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| jafixp | hello everyone. I'm starting with this embedded system thingy. I bought a mini2440 some months ago and Ive been reading a lot of information on the net. the thing is that, with all that info, Im getting kind of confussed so I would like to have some basic definitions, is anyone up to help me> please? | 01:08 |
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| Crofton|work | zeddii, ping | 01:21 |
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| fixp | hello Crofton | 01:26 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:41 |
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| bluelightning | morning all | 08:18 |
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| Garibaldi | g'day all. I have an issue while installing a custom SDK. I see we have a patch to python to support multilib that intoduces a sys.lib variable. In some cases, however, when I install an SDK, I'm not picking up a sys that has a lib | 14:05 |
| Garibaldi | anyone have any idea what might cause this? | 14:06 |
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| Garibaldi | it's almost like it's not using the provided 'sys' module | 14:13 |
| Garibaldi | but is using the provided sysconfig.py and site.py | 14:13 |
| Garibaldi | odd thing is, it doesn't happen everywhere, which suggests something in the environment is hosing me | 14:14 |
| Garibaldi | but I don't see what | 14:14 |
| Garibaldi | but then I'm not a python guru, so maybe it's something else | 14:18 |
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| lpapp | hi, why is it good to use Yocto instead of for instance Ubuntu ARM nowadays on embedded? | 14:27 |
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| rburton | lpapp: flexibility mainly. | 14:34 |
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| lpapp | rburton: what flexibility? | 14:36 |
| rburton | lpapp: complete flexibility as you're specifying the entire system. ubuntu doesn't work on all arms, or MIPS at all, and you can't just tell ubuntu what cpu you've got and expect it to tune for it | 14:37 |
| lpapp | rburton: I am just wondering because people put ubuntu-core onto the pandaboard, and so forth. | 14:38 |
| rburton | if you use a "big" distro for your embedded product you're generally limited to taking their packages and making small changes | 14:38 |
| rburton | sure they do | 14:38 |
| lpapp | and they can install packages they need. | 14:38 |
| rburton | and that's fine for experimenting | 14:38 |
| lpapp | they can also capture the system onto a flash card anytime. | 14:39 |
| rburton | and if you ship that you've almost certainly broken the GPL, which is fun | 14:39 |
| lpapp | why would you? | 14:39 |
| lpapp | (break GPL) | 14:40 |
| rburton | it's almost impossible to satisfy the "full sources and build instructions" clause if you do 1) take existing image 2) tweak some packages 3) ship it | 14:40 |
| lpapp | I am not sure I follow. | 14:40 |
| rburton | but really that's a lame reason to use yocto | 14:41 |
| rburton | everyone here uses yocto because it lets you build what you want | 14:41 |
| rburton | not what canonical think a desktop OS should be, which you then have to tweak, bend and otherwise change into an embedded OS | 14:41 |
| lpapp | ok, perhaps I had an environment where it did not matter. | 14:41 |
| lpapp | perhaps, it was a micro optimization on the pandaboard. | 14:41 |
| rburton | http://www.slideshare.net/rossburton/the-yocto-project is my presentation about YP, which has a few slides on why | 14:43 |
| rburton | sadly the format doesn't work very well like that | 14:43 |
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| Garibaldi | in some ways you could take many of the arguments that the Gentoo folk use and use it for Yocto too | 14:44 |
| rburton | yeah, we do share a common history if you go back far enough | 14:45 |
| Garibaldi | yeah, I read that bitbake was inspired by portage, and the recipes do remind me a lot of ebuilds :-) | 14:46 |
| rburton | afaik, it's more derived from instead of inspired by | 14:47 |
| lpapp | so why not gentoo embedded then? :) | 14:47 |
| rburton | http://www.slideshare.net/rossburton/why-you-should-use-the-yocto-project is my other presentation about why you should use YP, but the speakers notes are not that great | 14:47 |
| rburton | lpapp: because YP has adoption and real-world use :) | 14:48 |
| lpapp | means? | 14:48 |
| rburton | yocto is a mature distro builder that's been used in numerous real products | 14:49 |
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| Garibaldi | hey, Google uses portage for ChromeOS -- I'd hardly call it "immature" | 14:50 |
| lpapp | why did it need to derive from Gentoo? | 14:50 |
| lpapp | not that I like gentoo that much myself, just asking. | 14:51 |
| rburton | Garibaldi: i just said yocto was mature, no diss on gentoo | 14:51 |
| Garibaldi | rburton: :-) | 14:51 |
| rburton | lpapp: gentoo portage and bitbake share a common root, that's all | 14:51 |
| Garibaldi | with Gentoo, you get Gentoo. With YP you get whatever you want | 14:52 |
| Garibaldi | YP gives you more flexibility in the end product | 14:52 |
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| Garibaldi | like the Montavista folks aren't going to make their distro Gentoo, but they might use YP to build their disto | 14:53 |
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| Garibaldi | I've actually toyed with the idea of using YP to build the Gentoo stage3 base system from scratch | 14:56 |
| rburton | s/might/do/ | 14:56 |
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| Garibaldi | rburton: granted | 14:56 |
| rburton | monta vista carrier grade is yocto-compliant | 14:56 |
| rburton | Garibaldi: i do wonder how many distros that now support aarch64 bootstrapped via yocto. i know debian did. | 14:57 |
| Garibaldi | it makes a ton of sense | 14:57 |
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| sgw1 | YTPM: Saul is on | 15:00 |
| zeddii | YPTM: Bruce Ashfield on the call. | 15:00 |
| scottrif | YPTM: Scott rifenbark is on | 15:00 |
| Song_Liu | YPTM: Welcome to the technical team meeting. Please let me know who's on the bridge. Thanks! | 15:00 |
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| rburton | YPTM: ross is on the call | 15:01 |
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| pidge | YPTM: Beth is dialing in now | 15:01 |
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| jzhang-laptop | YPTM: jzhang's on the call | 15:02 |
| Song_Liu | YPTM: Opens from anyone? | 15:03 |
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| fray | YPTM: Mark is here... | 15:03 |
| bluelightning | YPTM: 1.4.1 | 15:03 |
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| sgw1 | fray: morning, I was able to reproduce that rpm macros issue that was filed yesterday against 1.4, mkdir and mkdir_p are pointing to different places (/bin and /usr/bin) | 15:04 |
| fray | my suggestion for an easy fix.. mkdir_p should be %{_mkdir} -p in the macros.in file | 15:04 |
| fray | that should fix it | 15:05 |
| fray | (and be an easy change) | 15:05 |
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| adamian | adamian on IRC, not on call - can't get the desk phone to work :( | 15:05 |
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| sgw1 | I will work on that, I think it might be a host contamination issue | 15:05 |
| fray | I'm sure it is.. but fixing th macros.in is by far the easiest approach | 15:05 |
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| sgw1 | bluelightning: there is a patch that you will need to pick up from me shortly | 15:08 |
| bluelightning | sgw1: ok | 15:09 |
| rburton | dvhart: i have a screenie of shutdown crashing on qemux86 for when you're around properly | 15:11 |
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| rburton | dvhart: also apologies for not replying to that mail - silence is compliance as they say :) | 15:14 |
| dvhart | rburton, go ahead and point me at the screenshot | 15:14 |
| dvhart | and nobody need apologize to me for missing something, I'm dropping balls on the ground more than I'm catching them lately :-) | 15:15 |
| rburton | dvhart: trying to get netconsole through a qemu working to get more than one screen | 15:15 |
| dvhart | why not use serial? | 15:15 |
| dvhart | -nographic ? | 15:15 |
| fray | YPTM: is the 1.5 planning on wiki yt? | 15:15 |
| rburton | dvhart: http://imgur.com/hQXxIAk | 15:16 |
| Song_Liu | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Planning | 15:16 |
| lpapp | rburton: I should probably do a feasibility study whether we need Yocto. | 15:16 |
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| lpapp | one thing is that we need the socketcan driver, so we would need to customize the kernel anyway, but you can do that for Ubuntu as well, I believe. | 15:17 |
| dvhart | rburton, yeah, try running with -nographic and logging the output from the console | 15:17 |
| dvhart | but you did at least get the entire stack trace | 15:17 |
| dvhart | which is very fortunate :-) | 15:17 |
| * zeddii hears short meeting and perks up. | 15:18 | |
| dvhart | rburton, I see "native_machine_*".... is this with or without paravirt? | 15:18 |
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| rburton | dvhart: with, this is stock qemux86 | 15:21 |
| adamian | adamian managed to phone in | 15:22 |
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| dvhart | rburton, paravart is a kernel config | 15:23 |
| dvhart | oh... you mean the stock BSP | 15:23 |
| dvhart | right, got it :) | 15:23 |
| rburton | dvhart: so far i've managed to replicate just once so we could blindly flip like we did on x86-64... | 15:24 |
| dvhart | I'm looking at the trace... | 15:24 |
| Corneliu | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/1.4_QA_Status | 15:26 |
| dvhart | rburton, do you have this build lying around? | 15:26 |
| dvhart | can you do an addr2line on c101d327 ? | 15:26 |
| sgw1 | Song_Liu: Please ensure you add that link to the updated "Releases" page please. | 15:27 |
| rburton | dvhart: ha, got it in a console | 15:28 |
| dvhart | better :) | 15:28 |
| rburton | not a lot better than the screenie | 15:28 |
| dvhart | you should have stack and register content | 15:29 |
| rburton | dvhart: http://pastebin.com/e12S8z5h | 15:29 |
| Song_Liu | YPTM: Thank you all for joining the meeting. Have a nice day/evening! | 15:29 |
| rburton | dvhart: that's just noise to me ;) | 15:29 |
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| dvhart | rburton, can you try the addr2line? | 15:32 |
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| dvhart | that will help me see where it's failing in stop_other_cpus | 15:32 |
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| rburton | dvhart: just building binutils | 15:35 |
| rburton | oh i can do it on the build host | 15:35 |
| dvhart | oh, I figured you could just do it on your build machine | 15:35 |
| dvhart | yeah :-) | 15:36 |
| rburton | just got to find it all :) | 15:37 |
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| rburton | dvhart: you've got private messages | 15:40 |
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| evanp | is there something I don't understand about variable expansion? "${@'${SRC_URI}'}" works, but "${@'${SRC_URI}'.split()[0]}" doesn't (the internal variable reference expands to '') | 19:25 |
| kergoth | nope, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. but it depends on *when* the expansion occurs, too | 19:29 |
| kergoth | also, you can use the python identifier bits to simplify | 19:29 |
| kergoth | ${@SRC_URI.split()[0]} | 19:29 |
| feydrautha80 | can i override PACKAGES in my recipe ? | 19:30 |
| kergoth | you can override any config variable in a recipe. that's how the metadata works | 19:30 |
| kergoth | but doing so is wrong in nearly all cases :) | 19:30 |
| evanp | kergoth: I didn't change any details other than to add ".split()[0]" to that line of my bbclass...I would have thought 'when' would be exactly the same, given that | 19:31 |
| kergoth | evanp: yes, that's correct. the two will behave exactly the same, so you must have something else going on, or a gap in your understanding. i'd split out the work into a def'd function so you can bb.warn() | 19:32 |
| feydrautha80 | thank you | 19:36 |
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| evanp | kergoth: about that foo="${@SRC_URI}" trick: is the parser aware that the expression depends on ${SRC_URI}, or do I need to set foo[vardeps] when I use that form? I'm not really clear on how smart it is, or really how it works in general.... | 19:50 |
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| kergoth | evanp: iirc it does check use of python identifiers. if not, it's a bug :) | 20:04 |
| evanp | kergoth: okay, thanks much. (figured out my issue too, def + bb.warn was an excellent idea) | 20:05 |
| kergoth | ah, glad to hear it | 20:05 |
| kergoth | evanp: hmm, checking the code, it looks like it might be missing it, so i stand corrected. I suspect it may have been postponed due to a desire to be smart about it, that is, don't catch every identifier, just ones that aren't also defined in the code, but then there's the question of scope to be concerned with | 20:09 |
| kergoth | and that form is only valid in ${@}, not other contexts of python code.. | 20:10 |
| * kergoth digs further to verify | 20:10 | |
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