Tuesday, 2013-05-07

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jafixphello everyone. I'm starting with this embedded system thingy. I bought a mini2440 some months ago and Ive been reading a lot of information on the net. the thing is that, with all that info, Im getting kind of confussed so I would like to have some basic definitions, is anyone up to help me> please?01:08
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Crofton|workzeddii, ping01:21
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fixphello Crofton01:26
-YoctoAutoBuilder- build #130 of nightly-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-x86/builds/13001:28
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mckoangood morning07:41
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bluelightningmorning all08:18
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Garibaldig'day all.  I have an issue while installing a custom SDK.  I see we have a patch to python to support multilib that intoduces a sys.lib variable.  In some cases, however, when I install an SDK, I'm not picking up a sys that has a lib14:05
Garibaldianyone have any idea what might cause this?14:06
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Garibaldiit's almost like it's not using the provided 'sys' module14:13
Garibaldibut is using the provided sysconfig.py and site.py14:13
Garibaldiodd thing is, it doesn't happen everywhere, which suggests something in the environment is hosing me14:14
Garibaldibut I don't see what14:14
Garibaldibut then I'm not a python guru, so maybe it's something else14:18
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lpapphi, why is it good to use Yocto instead of for instance Ubuntu ARM nowadays on embedded?14:27
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rburtonlpapp: flexibility mainly.14:34
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lpapprburton: what flexibility?14:36
rburtonlpapp: complete flexibility as you're specifying the entire system.  ubuntu doesn't work on all arms, or MIPS at all, and you can't just tell ubuntu what cpu you've got and expect it to tune for it14:37
lpapprburton: I am just wondering because people put ubuntu-core onto the pandaboard, and so forth.14:38
rburtonif you use a "big" distro for your embedded product you're generally limited to taking their packages and making small changes14:38
rburtonsure they do14:38
lpappand they can install packages they need.14:38
rburtonand that's fine for experimenting14:38
lpappthey can also capture the system onto a flash card anytime.14:39
rburtonand if you ship that you've almost certainly broken the GPL, which is fun14:39
lpappwhy would you?14:39
lpapp(break GPL)14:40
rburtonit's almost impossible to satisfy the "full sources and build instructions" clause if you do 1) take existing image 2) tweak some packages 3) ship it14:40
lpappI am not sure I follow.14:40
rburtonbut really that's a lame reason to use yocto14:41
rburtoneveryone here uses yocto because it lets you build what you want14:41
rburtonnot what canonical think a desktop OS should be, which you then have to tweak, bend and otherwise change into an embedded OS14:41
lpappok, perhaps I had an environment where it did not matter.14:41
lpappperhaps, it was a micro optimization on the pandaboard.14:41
rburtonhttp://www.slideshare.net/rossburton/the-yocto-project is my presentation about YP, which has a few slides on why14:43
rburtonsadly the format doesn't work very well like that14:43
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Garibaldiin some ways you could take many of the arguments that the Gentoo folk use and use it for Yocto too14:44
rburtonyeah, we do share a common history if you go back far enough14:45
Garibaldiyeah, I read that bitbake was inspired by portage, and the recipes do remind me a lot of ebuilds :-)14:46
rburtonafaik, it's more derived from instead of inspired by14:47
lpappso why not gentoo embedded then? :)14:47
rburtonhttp://www.slideshare.net/rossburton/why-you-should-use-the-yocto-project is my other presentation about why you should use YP, but the speakers notes are not that great14:47
rburtonlpapp: because YP has adoption and real-world use :)14:48
rburtonyocto is a mature distro builder that's been used in numerous real products14:49
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Garibaldihey, Google uses portage for ChromeOS -- I'd hardly call it "immature"14:50
lpappwhy did it need to derive from Gentoo?14:50
lpappnot that I like gentoo that much myself, just asking.14:51
rburtonGaribaldi: i just said yocto was mature, no diss on gentoo14:51
Garibaldirburton: :-)14:51
rburtonlpapp: gentoo portage and bitbake share a common root, that's all14:51
Garibaldiwith Gentoo, you get Gentoo.  With YP you get whatever you want14:52
GaribaldiYP gives you more flexibility in the end product14:52
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Garibaldilike the Montavista folks aren't going to make their distro Gentoo, but they might use YP to build their disto14:53
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GaribaldiI've actually toyed with the idea of using YP to build the Gentoo stage3 base system from scratch14:56
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Garibaldirburton: granted14:56
rburtonmonta vista carrier grade is yocto-compliant14:56
rburtonGaribaldi: i do wonder how many distros that now support aarch64 bootstrapped via yocto.  i know debian did.14:57
Garibaldiit makes a ton of sense14:57
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sgw1YTPM: Saul is on15:00
zeddiiYPTM: Bruce Ashfield on the call.15:00
scottrifYPTM: Scott rifenbark is on15:00
Song_LiuYPTM: Welcome to the technical team meeting. Please let me know who's on the bridge. Thanks!15:00
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tomz1YPTM: Tom here15:00
RPYPTM: Richard is on the call15:01
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rburtonYPTM: ross is on the call15:01
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pidgeYPTM: Beth is dialing in now15:01
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denixYPTM: Denys is here15:01
belenYPTM: belen is here15:02
strassekYPTM: Kevin Strasser is here15:02
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jzhang-laptopYPTM: jzhang's on the call15:02
Song_LiuYPTM: Opens from anyone?15:03
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frayYPTM: Mark is here...15:03
bluelightningYPTM: 1.4.115:03
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sgw1fray: morning, I was able to reproduce that rpm macros issue that was filed yesterday against 1.4, mkdir and mkdir_p are pointing to different places (/bin and /usr/bin)15:04
fraymy suggestion for an easy fix.. mkdir_p should be %{_mkdir} -p in the macros.in file15:04
fraythat should fix it15:05
fray(and be an easy change)15:05
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adamianadamian on IRC, not on call - can't get the desk phone to work :(15:05
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sgw1I will work on that, I think it might be a host contamination issue15:05
frayI'm sure it is.. but fixing th macros.in is by far the easiest approach15:05
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sgw1bluelightning: there is a patch that you will need to pick up from me shortly15:08
bluelightningsgw1: ok15:09
rburtondvhart: i have a screenie of shutdown crashing on qemux86 for when you're around properly15:11
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rburtondvhart: also apologies for not replying to that mail - silence is compliance as they say :)15:14
dvhartrburton, go ahead and point me at the screenshot15:14
dvhartand nobody need apologize to me for missing something, I'm dropping balls on the ground more than I'm catching them lately :-)15:15
rburtondvhart: trying to get netconsole through a qemu working to get more than one screen15:15
dvhartwhy not use serial?15:15
dvhart-nographic ?15:15
frayYPTM: is the 1.5 planning on wiki yt?15:15
rburtondvhart: http://imgur.com/hQXxIAk15:16
lpapprburton: I should probably do a feasibility study whether we need Yocto.15:16
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lpappone thing is that we need the socketcan driver, so we would need to customize the kernel anyway, but you can do that for Ubuntu as well, I believe.15:17
dvhartrburton, yeah, try running with -nographic and logging the output from the console15:17
dvhartbut you did at least get the entire stack trace15:17
dvhartwhich is very fortunate :-)15:17
* zeddii hears short meeting and perks up.15:18
dvhartrburton, I see "native_machine_*".... is this with or without paravirt?15:18
* scottrif has to bail for practice - later.15:19
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rburtondvhart: with, this is stock qemux8615:21
adamianadamian managed to phone in15:22
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dvhartrburton, paravart is a kernel config15:23
dvhartoh... you mean the stock BSP15:23
dvhartright, got it :)15:23
rburtondvhart: so far i've managed to replicate just once so we could blindly flip like we did on x86-64...15:24
dvhartI'm looking at the trace...15:24
dvhartrburton, do you have this build lying around?15:26
dvhartcan you do an addr2line on c101d327 ?15:26
sgw1Song_Liu: Please ensure you add that link to the updated "Releases" page please.15:27
rburtondvhart: ha, got it in a console15:28
dvhartbetter :)15:28
rburtonnot a lot better than the screenie15:28
dvhartyou should have stack and register content15:29
rburtondvhart: http://pastebin.com/e12S8z5h15:29
Song_LiuYPTM: Thank you all for joining the meeting. Have a nice day/evening!15:29
rburtondvhart: that's just noise to me ;)15:29
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dvhartrburton, can you try the addr2line?15:32
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dvhartthat will help me see where it's failing in stop_other_cpus15:32
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rburtondvhart: just building binutils15:35
rburtonoh i can do it on the build host15:35
dvhartoh, I figured you could just do it on your build machine15:35
dvhartyeah :-)15:36
rburtonjust got to find it all :)15:37
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madhurapidge: I wanted help in preparing my application for opw that needs to be submitted tomorrow18:19
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evanpis there something I don't understand about variable expansion? "${@'${SRC_URI}'}" works, but "${@'${SRC_URI}'.split()[0]}" doesn't (the internal variable reference expands to '')19:25
kergothnope, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. but it depends on *when* the expansion occurs, too19:29
kergothalso, you can use the python identifier bits to simplify19:29
feydrautha80can i override PACKAGES in my recipe ?19:30
kergothyou can override any config variable in a recipe. that's how the metadata works19:30
kergothbut doing so is wrong in nearly all cases :)19:30
evanpkergoth: I didn't change any details other than to add ".split()[0]" to that line of my bbclass...I would have thought 'when' would be exactly the same, given that19:31
kergothevanp: yes, that's correct. the two will behave exactly the same, so you must have something else going on, or a gap in your understanding. i'd split out the work into a def'd function so you can bb.warn()19:32
feydrautha80thank you19:36
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evanpkergoth: about that foo="${@SRC_URI}" trick: is the parser aware that the expression depends on ${SRC_URI}, or do I need to set foo[vardeps] when I use that form? I'm not really clear on how smart it is, or really how it works in general....19:50
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kergothevanp: iirc it does check use of python identifiers. if not, it's a bug :)20:04
evanpkergoth: okay, thanks much. (figured out my issue too, def + bb.warn was an excellent idea)20:05
kergothah, glad to hear it20:05
kergothevanp: hmm, checking the code, it looks like it might be missing it, so i stand corrected. I suspect it may have been postponed due to a desire to be smart about it, that is, don't catch every identifier, just ones that aren't also defined in the code, but then there's the question of scope to be concerned with20:09
kergothand that form is only valid in ${@}, not other contexts of python code..20:10
* kergoth digs further to verify20:10
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