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| pev | morning | 08:42 |
| pev | Anyone know about pkg_postinst_${PN} execution? | 08:42 |
| tf | pev: it's run post installation | 08:43 |
| pev | tf: My understanding is that it runs both on the dev machine and on the target - is there a simple way to provoke it to run on either as it looks like my rule in the recipe never gets called in either case and cant work out how to debug it... | 08:45 |
| tf | pev it runs on the target if it did not succeed on the host | 08:45 |
| tf | you test the ${D} var to tell if you are on target or host | 08:46 |
| pev | tf: Yep, I know about that, but it doesnt seem to get called at all | 08:46 |
| pev | I cloned the logic from : https://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe/blob/master/meta-oe/recipes-support/debianutils/debianutils_2.30.bb | 08:47 |
| pev | tf: However adding echos (and operations that change files) to both cases and I dont see either the echos or the results of the operations | 08:48 |
| pev | so wondering how to explicitly force the rule to execute to debug... | 08:48 |
| tf | pev: and where are you looking for the changes/output? | 08:51 |
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| pev | tf: For echos, Initially in the output of bitbake -v when building the image, also under <build>/tmp/log/* - for the changes I had the rule touch files in the build dir and in /etc on the target using unique names | 08:52 |
| tf | the output should be in the rootfs log for the image | 08:53 |
| pev | tf: Can I get bitbake to *just* build the rootfs alone to test this? | 08:55 |
| tf | build the image | 08:55 |
| uvan | Dear all, does anyone know exactly which Linux version will be used in Yocto release 1.5? | 08:56 |
| pev | Yeah, I'm doing that but wondered if you could isolate the rootfs phase of that alone... | 08:56 |
| ant_work | uvan: 3.10 | 08:57 |
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| ant_work | uvan: and 3.4 (LTS) | 09:00 |
| uvan | ant_work: i want to know exactly is 3.10.9 or 3.10 | 09:00 |
| ant_work | normally th elast patchsets are applied | 09:00 |
| ant_work | so the 3.10.x of october probably | 09:01 |
| bluelightning | uvan: most recent patches already merged say it is based on 3.10.9 | 09:01 |
| pev | tf: OK, figured that out and it seems I can provoke that ok now, so second question is that if I've built it in to an image that I'm putting on to the target, at what point should the postinst code execute on the device and where from? | 09:01 |
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| uvan | ant_work: thanks ant_work, bluelighting | 09:02 |
| ant_work | uvan: https://www.kernel.org/ | 09:02 |
| uvan | yes ant_work | 09:03 |
| ant_work | I guess it could be 3.10.12 by the time | 09:03 |
| uvan | because we are prepare to migrate Linux to 3.10 version to match with yocto release 1.5. so need the release info | 09:03 |
| ant_work | but really, this is uninfluent: the recipe is updated | 09:04 |
| ant_work | that's what matters ;) | 09:04 |
| pev | Ok, I'm confused now - so pkg_postinst runs on the host when building the rootfs. However it looks like the postinst scripts live on the target under /var/lib/opkg - but if the package is already in the image from image creation time, this doesnt look like it's ever run? | 09:06 |
| pev | is it only ever run on the target if you manually add via opkg? | 09:06 |
| bluelightning | uvan: best person to talk to is Bruce Ashfield (zeddii) for definitive answers on the final version | 09:07 |
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| uvan | bluelightning: thanks, i will find him | 09:09 |
| pev | ...and it looks like postinsts should be run by S98run-postinsts ; except thats not there on my system for some reason, and it gets created by /var/lib/opkg/info/opkg.postinst which looks like a catch22 if it's not being run itself?? | 09:11 |
| bluelightning | pev: you don't by chance have opkg installed without package-management in IMAGE_FEATURES? | 09:12 |
| pev | bluelightning: I don't *think* so, just trying to work out what my recipe picks in from other layers... Is there a way to easily show what it's set at for your environment? | 09:20 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Hey, just FYI, I am gradually renaming all my recipes to the libX-perl convention, but! There definitively was a perl-module-X convention at _some_ time, may be long ago, because I see perl-module-X as dependencies for many of the libX-perl recipes on various git's. But they _are_ the old ones, to be fair. :) | 09:21 |
| Stygia | But like I said, it's _Just_ FYI. No complaints. | 09:22 |
| bluelightning | pev: bitbake -e your-image-name is the best way to inspect variable values | 09:23 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Heh, I finally got time to actually do it this week, less on my table and boss' is out (And pre-approved my doing this). | 09:23 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: awesome, much appreciated :) | 09:23 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, How much does it matter to write .inc files that are generic and then bb files that require it? Is that strongly important, or is having just a recipe for the necessary version fine? | 09:24 |
| pev | bluelightning: Ah, that's useful, thanks! That gives me : IMAGE_FEATURES="debug-tweaks package-management" | 09:24 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: for the perl distribution itself I think perl-module-xyz is used yes, but outside of there libxyz-perl is the convention | 09:24 |
| bluelightning | pev: ok, so not the situation I was thinking of in that case | 09:25 |
| pev | Hm :-/ | 09:25 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Well either way, I'll make everything be libX-perl and put it in meta-perl, yea? | 09:25 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: just the recipe is fine; in the old days we had inc files shared by different versions but that's less important these days | 09:25 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Alright, good. | 09:25 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Because that'd be sort of a pain to do. :P | 09:26 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Hmm. If something depends on libc6, is that worth mentioning as a DEPENDS, or is that pretty much implicit? | 09:26 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Specifically a DEPEND and not RDEPEND | 09:26 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: right, splitting out the inc after the fact would be painful :) | 09:26 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: a dependency on libc is implicit unless INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS has been set to "1" | 09:27 |
| tf | Stygia: depends, really | 09:27 |
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| tf | Stygia: but if it only depends on libc, then that needs to be in DEPENDS, nothing is really implict | 09:27 |
| Stygia | Sooo. | 09:28 |
| Stygia | Can you guys fight it out and tell me the answer? :) | 09:28 |
| tf | Stygia: go with bluelightning | 09:28 |
| Stygia | tf, Alright, if you say so. | 09:28 |
| Stygia | tf, I have time to do it right now, though. | 09:28 |
| Stygia | And I'm not gonna rewrite this another time. So how it gets to be now is how I'll commit it. | 09:29 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: if INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS is not set and HOST_SYS != BUILD_SYS (i.e. cross-compiling) then "virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}compilerlibs virtual/libc" is added to DEPENDS (you can see this in base.bbclass) | 09:30 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Well that does sound pretty definitive. | 09:30 |
| Stygia | And I'll say if someone inhibits the default deps it's his problem that stuff doesn't compile, yea? | 09:30 |
| bluelightning | right, you would only set that if you know the compiler/libc aren't needed | 09:31 |
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| pev | bluelightning: Ah - it appears the opkg S98run-postsinsts is a self-deleting script so it might be running and just failing to call my own packages postinst it seems! I've added debug to itself to see if that's what's happening... | 09:38 |
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| rburton | pev: postinst scripts that compete successfully at rootfs time don't re-run on the target | 09:41 |
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| pev | rburton: I used this as a template : https://bitbucket.org/lokkju/openpli-oe/src/37f87a47a88d/packages/netkit-tftp/netkit-tftpd_0.17.bb | 09:57 |
| pev | rburton: it does an "exit 1" which I assumed would signal a non-completion on the host during rootfs so that wouldn't occur? | 09:58 |
| rburton | indeed | 09:59 |
| pev | rburton: Although given that I can see it running on the host I'm almost tempted to say **** it and jsut hack it in as this is seeming to take a hell of a long time to just change a couple of lines in a daemons .conf file... :-D | 09:59 |
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| rburton | hi sameo | 10:01 |
| sameo | rburton: Hey there | 10:01 |
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| pev | OK, so the S98run-postinsts seems to run correctly (and then delete itself) so the next question is why doesn't that in turn call my packages postinst? All the script does in the end is invoke "opkg-cl configure" so why would this call / not call my packages postinst? | 10:05 |
| rburton | it should... | 10:06 |
| pev | Hm....! | 10:09 |
| pev | rburton: I'm a bit out of my depth knowing nothing much about opkg - is there an easy way to test/debug this kind of thing? | 10:10 |
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| Stygia | pev, Man opkg? | 10:23 |
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| eren | opkg is really great | 10:24 |
| eren | it runs very fast actually | 10:25 |
| * eren lately trying the new image with opkg feeds | 10:25 | |
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| Stygia | Isn't it a bit weird that the RPROVIDES in the perl recipe use the perl-module-X convention, whereas CPAN modules use libX-perl? | 10:29 |
| Stygia | It strikes me as confusing. | 10:30 |
| bluelightning | well, it does at least let you know where the package comes from | 10:32 |
| bluelightning | but I'm not sure if there is any other reason for the difference | 10:32 |
| bluelightning | FWIW it's been that way since the OE-Classic days | 10:32 |
| Stygia | Hmm alright. | 10:33 |
| Stygia | Well it just looks weird to have perl-module-strict as a dependency along with libcarp-perl, for example. | 10:33 |
| Stygia | And hmm. Would using metacpan instead of cpan for "homepage" be frowned upon? Metacpan is where I get the metadata and it's essentially an improved cpan (website). | 10:35 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Any opinion? | 10:37 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: I don't see an issue with that; as long as the HOMEPAGE link gives an up-to-date location for info on the upstream project, that should be OK | 10:38 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Fantastic then, and yup, that's what metacpan does. | 10:39 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Because that's what I have everywhere... it would be painful to fix. :P | 10:39 |
| Stygia | Well... | 10:39 |
| Stygia | find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i "s/:\/\/meta/:\/\//gi" | 10:40 |
| Stygia | Not painful. :P | 10:40 |
| Stygia | But anyway, fine. | 10:40 |
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| Stygia | Question, is there any issue with UTF8 characters in recipes that aren't part of the normal English charset? | 11:34 |
| Stygia | The author of one of the CPAN thingimajigs I'm writing a recipe for is called Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason. | 11:35 |
| Stygia | Icelandic name I'm pretty sure, but is there any issue keeping it like that in the recipe? | 11:35 |
| Stygia | Could be Norwegian, but never mind that. | 11:36 |
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| Stygia | I suppose it could introduce issues with maintaining it: Most people can't do æ ø å ä ö â and so on... | 11:47 |
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| rburton | Stygia: its only got to be written once | 11:48 |
| Stygia | rburton, Yup. But I take it, then, no issues? | 11:49 |
| Stygia | I'm sorta hoping you've got your stuff ported to python3, that has unicode magically working. Python2 is more difficult. | 11:49 |
| Stygia | Well I'm gonna push recipes with UTF8 encoding unless anyone says differently. | 11:51 |
| ant_work | Stygia: watch out on patchwork | 11:53 |
| ant_work | I remember issues with dev names | 11:53 |
| ant_work | (developers) | 11:54 |
| Stygia | ant_work, patchwork? | 11:54 |
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| Stygia | (developers, developers, developers) | 11:54 |
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| Stygia | ant_work, I'm not sure what you mean. | 11:55 |
| zibri | http://patchwork.openembedded.org/ i guess | 11:56 |
| Stygia | zibri, Hmm right. | 11:57 |
| Stygia | ant_work, So.... what do you recommend? | 11:57 |
| Stygia | And does anyone here know if bb handles UTF8 properly, or if there are confirmed issues? | 11:57 |
| ant_work | try a test msg | 11:57 |
| ant_work | I'm pretty sure most keep finger off utf8 | 11:58 |
| ant_work | cowardly | 11:58 |
| Stygia | ant_work, Hmm what was it again... bb_something? For a print statement? | 11:58 |
| ant_work | bb.note ? | 11:59 |
| Stygia | ant_work, I don't think so, If I wanted to print some UTF8 chars in a do_install_prepend? | 11:59 |
| Stygia | ant_work, is bb.note a function? Doesn't look like it to me from naming. | 11:59 |
| zibri | `grep --include '*.inc' --include '*.bb' -r '[ßåäöÅÄÖÆæØø]' meta` doesn't give a single hit :( | 11:59 |
| ant_work | even Angstrom gave up | 11:59 |
| ant_work | ;) | 11:59 |
| Stygia | Now I wonder if it's Angstrøm, Angström, or what. :P | 12:00 |
| ant_work | but we like pioneers :) | 12:00 |
| zibri | stygia: it's a python function, but you can use bbnote | 12:00 |
| zibri | bbnote from shell fragments, that is | 12:00 |
| Stygia | zibri, bbnote ah right, so bbnote "æøå" | 12:00 |
| zibri | stygia: a combination of both btw, Ångström :) | 12:02 |
| Stygia | zibri, Hah, fair enough. | 12:02 |
| Stygia | zibri, So that'd be... Norwegian or Icelandic, then. | 12:02 |
| zibri | swedish. | 12:02 |
| Stygia | Once again I'm guessing icelandic, AFAIK the Norwegians. | 12:02 |
| Stygia | zibri, Huh. Swedes use Å? Weird. :P | 12:02 |
| zibri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Jonas_Ångström :) | 12:03 |
| seebs | I should take more vacations, I came back to find that apparently someone finally figured out the mysterious and sporadic failures of PSEUDO_UNLOAD to work on some systems. Probably. | 12:03 |
| Stygia | zibri, Oh I believe you, I just thought Æ Ø Å was for us Danes and the Norwegians. | 12:03 |
| seebs | ... Of course, now I don't know why it ever *did* work. | 12:03 |
| Stygia | And then I thought that the Swedish used Â Ô and à | 12:03 |
| Stygia | Or something like that. :P | 12:04 |
| zibri | stygia: heh, the link was more "this guy is cool" | 12:04 |
| zibri | stygia: heh, that looks more like charset issues ;) | 12:04 |
| Stygia | zibri, Ah cool, I thought he was a CPAN contributer. :P | 12:04 |
| Stygia | But then, AFAIK, I do remember correctly - Modern swedes probably don't use Å. | 12:05 |
| zibri | uhm. yeah we do :) | 12:05 |
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| Stygia | zibri, Huh alright. | 12:06 |
| zibri | or maybe i'm just not modern enough :( | 12:06 |
| Stygia | zibri, Well fair enough! I just thought you used the variants with dots and lines and such, that's what I normally see in Swedish writings. :) | 12:06 |
| Stygia | zibri, But I'm thinking you as a Swede probably know better. :P | 12:07 |
| Stygia | I'd hope so anyway. | 12:08 |
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| vicky_ | How to add meta-oe to yocto? | 13:00 |
| vicky_ | Anyone succedded before? | 13:01 |
| cfo215 | vicky_, did you add it to your bblayers.conf? | 13:02 |
| vicky_ | I have a question. Will meta-oeconflict the meta of yocto ? | 13:02 |
| vicky_ | yes i added | 13:02 |
| vicky_ | but i am facing a parse error of " No receipe for busybox" | 13:02 |
| Crofton|work | it shouldn't | 13:03 |
| vicky_ | I afraid of my image will corrupt because of this? | 13:03 |
| cfo215 | try changing the order in bblayers.conf | 13:03 |
| eren | vicky_: I had the same issue | 13:03 |
| Crofton|work | erbo, how did you fix it? | 13:03 |
| eren | I added meta-oe after poky layer definitions and got that error | 13:04 |
| bluelightning | vicky_: you need to match the branch of meta-oe to the branch of poky/OE-Core you are using | 13:04 |
| cfo215 | oh, yeah, forgot about that gotcha... it should be fresh in my memory. | 13:04 |
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| Crofton|work | I was wondering, since I think we have fixed the bbappend in master | 13:05 |
| vicky_ | k. | 13:05 |
| eren | what's the state of meta-raspberrypi btw? Has anyone tried that | 13:06 |
| vicky_ | Will it affect of my compiled image? | 13:06 |
| vicky_ | should i recompile again? | 13:07 |
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| zibri | hum... utils.bbclass' create_wrapper function creates an implicit bash dependency. i don't think that's intended. :-( | 13:10 |
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| RP | zibri: isn't that only used on the build system binaries? | 13:22 |
| cfo215 | I need a working toolchain that supports Qt 4.x on a beaglebone black, anyone have any recommendations? | 13:23 |
| Stygia | zibri, hmm. You said that you also have the issue with mails timing out due you our ISP's being idiotic. I'm using a VPN in the UK and I still have the same issue. How on earth do you actually submit patches? | 13:23 |
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| zibri | rp: we have an issue where depending on flex causes "Can't install flex-2.5.37-r0@mipsel_nf: no package provides /bin/bash" from smart | 13:24 |
| zibri | flex is pulled in to target by depending on libpam it seems :/ | 13:25 |
| zibri | stygia: either my mailing via a relay host (the isps usually provide these) or mailing from somewhere without this restriction. | 13:26 |
| RP | zibri: does the target system need the wrapper? | 13:26 |
| RP | usually its only for native | 13:26 |
| zibri | not sure. it sets $M4 to ${bindir}/m4, i suspect not | 13:27 |
| bluelightning | vicky_: shouldn't be needed | 13:27 |
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| cfo215 | also having problems with 'lld' command: http://pastebin.com/Lf2xhCPt when trying to examine executable. | 13:29 |
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| RP | zibri: I'd suggest we make it native only | 14:09 |
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| RP | native and nativesdk | 14:09 |
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| ant_work | RP: any better way to install -klcc-cross besides -gcc-cross? http://tinyurl.com/o3wew4b | 14:13 |
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| Stygia | zibri, Hey did you reply to me earlier? I fear my client timed out or something because there's a huge gap in talk on all channels. | 14:20 |
| RP | ant_work: what is wrong atm? | 14:20 |
| ant_work | iirc there is an hardcoded path to sysroot in the package | 14:22 |
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| ant_work | well, sorry, there isn't any package | 14:22 |
| ant_work | it is just installed in sysroot | 14:23 |
| ant_work | as build dependency | 14:23 |
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| zibri | 15:26:13 < zibri> stygia: either my mailing via a relay host (the isps usually provide these) or mailing from somewhere without this restriction. | 14:25 |
| zibri | stygia: --^ | 14:25 |
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| Stygia | zibri, Ah damn, nope I didn't get that. Suppose I could disconnect before I switch around between VPN's, heh. | 14:26 |
| ant_work | RP: basically any recipe inheriting klibc.bbclass -> DEPENDS =+ "klcc-cross" | 14:26 |
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| ant_work | RP: feel free to abuse of the recipe to squash out unforgivable bugs like the sstate symlinks last time ;) | 14:27 |
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| Stygia | zibri, And hmm right, I'm trying to set that up with my mail provider, but no luck... and seems like nobody replies to me at #postfix, #debian, #linux or really anywhere. I was afraid I'd been hellbanned or something. | 14:35 |
| Stygia | I don't think I'm nearly annoying enough to warrant that, though. I hope. | 14:35 |
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| eren | Stygia: what's the problem with mails? | 14:37 |
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| eren | I've set up a few generic mail servers, maybe I could help | 14:38 |
| Stygia | eren, Well. My ISP blocks port 25. I am trying to set up a relayhost with my mail provider, but it complains about TLS, although the main.cf file for postfix shows it as enabled and lists pem and cert files. | 14:38 |
| Stygia | eren, That'd be awesome. This is preventing me from posting patches. :/ | 14:38 |
| Stygia | Basically, I'm using postfix. git send-email ends up timing out, that's what I see in postqueue -p | 14:38 |
| Stygia | So I tried to set relayhost = [mail.provider.com]:587 and list the login info in /etc/ postfix/relay_passwd as per several tutorials online. | 14:39 |
| Stygia | But postqueue -p just shows "SASL authentication failed; server mail.PROVIDER.com[54.229.118.53] said: 538 auth not available without TLS " | 14:40 |
| Stygia | ldd on /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd shows it links to ssl and crypto, so it's compiled in. | 14:40 |
| Stygia | Config: http://pastebin.com/E13m9ayy, mail.log: http://pastebin.com/9fHasB2i, mail.info: http://pastebin.com/e4qU27RA, syslog: http://pastebin.com/PgLVbPg1(mail.err has nothing relevant - only my syntax errors) | 14:41 |
| eren | Stygia: oh, why do you need a mail server in the first place if you have a mail account from another provider? | 14:41 |
| Stygia | eren, How do you mean? I'm not trying to set up a server. | 14:41 |
| Stygia | eren, I just want to send emails with git send-email. Using postfix, I get errors. So as far as I could read I need to use a relay. | 14:41 |
| eren | Stygia: git send-email has option for setting up smtp account | 14:42 |
| Stygia | eren, If I'm not making sense I probably misunderstood something somewhere. | 14:42 |
| eren | Stygia: http://morefedora.blogspot.de/2009/02/configuring-git-send-email-to-use-gmail.html | 14:43 |
| eren | Stygia: change the smtp server information with your provider | 14:43 |
| eren | you probably know it | 14:43 |
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| eren | when you set git configuration, git send-email will ask your password to log into your smtp server | 14:43 |
| eren | in this case, your mail account | 14:43 |
| eren | since you have "mail.provider.com", git send-mail will connect to your provider and send it :) | 14:44 |
| eren | you do not need a mail server to relay mails | 14:44 |
| Stygia | eren, Hah. Well... that works. :) | 14:48 |
| Stygia | eren, Awesome. I was doing something wrong all along, then. | 14:48 |
| Stygia | There's a patch for you all! | 14:48 |
| Stygia | And heh... | 14:49 |
| Stygia | Patch spam incoming. | 14:49 |
| eren | Stygia: no problem :) | 14:50 |
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| zeddii | YPTM: Bruce is on the call. | 15:05 |
| Song_Liu | YPTM: Any opens? | 15:05 |
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| RP | Someone's small child has an open? | 15:06 |
| BSDCat | sorry, thought I'd already muted | 15:06 |
| bluelightning | we do welcome all contributions ;) | 15:06 |
| RP | BSDCat: (there was a ;-) implied there btw) | 15:06 |
| AlexG | :)) | 15:06 |
| RP | in case that wasn't clear | 15:06 |
| BSDCat | :-) | 15:07 |
| mihai | hm, YP on Lego | 15:07 |
| AlexG | mihai: :)) | 15:07 |
| eren | YPTM: Eren is here | 15:07 |
| AlexG | YPTM: 1.5 M4_rc2 qa report is not ready yet, but the current status can be found on https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/1.5_QA_Status | 15:08 |
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| eren | ops? | 15:09 |
| eren | no | 15:09 |
| eren | interference? :) | 15:09 |
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| sgw_ | YPTM: Please mute your phones | 15:09 |
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| zeddii | maybe the alien *is* talking! | 15:11 |
| Crofton|work | probably the guy at the NSA forgot to mute | 15:12 |
| * zeddii nods | 15:12 | |
| mihai | using advanced audio compression | 15:12 |
| eren | any more information about security layer and related things? | 15:15 |
| davest | YPTM: I suspect someone *is* trying to talk but it's coming out garbled | 15:17 |
| davest | YPTM: probably a soft phone clipping packets like crazy | 15:17 |
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| sgw_ | seebs: you back? | 15:36 |
| halstead | RP, An improvement of 750x. Nice! | 15:36 |
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| seebs | Somewhat back. Although the insomnia bug bit, so I'm pretty useless today. | 15:37 |
| seebs | I did notice that someone finally found that !@#*!# pseudo bug. | 15:37 |
| sgw_ | seebs: Ok, there was a patch to pseudo offered up just after you left. | 15:38 |
| sgw_ | seebs: yes that's the one, it's pending your review. | 15:38 |
| seebs | Oh, hey. I betcha that's pabigot, who's in-channel. | 15:38 |
| sgw_ | seebs: yup | 15:38 |
| pabigot | yep. looking forward to the official patch ;-) | 15:38 |
| seebs | I was just writing a response to it. Long-story short: I think we should adopt the given patch for now, and I am waffling as to what to do in the longer-term. | 15:38 |
| rburton | hooray pabigot | 15:39 |
| seebs | There is an interesting theoretical question. | 15:39 |
| seebs | Oh, and pabigot, this makes you I think the second person ever to find a bug in pseudo before I found it. :) | 15:39 |
| seebs | (Curious coincidence: You're "Peter A.", I'm "A. Peter". And computers and such being what they are, at least some computers record my name as "Peter A." | 15:40 |
| seebs | ) | 15:40 |
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| seebs | ... aaand it appears that my work laptop has rejected the notion of network access. So I can't actually cause that message to be sent. | 15:43 |
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| kergoth | gah, why are my -natives rebuilding, noooo | 15:45 |
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| seebs | Huh. I managed to update the bug, but the outgoing email got et. | 15:45 |
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| Song_Liu | YPTM: thank you all for joining the call. Have a nice day/evening! | 15:46 |
| seebs | kergoth: I have had great results from saying "stop it bitbake go home you are drunk". I mean, it doesn't really help, but it makes me feel better. | 15:46 |
| kergoth | hehe | 15:46 |
| seebs | huh | 15:46 |
| bluelightning | kergoth: bitbake-diffsigs -t ... | 15:46 |
| seebs | fray, if you have access to the WR network, please pass on that I don't. I expect to get that fixed eventually... | 15:47 |
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| zibri | stygia: hum... a lot of the recipes you posted are core actually :/ | 16:00 |
| zibri | (i'm assuming you're emil; right?) | 16:01 |
| Stygia | zibri, Correct. | 16:03 |
| Stygia | zibri, And hmm right. But hey, I have plenty that aren't. | 16:03 |
| zibri | :) | 16:03 |
| Stygia | zibri, And that other guy said I can use corelist to check from now on... so I will. | 16:03 |
| Stygia | zibri, Heh I hope... I have 100+ recipes. :P | 16:03 |
| Stygia | They can't all be core. Or even mostly. | 16:03 |
| zibri | that other guy is me :) | 16:03 |
| Stygia | Hah, alright. | 16:03 |
| Stygia | Well alright. No more patches without corelist! Don't worry. | 16:04 |
| zibri | i would also recommend looking at sending your patches as a series of patches. | 16:04 |
| Stygia | Maybe I screw up but at least I try to learn when I do. | 16:04 |
| Stygia | zibri, How'd you mean? | 16:04 |
| Stygia | zibri, Maybe I should just go read some docs on git, heh.. :) | 16:04 |
| zibri | stygia: heh... everybody makes mistakes :) | 16:04 |
| zibri | stygia: you can see other patches being sent as e.g. "[PATCH 12/20] ..." | 16:05 |
| zibri | where each patch in the series belongs to the same thread for mail clients supporting that | 16:05 |
| Stygia | zibri, Aah. So that's what I do to send a serious, just add X/total? | 16:05 |
| Stygia | *series | 16:06 |
| Stygia | zibri, AFK for a bit, sloppy burger. | 16:06 |
| zibri | actually git format-patch supports that, and makes sure to set the correct mail headers as well | 16:06 |
| bluelightning | (and by extension, git send-email as well) | 16:06 |
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| rburton | seebs: ah that good old "how can this fail?" -> "how can this work?!" transform | 16:16 |
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| seebs | Yeah. | 16:17 |
| seebs | My favorite is when, the moment I *understand* why the code can't ever work, it stops working even in cases previously known to work. | 16:17 |
| seebs | ... | 16:17 |
| rburton | several options then: 1) drinking 2) tableflip 3) go home, try again tomorrow | 16:18 |
| seebs | Apropos of nothing in particular, I note that it appears that the VPN on my work laptop has never been set up correctly, and that the reason I can't access anything is that it's never worked. I don't think I've touched that config in maybe six months except to update passwords when they expire. | 16:18 |
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| lpapp | hi, is it possible with opkg to have signed packages? | 16:30 |
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| fray | not as far as I know | 16:31 |
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| fray | RPM is the only packaging format that YP supports that has signed package capabilities | 16:31 |
| lpapp | hmm, that is bad for secure embedded projects. | 16:34 |
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| lpapp | oh, btw, debian does not support signing through _foo | 16:34 |
| lpapp | does support* | 16:34 |
| bluelightning | erm | 16:34 |
| lpapp | but not more conveniently than that. | 16:35 |
| lpapp | like we did for Harmattan. | 16:35 |
| bluelightning | I seem to recall that opkg does have some kind of GPG support | 16:35 |
| bluelightning | I have never used it though | 16:35 |
| lpapp | I think security is inevitable nowadays. | 16:35 |
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| lpapp | if opkg does not support it, it is out of the question with people secure embedded needs. | 16:35 |
| lpapp | having* | 16:35 |
| rburton | correct | 16:36 |
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| lpapp | correct refers to? | 16:36 |
| bluelightning | package-level security is only relevant if you actually use packages in your target system | 16:36 |
| lpapp | sure, we do. | 16:36 |
| bluelightning | which many don't | 16:36 |
| lpapp | erm, I would argue about that | 16:36 |
| lpapp | how else would you ship software update? | 16:36 |
| lpapp | reflashing everything? | 16:36 |
| rburton | basically, yes | 16:36 |
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| lpapp | now that is which "many don't" | 16:37 |
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| rburton | and many do. there are two approaches. neither is "right". | 16:37 |
| lpapp | I do not see the "many do" | 16:37 |
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| JaMa | lpapp: something like http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/opkg-devel/2008-May/000063.html ? | 16:38 |
| fray | the customers I am familiar with primarily reflash images for upgrades.. some do packages, but it's still fairly rare. Those that do packages (and need them signed) almost always use RPM | 16:38 |
| lpapp | in fact all my app store stuff etc on the phones update the software at hand, not the whole device firmware. | 16:38 |
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| lpapp | upgrading the firmware when you do not actually touch the firmware, just an end software... well, that is bizarr. | 16:38 |
| rburton | lpapp: its just a different use case, nothing to argue over | 16:38 |
| fray | Number of devices - big, number of devices that do upgrades - small, number of devices that do 'package' or 'file' upgrades - miniscule | 16:38 |
| lpapp | JaMa: yeah, that, or X509 | 16:39 |
| lpapp | PKCS, etc | 16:39 |
| lpapp | local signature, and all those. | 16:39 |
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| lpapp | rburton: different use case? | 16:39 |
| lpapp | we are discussing one use case. | 16:39 |
| lpapp | updating a software, not a firmware. | 16:39 |
| lpapp | JaMa: docs? | 16:41 |
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| rburton | JaMa: ha, you'd think i'd remember that work | 16:42 |
| lpapp | JaMa: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2013-April/071129.html | 16:42 |
| lpapp | no one seems to care about the changes. :( | 16:42 |
| JaMa | Paul Barker maintains opkg now | 16:43 |
| JaMa | try asking him | 16:43 |
| lpapp | does he use irc? | 16:43 |
| JaMa | you can use ML (opkg-devel@googlegroups.com) maybe someone else will reply or be also interested in it | 16:44 |
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| lpapp | what would you say if someone asked why it is worth switching to dylan from denzil and whether it is worth it at all? Are there significant improvements in dylan other than few recipe updates? | 16:47 |
| lpapp | I heard that there minor buildsystem performance improvements, but nothing major. | 16:48 |
| lpapp | are* | 16:48 |
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| bluelightning | systemd integration and read-only-rootfs enhancements spring to mind | 16:52 |
| lpapp | what is read-only-rootfs enchancements? | 16:53 |
| lpapp | also, why is systemd a significant improvement? | 16:53 |
| bluelightning | well, assuming you care about systemd that is | 16:56 |
| lpapp | I do not. | 16:56 |
| lpapp | what is good about systemd? | 16:56 |
| lpapp | so* | 16:56 |
| bluelightning | it's now possible to boot with your rootfs mounted read-only, previously that wasn't supported out of the box | 16:56 |
| bluelightning | again, something dependent on your use case | 16:57 |
| lpapp | what do you mean it was not supported out of the box... we have been using ro for ages with denzil | 16:57 |
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| bluelightning | we made quite a number of changes to allow postinstall scripts to run during do_rootfs where previously they would have to run on first boot | 16:58 |
| rburton | in a minimal build it may have worked previously, not sato will work with a ro rootfs | 16:59 |
| rburton | s/not/now/ | 17:00 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: good for you, but for a lot of the cases we tested, things just broke because they assumed it was OK to write to places in the rootfs | 17:00 |
| lpapp | right, so nothing for us in there. | 17:00 |
| lpapp | then it is probably not worth switching to dylan altogether. | 17:00 |
| lpapp | I mean I do not see huge benefits for us. | 17:01 |
| rburton | sure | 17:01 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: being on something currently maintained isn't of value to you? | 17:01 |
| lpapp | bluelightning: is not. | 17:01 |
| bluelightning | ok then | 17:01 |
| lpapp | in fact it is more dangereous as it is not stable. | 17:02 |
| lpapp | not as stable as an older version. | 17:02 |
| bluelightning | that is simply untrue | 17:02 |
| lpapp | sure, it is true. | 17:02 |
| bluelightning | I strongly disagree | 17:03 |
| lpapp | that does not make the fact untrue. | 17:04 |
| bluelightning | that you assert it does not make it true either | 17:04 |
| lpapp | sure, it does. | 17:04 |
| lpapp | I believe we have tested our software more than you with this stack. | 17:04 |
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| bluelightning | the regular tests we perform coupled with the fact that many users are able to use dylan as a base for their current development is indicative enough to me that it is stable | 17:07 |
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| lpapp | I fail to see how many unrelated users to us should be a factor for our testing and results. | 17:07 |
| lpapp | again, you are trying to comment out of your scope. | 17:08 |
| bluelightning | if you want anecdotal evidence, it exists | 17:08 |
| lpapp | just like I would not comment for others. | 17:08 |
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| bluelightning | if you care not for it, by all means continue not to care | 17:08 |
| BSDCat | lpapp: sure you do | 17:08 |
| lpapp | correct, I do not care about unrelated stuff. | 17:08 |
| eren | what's the typical use of ro rootfs? The first one seems to "just boot and never write" so that the flash/cf/card whatever medium lasts longer? | 17:09 |
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| fray | demos, systems that you want to boot and "refresh from blank" on reboot.. | 17:10 |
| fray | stable 'upgrade' system images.. and and you said.. keep destructive media from dieing | 17:10 |
| Jefro | ro rootfs is common in embedded systems that need to be precisely the same at every new boot | 17:11 |
| fray | (RO is often faster to boot.. not always though) | 17:11 |
| lpapp | eren: we use that for safety. | 17:11 |
| lpapp | eren: end users cannot mess up | 17:11 |
| mr_science | and keep users from mucking things up... | 17:11 |
| lpapp | eren: or we cannot mess up either for demos. | 17:11 |
| eren | thanks | 17:11 |
| lpapp | eren: or for systems which are simply not meant to be writable. | 17:11 |
| fray | a lot of systems I've worked on have a large flash (set RO at boot).. with a specialized / serial / protected write mechanism for user data, settigns, etc.. but any temp files, etc should be wiped at power off | 17:12 |
| lpapp | I like the idea except when it comes to updating software on the fly. | 17:12 |
| fray | many of the systems I'm familiar with are dual partition.. bootloader remembers that last booted partition.. | 17:13 |
| fray | and you field upgrade the "other" partition, from the one you have booted.. then switch | 17:13 |
| lpapp | I think what would be interesting is semi-ro rootfs. | 17:14 |
| lpapp | i.e. the vendor can update it. | 17:14 |
| eren | fray: good way to update the system | 17:14 |
| fray | RO boot / RW app partition isn't that unusual in many places either | 17:14 |
| fray | that way if the app partition dies.. they can just clear it and the device keeps working | 17:14 |
| fray | it's 'inconvienent' but hopefully prevents a brick | 17:15 |
| lpapp | I am not sure that is a good way | 17:15 |
| lpapp | that still does not protect against vendor privileges and caps issues. | 17:15 |
| lpapp | I mean a user can just upgrade the software than on the writable. | 17:15 |
| lpapp | I would rather see one ro rootfs which is updatable by the vendor; hint, security mechanism, but not selinux. | 17:15 |
| fray | RW is from the system perspective.. the user can -never- log into the device w/o directly hacking it.. then all bets are off anyway | 17:16 |
| lpapp | now, that is called poor security | 17:16 |
| lpapp | and exactly the reason behind basics rooting, like how the kernel.org was compromised. | 17:17 |
| fray | consumer devices are more likely to have a RW.. since the life span of the device is much more limited (couple of years planned life) vs automotive which is almost always RO w/ monitoring settings, data store and apps.. (expected life is 17-20 years) | 17:17 |
| fray | if I hand someone with the ability and tools to hack a device, I don't care how security it is.. it'll fall.. | 17:17 |
| lpapp | user can "never" log into the device.... | 17:18 |
| lpapp | 1) It is easy to hack | 17:18 |
| fray | the question is how do you prevent un-intended intrusions, how do you detect customer intrusions and do the 'right' thing.. (invalidate support, invalidate specific functionality, etc..) | 17:18 |
| lpapp | 2) Even if it was not, it is easy to install apps from app store, website, etc. | 17:18 |
| lpapp | fray: by a security framework. | 17:18 |
| lpapp | what we did for Harmattan, for instance. | 17:19 |
| lpapp | swapping partitions will not increase the complexity for intrusion, unfortunately. | 17:20 |
| lpapp | it still remains the same complexity, how to defend that partition. | 17:20 |
| fray | swapping partitions has nothing to do w/ security.. | 17:20 |
| fray | it has to do with field upgrade reliability.. | 17:20 |
| fray | if one partition is mangled, you have another to fall back to | 17:20 |
| lpapp | well, that is the whole point of rootfs for many. | 17:20 |
| lpapp | ro* | 17:20 |
| lpapp | safety and security. | 17:20 |
| fray | RO is only a piece of the reliability, safety, security, etc.. you have to design the system as a whole to meet the objectives you have.. | 17:21 |
| fray | if the device is never internet connected, and isn't life critical.. then it can horribly insecure and it doesn't matter.. | 17:21 |
| lpapp | and I am saying, wapping will not help there much. | 17:21 |
| lpapp | s+ | 17:21 |
| fray | if the device has a 17-20 year projected life span, you need to make explicit hardware and software designs to meet that objective.. | 17:21 |
| fray | and there are a huge range of devices between that | 17:21 |
| lpapp | if it was 2010-2011, I would say libsmack could be integrated into some recipes-security or so | 17:22 |
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| walters | anyone built successfully from a Fedora 19 host? I have someone who's using it as a host, and the rpmbuild in the sysroot is segfaulting building gcc-native looks like: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/36792/13782287/ | 17:23 |
| lpapp | walters: master? | 17:24 |
| lpapp | gcc 4.8? | 17:24 |
| walters | lpapp: dylan | 17:24 |
| lpapp | it was fixed for arch a while ago in master... unfortunately was not released. | 17:24 |
| walters | lpapp: yeah gcc 4.8 on the host | 17:24 |
| lpapp | there you go | 17:24 |
| lpapp | backport the patch or use master | 17:24 |
| walters | master of...oe-core? gcc? | 17:24 |
| lpapp | poky | 17:24 |
| fray | if I had to guess, something is wrong w/ the sse2 optimized strlen.. but I'd need to actually see the code that failed.. | 17:25 |
| lpapp | fray: already solved issue. :-) | 17:25 |
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| fray | I'm not sure I have dylan easily avaialble | 17:25 |
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| fray | the line is question: | 17:26 |
| fray | length += strlen(*av++) + 1; | 17:26 |
| fray | const char ** av = (*p).argv; | 17:26 |
| fray | while (count--) { | 17:26 |
| fray | /* add one for null termination */ | 17:26 |
| fray | length += strlen(*av++) + 1; | 17:26 |
| fray | thats the whole code block.. | 17:26 |
| fray | anyway.. it does look glibc related to me | 17:26 |
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| lpapp | fray: if you wanna think about a resolved issue like that, please use pastebin, like paste.kde.org. | 17:27 |
| Jasper | walters, can you point me to an upstream bug so I can CC? | 17:27 |
| walters | lpapp: hmm...which recipe did the patch modify? | 17:29 |
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| lpapp | walters: I would also google ... ;-) | 17:30 |
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| lpapp | walters: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?h=dylan&id=950f2e453a2bd31764e99eb09154768e0c5049a4 | 17:31 |
| lpapp | made it for you. | 17:31 |
| walters | i found that when searching the git log, but that seemed to be about gcc building gcc | 17:31 |
| lpapp | walters: yes, which is what you need. | 17:32 |
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| walters | not sure how i would have known that -faggressive-loop-optimizations was also the source of the miscompiled rpmbuild code just from that | 17:32 |
| lpapp | I would suggest master for F19 | 17:32 |
| lpapp | it is unsupported | 17:32 |
| lpapp | and fixes might go in, but dylan was not a that great release for unsupported distributions. | 17:32 |
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| * lpapp wonders why this continuously recurring issues are not among the known issues for the given platform | 17:33 | |
| lpapp | these* | 17:33 |
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| zibri | rp: btw, i've made a patch for the flex do_install_append, just verifying it... will send it tomorrow. hope i understood you correctly :) | 17:56 |
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| JaMa | rburton: Re: x11vnc: Add PACKAGECONFIG for xfixes, xinerama, xrandr and xdamage, making them enabled by default is enough, right? | 18:26 |
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| rburton | JaMa: yeah, although a vnc server without fixes+damage is a suboptimal server | 18:49 |
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| JaMa | rburton: ok | 18:50 |
| JaMa | fixed in branch | 18:51 |
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| JaMa | rburton: script only compares RDEPENDS in package built after world and in clean tmpdir | 18:55 |
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| JaMa | rburton: so if it was showing autoenabled connman dependency it had to be linking with something provided by connman package | 18:56 |
| rburton | but the .pc doesn't link against anything... | 18:56 |
| JaMa | rburton: hmm looks like I've added connman just for completeness after reading configure.ac | 18:57 |
| JaMa | WARN: packages/armv5te-oe-linux-gnueabi/telepathy-mission-control/telepathy-mission-control/latest lost dependency on libnmglib upower | 18:58 |
| rburton | makes sense | 18:58 |
| rburton | oddly upstream fixed this today | 18:59 |
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| JaMa | hehe | 19:00 |
| Jasper | so why do you guys use rpm5? | 19:01 |
| * JaMa doesn't | 19:01 | |
| rburton | Jasper: last time i asked that the response was "i think it had to do with recommends, that rpm4 didn't/doesn't support" | 19:01 |
| rburton | Jasper: then again that was an idle curiousity because i also don't use rpm | 19:01 |
| Jasper | nothing else in the world uses rpm5 though | 19:02 |
| Jasper | lpapp, btw, -O0 didn't fix the rpmbuild crash | 19:02 |
| Jasper | rpm5 is effectively unmaintained. | 19:04 |
| bluelightning | Jasper: that is not true, jbj and others are maintaining it | 19:04 |
| Jasper | I haven't seen jbj do anything in years, though. | 19:04 |
| lpapp | Jasper: not sure what you mean. | 19:07 |
| Jasper | lpapp, after I recompiled rpmbuild with -O0, it still segfaulted when trying to run somewhere | 19:07 |
| lpapp | Jasper: sorry, but why are you telling this to me? | 19:08 |
| walters | Jasper: we could theoretically switch to dpkg; in the end it's just temporary data that gets put into an ostree repo, the packages are discarded | 19:08 |
| Jasper | lpapp, because I thought you were the one telling walters about the gcc bug above | 19:08 |
| Jasper | yeah, I suppose that works | 19:08 |
| lpapp | Jasper: yes, apply the patch or use master. | 19:09 |
| Jasper | lpapp, but I did -O0 -- shouldn't that also stop it from applying the broken optimization? | 19:09 |
| lpapp | I have no idea what -O0 means in this context. | 19:10 |
| lpapp | why don't you just follow the recommendation | 19:10 |
| rburton | walters: use opkg, its the one true way ;) | 19:10 |
| seebs | Compiler options won't retroactively change the C library; if you're linking against a host C library which has a bug you can trigger, changing compiler options will rarely affect that. | 19:11 |
| rburton | walters: (dpkg is the least maintained backend, but considering you don't actually use packages on the target, why do you care?) | 19:11 |
| Jasper | We care because I can't manage to compile yocto -- rpmbuild keeps segfaulting. | 19:11 |
| rburton | that's a good reason! | 19:12 |
| lpapp | Jasper: I think the first thing to do is follow suggestions. | 19:12 |
| Jasper | Apparently it was due to a bug in gcc 4.8, but even when I compile rpmbuild with -O0, it still happens. | 19:12 |
| Jasper | lpapp, walters suggested to me to use -O0 | 19:12 |
| Jasper | That's the suggestion I followed. What suggestion do you have? | 19:12 |
| lpapp | what I wrote to him to do. :) | 19:12 |
| lpapp | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?h=dylan&id=950f2e453a2bd31764e99eb09154768e0c5049a4 | 19:12 |
| lpapp | if that does not solve either, you may need more changes from master. | 19:13 |
| Jasper | lpapp, but why should that matter if I'm compiling rpmbuild with -O0? | 19:13 |
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| lpapp | Arch is pioneer in making other ancient distros' life easier at upgrade. | 19:13 |
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| lpapp | Jasper: do not ask, just do. :) | 19:13 |
| lpapp | Jasper: smarter people than us already went through this... | 19:14 |
| Jasper | lpapp, OK, so how do I do? | 19:14 |
| lpapp | as I wrote several times, you can apply it or use master. | 19:14 |
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| Jasper | master of what? poky? | 19:14 |
| lpapp | as I wrote that, too, yes. | 19:15 |
| Jasper | Keep in mind I'm not using poky from upstream, I'm using walters's fork of it. | 19:15 |
| lpapp | well good luck with that, then. | 19:15 |
| Jasper | Thanks! | 19:15 |
| lpapp | and ask walters about issues. | 19:16 |
| Jasper | I have been. | 19:16 |
| lpapp | no, you were telling me stuff | 19:16 |
| lpapp | do not tell me about a fork. :D | 19:16 |
| lpapp | as I have no idea what that contains, etc. | 19:16 |
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| Jasper | lpapp, https://github.com/cgwalters/poky | 19:17 |
| Jasper | actually, should probably point you to the correct branch: https://github.com/cgwalters/poky/tree/gnomeostree-3.10-dylan | 19:17 |
| lpapp | Jasper: why are you sending this to me when I asked not to? | 19:17 |
| rburton | walters: dylan? pah. it's all about dora now, keep up! | 19:18 |
| walters | Jasper: just for fun we could backport that patch...but i don't believe it will help | 19:18 |
| rburton | walters: switch to opkg, you'll get faster builds | 19:19 |
| rburton | (as well as it not segfaulting) | 19:19 |
| lpapp | rpm does not segfault for me. | 19:20 |
| rburton | hm, actually, i think you still need to build rpm then, for the dep tools | 19:20 |
| lpapp | (and likely arch is even newer than F19) | 19:20 |
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| otavio | RP: yocot-1.4.2 <= typo in the tag | 19:26 |
| otavio | bluelightning: ^ | 19:26 |
| mranostay | doh | 19:26 |
| sgw_ | pidge: ^^ | 19:26 |
| otavio | ;-) | 19:27 |
| otavio | mario-goulart: thx by warn us :) sgw_ mario-goulart noticed and pinged me about it | 19:27 |
| mranostay | heh at least you can delete tags :) | 19:27 |
| mario-goulart | :-) | 19:27 |
| sgw_ | thanks guys! | 19:27 |
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| eren` | JaMa: yeah, I saw the e-mail :) | 19:29 |
| eren` | oh, gotta go | 19:31 |
| eren` | see you tomorrow! | 19:31 |
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| walters | fray, lpapp: I think we found it: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2966396 | 19:47 |
| walters | rburton: unfortunately rebasing is quite painful for me because of the highly custom deployment backend | 19:48 |
| walters | on the positive side, i'm not shipping lots of little untested blobs with shell scripts run as root attached to client machines | 19:48 |
| fray | I'm really curious if that truely is undefined behavior | 19:51 |
| otavio | walters: it'd be good if it could be a separated layer instead of a fork | 19:54 |
| otavio | walters: so it'd allow for easy reuse of code and updating against new Yocto releases | 19:54 |
| walters | otavio: i know, i'd love to be there | 19:54 |
| otavio | lol | 19:54 |
| fray | I'm still thinking this is a gcc bug | 19:56 |
| fray | should be an easy enough reproducer | 19:56 |
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| seebs | Since when is underflowing an unsigned integer undefined behavior? *signed* can blow up on overflow, but unsigned are pretty safe. | 20:07 |
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| seebs | If count has an integer type, and it's starting out non-negative, "while (count--) {...}" should execute {...} count times, and leave count set to -1 (if signed) or FOO_MAX (if unsigned). Pretty sure that's well-defined. | 20:10 |
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| eren | it seems like we have an UTF-8 problem in mailman :( | 20:17 |
| eren | my fullname is not displayed correctly on the list archives | 20:17 |
| lpapp | walters: you are using a fork... | 20:21 |
| lpapp | walters: not sure anyone can comment much on it in here. | 20:21 |
| lpapp | eren: use ascii like me. | 20:21 |
| lpapp | the life has proven easier that way. | 20:22 |
| lpapp | for me, at least. | 20:22 |
| eren | lpapp: yocto archives are ok, there is a problem with oe lists | 20:23 |
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| lpapp | eren: you will have more problems here and there in the internet world, I am sure. | 20:25 |
| eren | lpapp: I am not quite sure abotu that :) | 20:26 |
| eren | about* | 20:26 |
| lpapp | you are just having issues with a simple mailing list. | 20:27 |
| lpapp | there are a lot more complex scenarios out there. | 20:27 |
| eren | lpapp: for example? | 20:27 |
| halstead | sgw_, pidge Going to start taking things offline now. | 20:28 |
| Jasper | walters, so, I'm wrong. Unsigned integer underflow is fully defined. | 20:28 |
| lpapp | eren: tons of sites. | 20:28 |
| walters | Jasper: yeah, i was reading about that too | 20:28 |
| lpapp | eren: anyway, why do you bother that much with it? It is not a biggie. | 20:29 |
| sgw_ | halstead: perfect timing, I just finished a download! | 20:29 |
| * sgw_ -> Everyone: Autobuilder, Mail, Downloads and Web services for the Yocto Project is going down for an hour or so, longer for the AutoBuilders. | 20:30 | |
| sgw_ | halstead: all yours! | 20:31 |
| halstead | sgw_, Thanks. | 20:31 |
| Jasper | walters, I ran ostbuild again and it's not segfaulting anymore. Guess I got a lucky break/ | 20:32 |
| Jasper | ? | 20:32 |
| lpapp | sgw_: thanks. | 20:32 |
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| walters | Jasper: hmm. | 20:35 |
| Jasper | WARNING: Failed to fetch URL http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bjam/boost_1_53_0.tar.bz2, attempting MIRRORS if available | 20:35 |
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| Jasper | seems "bjam" disappeared off the internet | 20:36 |
| mranostay | Jasper: i thought nothing disappears from the nets | 20:36 |
| Jasper | i love how we have three build tools building each other now | 20:37 |
| Jasper | ostbuild runs bitbake runs bjam | 20:37 |
| walters | hehe | 20:37 |
| walters | somehow in a chain of elaborate wrappers for make, value is generated | 20:37 |
| mranostay | Jasper: the big bang of build tools | 20:38 |
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| fray | heh value.. do you work for corporate marketing? :) | 20:40 |
| sgw_ | Jasper: any chance you have it in a local downloads? You managed to hit just as we took our mirror offline for an hour or so. | 20:41 |
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| halstead | mranostay, The move took longer than expected because the vlan setup changed between the racks and I needed to reconfigure the switches. | 23:44 |
| mranostay | abelloni: going to ELC? | 23:52 |
| abelloni | yeah | 23:55 |
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| abelloni | I'm not presenting anything though | 23:56 |
| mranostay | ndec: why are there two of you on G+? :) | 23:56 |
| abelloni | there were already enough people from Free Electrons talking ;) | 23:56 |
| mranostay | heh | 23:56 |
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| abelloni | I was quite disappointed to see that it is only two days this year | 23:59 |
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