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| lpapp | would it be acceptable to at least put the required packages on arch into the documentation even if it is an unsupported platform? | 06:37 |
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| lpapp | ndec: which mailing list to send a patch to, about removing the deprecated x-load for beagleboard? | 07:06 |
| lpapp | yocto@ or poky@? I guess the former? | 07:06 |
| lpapp | is there a guideline somewhere about the separation? | 07:07 |
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| lpapp | what is perl used for in Yocto? | 08:38 |
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| lpapp | kergoth: did you get the chance to reproduce the /usr installation issue? | 09:45 |
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| lpapp | can I instruct bitbake to build a certain layer? I mean the packages inside ... say, my meta-qt5 layer. | 16:33 |
| nerdboy | i think the way to do that might be a package group | 16:50 |
| lpapp | yeah, but how to do that? | 16:51 |
| nerdboy | actually, you could probably just make a meta recipe | 16:56 |
| nerdboy | meta/recipes-multimedia/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb <= like this | 16:56 |
| nerdboy | haven't tried it yet... | 16:57 |
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| lpapp | nerdboy: bluelightning: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/pd928c826/ | 17:40 |
| lpapp | what is this python issue? | 17:40 |
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| nerdboy | just what it says, but i have no idea why it's trying to open fstab | 17:49 |
| nerdboy | wth is smart/media.py? | 17:50 |
| lpapp | nerdboy: I do not know. | 17:51 |
| nerdboy | is fstab not publicly readable on arch? | 17:52 |
| nerdboy | all i see in the traceback is open() so i assume it's a read-only open... | 17:54 |
| nerdboy | what are the perms on fstab? | 17:54 |
| lpapp | ls -l /etc/fstab | 17:58 |
| lpapp | -rw------- 1 root root 386 Jan 5 2013 /etc/fstab | 17:58 |
| nerdboy | that would be it... | 17:59 |
| lpapp | what is your permission on that file, then? | 17:59 |
| nerdboy | world readable | 17:59 |
| nerdboy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4476 Oct 7 2012 /etc/fstab | 18:00 |
| lpapp | 544, ok. | 18:00 |
| nerdboy | on gentoo/debian/ubuntu | 18:00 |
| nerdboy | all the sane | 18:00 |
| lpapp | k | 18:00 |
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| nerdboy | not sure why it cares about discovering media on the build host | 18:01 |
| lpapp | k, it is built now, thanks. | 18:03 |
| nerdboy | seems potentially risky depending on what it's trying to do... | 18:03 |
| lpapp | yeah. | 18:04 |
| nerdboy | i'm pretty new to yocto, but do you have something in your config that enables automatically deploying to an sdcard or something? | 18:05 |
| nerdboy | if so, that would be a feature i didn't know about... | 18:06 |
| lpapp | it is vanilla poky | 18:12 |
| lpapp | latest master. | 18:12 |
| lpapp | JaMa|Off: oh, it is you maintaining the meta-qt5 layer. | 18:19 |
| nerdboy | i'm building off poky master also | 18:22 |
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| nerdboy | depending on what's in your configs, image recipes, etc, it could be very different | 18:22 |
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| lpapp | nothing special really. | 18:30 |
| lpapp | except the external toolchain, it is pretty much the default. | 18:30 |
| * nerdboy is enjoying his new arm chromebook hack | 18:43 | |
| lpapp | nerdboy: :) | 18:46 |
| lpapp | enjoying things is fun. | 18:46 |
| lpapp | nerdboy: shouldn't the layer document how to build the layer? | 18:49 |
| lpapp | or is it just generic for any layer? | 18:49 |
| nerdboy | the layer doc i inherited in my fork is a readme that tells you what other layers it depends on | 18:53 |
| nerdboy | that plus a few image features is pretty much it | 18:54 |
| lpapp | yeah, but the interesting question is how to build the recipes in the layer. | 18:54 |
| nerdboy | i used some "getting started" web page for that part.. | 18:54 |
| nerdboy | normally you just add the package names you want to an image recipe | 18:55 |
| nerdboy | you can inherit other images add packagegroups, etc | 18:55 |
| nerdboy | first thing i did was build existing (albeit bare-bones) pi images | 18:56 |
| lpapp | ok, so people usually create their own image files. | 18:56 |
| nerdboy | or "borrow" from other layers... | 18:56 |
| lpapp | well, I mean they have their own image files. | 18:57 |
| lpapp | whatever it does internally. | 18:57 |
| lpapp | so they do not usually use exiting ones off-hand. | 18:57 |
| nerdboy | i also made the sato image before i decided to make my own | 18:57 |
| nerdboy | beyond the basic oe-core images, it really depends | 18:58 |
| nerdboy | there are gnome, xfce, qt and efl images in various layers | 18:59 |
| nerdboy | i didn't like the dependencies or bloatiness of the above, so i kinda needed to make my own minimal X image | 18:59 |
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| nerdboy | thus, rpi-xorg-image.bb was born | 19:01 |
| nerdboy | which you could easily build for other machines if you remove the one or two-rpi specific packages | 19:01 |
| nerdboy | normally you would refer to virtual/kernel so even that should be fine in another machine config | 19:03 |
| lpapp | I guess there is a description somewhere how to build your own custom image. | 19:03 |
| lpapp | I have always used this core-image-minimal. | 19:03 |
| lpapp | well, we have our own custom kernel. | 19:04 |
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| lpapp | alongside the custom u-boot, busybox, et cetera. | 19:04 |
| nerdboy | minimal is pretty minimal... | 19:04 |
| nerdboy | i had to stop inheriting that to get what i wanted | 19:05 |
| nerdboy | try core-image instead if you want a more "normal" environment | 19:05 |
| lpapp | I personally dislike the meta-foo naming. | 19:05 |
| lpapp | why cannot it have its own dedicated meta folder? | 19:05 |
| lpapp | no no, I wanna have a minimal, really. | 19:06 |
| lpapp | we have a very small nor flash. | 19:06 |
| nerdboy | i'm assuming that was discussed ad nauseum | 19:06 |
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| * nerdboy wasn't involved in that discussion | 19:06 | |
| lpapp | not much to discuss about it. | 19:07 |
| lpapp | small nor flash is small. | 19:07 |
| nerdboy | not the flash... | 19:07 |
| lpapp | you cannot physically put a lot of stuff on it. | 19:07 |
| nerdboy | for that you would probably want to stick with core-image-minimal | 19:07 |
| nerdboy | *the naming scheme discussion... | 19:08 |
| nerdboy | how much flash do you have? | 19:09 |
| lpapp | 32 MB | 19:09 |
| nerdboy | ow | 19:09 |
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| nerdboy | we don't have the NOR flash option on our TI board, but i think we have 256 MB of NAND | 19:13 |
| nerdboy | ,ultiple redundant kernels and rescue rootfs's | 19:14 |
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| nerdboy | since we're now running off an ssd the normal kernel has to live in nand too | 19:15 |
| lpapp | nerdboy: well, it would be nice to be able to build the qt5 packages without an image. | 19:21 |
| lpapp | "bitbake qt5" or so. | 19:21 |
| lpapp | once the layer is cloned properly. | 19:21 |
| nerdboy | that would take a meta recipe | 19:25 |
| lpapp | nerdboy: that is bad | 19:25 |
| lpapp | why two separate layers? | 19:25 |
| lpapp | when the qt5 layer could define it on its own. | 19:26 |
| nerdboy | you need one or the other as a bitbake target | 19:26 |
| nerdboy | you have to bitbake something | 19:26 |
| lpapp | it should be only a meta recipe | 19:26 |
| lpapp | not a separate layer for one particular recipe. | 19:26 |
| lpapp | you bitbake packages, not layeres. | 19:26 |
| lpapp | layers* | 19:26 |
| nerdboy | you can add recipes wherever you like | 19:26 |
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| nerdboy | i had to add several layers to my config because the packages i wanted are spread all over the place | 19:27 |
| lpapp | yeah, but a qt5 layer is dedicated for that, don't you think? :) | 19:27 |
| nerdboy | regardless, to get what you want you need an image or meta recipe to bitbake | 19:27 |
| lpapp | also a recipe in a layer can depend on a recipe in another layer as far as I understand. | 19:28 |
| nerdboy | yeah, but i would hope that's not *too* common | 19:28 |
| lpapp | well, look at meta-qt5 | 19:29 |
| lpapp | they do not have any other chance than depending in oe-core | 19:29 |
| lpapp | and recipes inside meta/ | 19:29 |
| nerdboy | it makes sens for meta, but not so much for random layers... | 19:30 |
| lpapp | well, it makes sense for meta-xilinx, too. | 19:31 |
| lpapp | which depends on meta-sourcery; it is just one of those. | 19:31 |
| nerdboy | my expectations about loose coupling are probably off | 19:32 |
| nerdboy | better if there's not too much coupling between ad-hoc layers, but maybe that's normal | 19:33 |
| lpapp | I think it is normal to have many layers. | 19:34 |
| lpapp | and build softwares on top of each other. | 19:34 |
| nerdboy | yes, but in some cases it's more of a sideways pull rather than a logical layering | 19:38 |
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| nerdboy | at least for my "lite" xorg image i need about 7 layers... | 19:39 |
| nerdboy | and that's without building any kind of xfce/gnome/qt/efl desktop | 19:40 |
| lpapp | funky. | 19:40 |
| nerdboy | it parses recipes much better than old versions of bitbake/oe-classic so it's not painful or anything | 19:42 |
| nerdboy | but it does seem funky... | 19:42 |
| nerdboy | parses and caches | 19:42 |
| lpapp | too bad Yocto does not support pacman. | 19:47 |
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| nerdboy | i'm using opkg | 19:56 |
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| nerdboy | not sure the other package support is fully fleshed out | 19:57 |
| nerdboy | i tried the deb package support but it didn't seem to be working correctly | 19:58 |
| lpapp | really? | 19:58 |
| nerdboy | that was when i first set it up, so it may have been my config | 20:00 |
| nerdboy | i might try it again after i pull all the master branches | 20:01 |
| lpapp | https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4929 | 20:02 |
| yocti | Bug 4929: normal, Undecided, ---, dvhart, NEW , Add support for pacman as package_pacman/xy.bbclass | 20:02 |
| nerdboy | oops, 9 layers now... | 20:02 |
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| lpapp | nerdboy: what are you working on | 20:43 |
| nerdboy | a no-systemd bbappend for gpsd atm... | 20:52 |
| nerdboy | otherwise qa yells at you about unpackaged files... | 20:52 |
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| sgw_ | lpapp: I saw your earlier question about maintaining a list of Arch packages for the Yocto Porject, since you seem to have a keen interest in it working, would you be willing to maintain such a wiki page? Since it's not a supported distro, the team does not really have the installed base, this was one reason I asked you about the package list once before. Your help with this would be greatly apperciated. | 21:00 |
| lpapp | nope, I dislike wikis. | 21:02 |
| lpapp | package list is useless | 21:02 |
| lpapp | it is bloated | 21:02 |
| lpapp | people need more self-contained stuff. | 21:03 |
| lpapp | I believe you did not go far with the package list. | 21:03 |
| lpapp | sgw_: besides, I am not that motivated as arch has been voted down by 1-2 people on the mailing list. | 21:11 |
| lpapp | so I only put as much effort into this as really needed. | 21:11 |
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| sgw_ | lpapp: sorry, I had to step away, well your help is the area would be valuable to others, and you reopen the bugs requesting documentation, some of that documentation has to come from users of Arch, not all, but some. | 22:20 |
| lpapp | unfortunately, I am not in a position to help if arch is rejected. | 22:28 |
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| walters | really oe needs a way to declare host dependencies | 22:36 |
| walters | and emit them in a distro-independent way, like pkgconfig(zlib) instead of hardcoding zlib-devel | 22:37 |
| walters | like we did for jhbuild | 22:37 |
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| lpapp | nerdboy: I meant what project at the company | 23:01 |
| lpapp | what the embedded end product is. | 23:01 |
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