25.04 (instead of gnu coreutils), all do_package now fail | 17:12 |
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| khem | perhaps some corner cases :) as per canonical guys | 18:35 |
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