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| mckoan | good morning | 08:04 |
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| bluelightning | morning all | 09:18 |
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| JaMa | morning | 09:28 |
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| volker | Some recipes (e.g. the ti-dsp-link) have problems with "out-of-tree" build directories. I had chosen the tmpdir to be at ${TOPDIR}../../build/tmp that leads to errors during build. When adding a python function that calls os.path.abspath on the TMPDIR those problems seem to be fixed, so I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to always run abspath on the tmpdir before starting building | 09:47 |
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| otavio | morning | 11:21 |
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| bluelightning | hi otavio | 11:27 |
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| LetoThe2nd | howdy! is there some documentation on the best practises concerning a project workflow and SCM? | 11:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | e.g., what do i best keep in my companys SCM, and what is considered throw-away on the developer machine? | 11:56 |
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| jackmitchell | LetoThe2nd: how do you mean, the best way (tm) is to push anything usefull upstream, and keep everything company specific in your own custom layer | 12:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | jackmitchell: sure, but i'm not yet sure of the totally pragmatic way how to SCM a sppecific product | 12:05 |
| jackmitchell | LetoThe2nd: if you mean how do you keep a specific yocto configuration, then the way I do it is to host a local.conf somewhere which everyone can download, then point them to the right versions of upstream layers, plus the company specific layer | 12:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | thats what i meant - just keep the local.conf, and have each developer again set up the layers for his own machine? | 12:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | sounds like pretty much could go wrong there. | 12:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | or rather use something ripped out of angstroms setupscripts? | 12:07 |
| jackmitchell | LetoThe2nd: indeed, that's why you usually have someone who controls the build, and dishes out SDK's to the developers | 12:07 |
| jackmitchell | you could use an automatic script like the Angstrom one sure | 12:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | hmhm | 12:08 |
| jackmitchell | unless your devs are doing build system changes, they don't need the buildsystem | 12:09 |
| jackmitchell | and if they are doing build system changes, they should really be able to manage downloading and setting up a few layers | 12:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | of course, but reproductibility is always important | 12:09 |
| jackmitchell | if you get the right commits, for all of the layers then it should be reproducable | 12:10 |
| kmacleod | LetoThe2nd, as I understand it (I'm in the same position as you, but haven't yet actually started), the "company layer" also goes in scm, separate from upstream | 12:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | kmacleod: thats obvious, yes. | 12:10 |
| jackmitchell | but you're never going to get it complete deterministic unless you use a single build machine | 12:10 |
| jackmitchell | ^^ that's probably a bit exaggerated, but on the whole every machine is slightly different | 12:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | yes of course, but basically anybody who needs to be a holiday repleacement or successor of the build system dev should be able to reproduce the functionality without hunting down layers, configs, and all that. | 12:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | IMHO that should be like a checkout - go. | 12:13 |
| jackmitchell | LetoThe2nd: in that case, write a small shell script, or use a custom git repo with submodules | 12:13 |
| jackmitchell | there is also a combo-layer script in oe-core which does something like that I believe | 12:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | hmhm | 12:14 |
| jackmitchell | combo-layer is used to build the yocto git repo with meta-yocto + oe-core etc... | 12:14 |
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| LetoThe2nd | will look it up, thanks | 12:15 |
| lpapp | hi, does one need to explicitly specify IMAGE_BOOTLOADER for a distro? It looks a bit strange at first, but I see something like that in distro config files. | 12:15 |
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| Stygia | Hey, does anyone here know the perl recipe intimately? | 13:19 |
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| Stygia | It seems to me that many core modules, f.x. Time::HiRes, even when RDEPEND'ed upon, does not provide all of the files it should. | 13:20 |
| Stygia | Such that I need a bbappend for perl that adds PM and .so files to FILES_${PN} for perl in order for core perl modules to work, even when RDEPEND'd upon. | 13:21 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: there aren't automatic dependencies between the core perl modules, no | 13:21 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, I don't understand what you mean. | 13:22 |
| Stygia | If I, say, depend upon perl-module-time-hires, HiRes.pm and .so aren't included, unless I manually append to the perl recipe. | 13:22 |
| Stygia | That'd strike me as a bug, that the perl recipe needs a FILES_${PN}-time-hires += "..." somewhere? | 13:22 |
| bluelightning | that sounds wrong to me yes | 13:23 |
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| Stygia | Hmm, okay. | 13:23 |
| Stygia | I'll test it, but I'm trying to clean up the recipes I have, so I can commit them without my fudgly perl bbappend. | 13:24 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: er, perl-module-time-hires contains HiRes.pm here | 13:24 |
| Stygia | Does it also contain auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so? | 13:24 |
| bluelightning | yep | 13:25 |
| bluelightning | http://pastebin.com/DFkuZSgY | 13:25 |
| Stygia | packages-split, of course, implying that it would be part of the image... | 13:26 |
| Stygia | Well, alright, weird. It must be something on our end, then. | 13:26 |
| Stygia | You have 5.14.3? | 13:26 |
| Stygia | Nevermind, I saw your pastebin, you do. | 13:26 |
| Stygia | PR=1 too. | 13:27 |
| Stygia | Well, okay, thanks bluelightning. I'll look into what's wrong on my end, but that at least implies I should be able to just sub in the core modules where necessary and it should work. | 13:28 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Been fighting a rrdtool recipe for a week, so pardon me for yet again being delayed in pushing those recipes. | 13:28 |
| lpapp | what does it mean IMAGE_FSTYPES += "tar.bz2"? | 13:29 |
| lpapp | what is a tar.bz2 filesystem? | 13:29 |
| lpapp | is that for backup? | 13:30 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Maybe you have some advice? The rrdtool recipe has --disable-perl as a EXTRA_OECONF flag, and I happen to need the perl binding. | 13:32 |
| Stygia | But the perl binding is in a separate Makefiel.PL, which gets called by make during do_compile (making tampering with the Makefile.PL and the makefile it generates difficult). | 13:33 |
| Stygia | After setting PERLCC and such, I finally got it to actually compile, but I am having trouble using it, at it fails in a way that - as far as I've found - implies improper versions of lbiraries, i.e. my perl binding from rrdtool and the CPAN module that calls it having different version of libraries. | 13:34 |
| Stygia | Now, I've copied the env variables from the cpan.bbclass and related recipes, to try and get a similar build environment, but I've been failing at this rather dramatically (And am now trying to build the perl debugger). | 13:34 |
| Stygia | In such a complex situation like this, any idea as how I fruitfully go about debugging it? It passes all the QA checks, so the correct arctitecture is used, and it's also using the same perl version. Further, I removed all HOST include paths and such, but still no luck. | 13:35 |
| Stygia | Although the module loads fine (i.e. can be 'use'd from perl), it fails once RRD::Simple (A CPAN module) tries to use RRDs.pm, which is provided by the rrdtool recipe once you remove --disable-perl | 13:35 |
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| Stygia | The actual error I get is "Bizarre copy of UNKNOWN In scalar assignment", but from what I've found this implies incompatible lib versions.. | 13:39 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: don't think I can help with that, sorry... | 13:43 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: it's just a bzip2-compressed tar archive of the filesystem | 13:43 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Quite fair. | 13:44 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Thanks for reading it, though, and for writing me back. :) | 13:44 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, On another note. I'm still seeing the issue with perl core modules not having their files follow along, as I added perl-module-term-readline to my -dev image, and don't see it's PM or so files. | 13:45 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: if you look in packages-split for perl are the files in there? | 13:45 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, So something is up, but it could be our end. Bit fishy, though, as this has been like this since pretty much day one of our perl + yocto workings. | 13:45 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Yes, they're in there for perl-5.14.3-r1, but not in the image. | 13:46 |
| lpapp | bluelightning: that is not a filesystem | 13:46 |
| Stygia | They're currently found in IMAGE_INSTALL_append, but a similar situation I've seen when adding them in RDEPENDS for packages. | 13:47 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: the files that were to make it up if it were to be an actual one, then... | 13:47 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: it sounds like those packages aren't really being installed then | 13:48 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: are they mentioned as being installed in the log.do_rootfs for the image? | 13:48 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Yes, they are mentioned as "to be installed: ..." | 13:50 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, I grep'd for "term-readline", and the only mentions of it seems to be in perl/perl-rdepends..., where it mentions its dependencies. | 13:50 |
| Stygia | No mention of which files should be included, which does seem to be my issue - the PM and .so files don't get included (Although Term::ReadLine doesn't seem to have an so file, but still). | 13:51 |
| Stygia | We have been "fixing" (or working around, at least) this by adding the files to FILES_{PN} For a perl bbappend | 13:51 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: you mean pulling the files into the main package? | 13:52 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Do the files wind up in your actual image, and not just perl's own packages-split? | 13:52 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, What? I'm not sure I understand. | 13:52 |
| Stygia | I have a FILES_${PN} += ... where I add the files I need for perl, yes. | 13:52 |
| Stygia | As one big blob, this is awful, I know. | 13:52 |
| lpapp | bluelightning: not sure what you mean. | 13:53 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: I'm not sure what your question is either... | 13:53 |
| Stygia | It should be FILES_${PN}-term-readline AFAIK, but still, the point is I don't see the PM files and such getting into the actual image when depended upon, only in packages-split for perl. | 13:53 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: if the files end up in packages-split that means they will be in the package in whose directory they appear | 13:53 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: if they aren't in your image it means that package is not being installed | 13:53 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Hmm. They're shown in packages-split for perl. | 13:54 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: you mean packages-split/perl ? | 13:54 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, tmp/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-poky-linux-gnueabi/perl/5.14.3-r5/packages-split/perl-module-term-readline/ | 13:54 |
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| Stygia | the 'r5' thing is my fdault, so never mind that. | 13:59 |
| zaif | Hi all, Any idea how to get v4l2src working. Previously I embed v4lc(http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/1157/), but when I do gst-launch it says no element "v4l2src" | 14:00 |
| zaif | typo v4l2* | 14:02 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Another thing I noted, actually, is that it doesn't seem like perl here RPROVIDES all of the core modules. For example, it only mentions the RDEPENDS of ${PN}-module-term-readline, but trying to using in another packages RDEPENDs gets a complaint that it's not found in the base feeds. | 14:03 |
| bluelightning | zaif: I would suggest confirming that v4l2 support is enabled in gstreamer (or whichever gst-plugins-* is meant to provide it) and that the appropriate plugin package is installed in your image | 14:03 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: the perl module packages are dynamically generated, and the perl recipe does PACKAGES_DYNAMIC += "^perl-module-.*" | 14:05 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: which means that perl-module-<anything> should be provided | 14:06 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Ah, yea okay. So why, when I add perl-module-term-readline to IMAGE_INSTALL_append do I get told it's not in the base feeds? Because it really isn't, since it's dynamic? | 14:06 |
| bluelightning | if you get that error it means that the package manager can't find it | 14:07 |
| Stygia | Presumably because it's dynamic? | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | no | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | it just means it doesn't exist as far as the package manager knows | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | that usually means it ended up empty | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | your FILES_${PN} += hacks would actually cause that situation I think | 14:08 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Oh? How so? | 14:10 |
| bluelightning | well if the files were forced into the main package they couldn't be picked up by the dynamic packaging | 14:10 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, It's supposed to add the files dynamically, and never will since I'm touching FILES_${PN} at a higher PR? | 14:10 |
| bluelightning | -> no package produced | 14:10 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Huh, alright. | 14:11 |
| bluelightning | but the failure doesn't occur until do_rootfs because the perl recipe has promised, through the PACKAGES_DYNAMIC statement, that that package will exist | 14:11 |
| Stygia | I'll try and look into removing this bbappend completely, then, and see if maybe we won't have to maintain this anywmore. | 14:11 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, And right. Thanks! Hopefully we'll get out of this mess, so I can fix my depends to perl-module-X without problems. | 14:12 |
| Stygia | I wonder how it dynamically knows which files to include, then, but I could read the bbclass, no worries. | 14:12 |
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| Stygia | The perl recipe I know. | 14:12 |
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| bluelightning | Stygia: there's a section in the manual on how it works here: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#handling-optional-module-packaging | 14:14 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Sorta weird to see a 'python' function delimited with braces. But, thanks, I"ll read up on that and get to cleaning my env perl-wise. | 14:16 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Hmm, right... yea, okay, I definitively see how this works now. Thanks for that link. | 14:21 |
| bluelightning | np | 14:21 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, I don'tget 100% why my own FILES_${PN} would interfere with this, but I'll cut it out either way. | 14:22 |
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| lpapp | bluelightning: tar.bz2 is a backup image. | 14:24 |
| lpapp | it is not a filesystem, like jffs, ext3, reiserfs, ubifs, btrfs, etc. | 14:24 |
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| bluelightning | lpapp: it's not a backup at all | 14:33 |
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| lpapp | bluelightning: what is it then? | 14:34 |
| bluelightning | it is a bzip2-compressed tar archive of the files that are in the image | 14:35 |
| bluelightning | it is quite frequently used when you wish to install the image onto a device that already contains a filesystem, e.g. a pre-formatted SD card | 14:36 |
| zaif | bluelightning: got some hints from this(http://gumstix.8.x6.nabble.com/Re-e-con-camera-modules-td2521910.html) regarding v4l2src. Will try these steps and get back for any help. | 14:36 |
| lpapp | bluelightning: but why is it exposed as IMAGE FILESYSTEM?\ | 14:40 |
| lpapp | it is not a filesystem as the rest. | 14:40 |
| bluelightning | that's not important | 14:40 |
| lpapp | well, for you. | 14:47 |
| lpapp | it caused a few hours thinking, and it just seems to be a bad API. | 14:47 |
| lpapp | bad as in confusing. | 14:48 |
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| lpapp | thanks. | 14:48 |
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| mbelisko | hi all | 14:50 |
| mbelisko | if I define my own var e.g. USE_TEST = 1 | 14:51 |
| mbelisko | can I use for "${@base_contains("USE_TEST", "yes", "xx", "yy", d)} ? | 14:51 |
| mbelisko | to add list of files to FILES_${PN} ? | 14:52 |
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| bluelightning | mbelisko: certainly | 14:53 |
| ant_work | base_conditional maybe? | 14:54 |
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| mbelisko | ant_work: thanks | 14:57 |
| ant_work | though you probably want to create a separate package instead | 14:58 |
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| darknighte | halstead: did you get a meeting invite from me? | 15:19 |
| darknighte | for this week? | 15:19 |
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| jackmitchell | does anyone know if there is a good reason for i586 to be the default 32bit target tune, rather than i686? | 15:28 |
| jackmitchell | or even, why i686 doesn't seem to exist as a tune at all? | 15:29 |
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| kergoth | goddamnit, even with my latest sstate reuse fixes, i'm still seeing cases where a massive number of setscenes run, but it runs the real tasks anyway | 16:36 |
| * kergoth grumbles and digs | 16:36 | |
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| lpapp | jackmitchell: IMO x32 should be the default 32 bit target, but we are far from that ideal world. | 16:43 |
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| jackmitchell | lpapp: are there any architectures that can't build for x32, atoms for example? | 16:46 |
| bluelightning | lpapp: that wouldn't work on 32-bit hardware | 16:46 |
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| kergoth | hmm | 16:47 |
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| lpapp | bluelightning: that is why I said ideal world.... I do not think there is much point in 32 bit processors. | 16:48 |
| jackmitchell | ok, I was referring specifically to the default 32bit tune | 16:49 |
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| zaif | I am using gumstix-console-image. After build is success, is there any way to run it with qemu? | 19:11 |
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| crunchex | What's the logic behind incrementing the self-referencing PRINC variable by a value other than 1? I apologize if I missed it somewhere in the docs. | 20:16 |
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| zaif | crunchex: PR increment is just for keeping track of any updates/patches. | 20:26 |
| zaif | crunchex: Explanation: http://www.multitech.net/developer/products/multiconnect-ocg/development/writing-bitbake-recipes/ | 20:28 |
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| crunchex | zaif: I understand the purpose of it, but I see that in some recipes, it increments by 2, for example: PRINC := "${@int(PRINC) + 2}" | 20:39 |
| crunchex | Why would that number need to be anything but 1? | 20:39 |
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| kergoth | crunchex: in the past, PR had to be bumped manually. when the metadat changed, they bumped it | 21:09 |
| kergoth | crunchex: it started as 1, then got incremented to 2 when the content was changed again | 21:09 |
| kergoth | pretty straightforward | 21:09 |
| BCMM | i'm sure i've had this question answered here before, but can't seem to find it in my logs: how can i find out which recipe created a given file? | 21:13 |
| BCMM | (in this particular case, it's /etc/init.d/networking) | 21:13 |
| kergoth | easiest to just use the apckage manager on the target | 21:17 |
| kergoth | so it depends on what the package manager is | 21:17 |
| kergoth | alternatively, on the build side you could look at buildhistory | 21:17 |
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| BCMM | kergoth: like, the PM on the device? don't think i've got one (certainly haven't intentionally) | 21:28 |
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| crunchex | kergoth: thanks. so it really doesn't matter, but that was where it was at when it became automatic. | 21:29 |
| BCMM | anyway, found my answer for this time by doing grep -r on the recipes tree; turns out the forked rpi BSP is the problem | 21:29 |
| kergoth | plenty of images include it by default :) | 21:29 |
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| BCMM | when i connect a USB cd-rom drive, no /dev/sr0 device appears | 22:33 |
| BCMM | dmesg shows that it's been recognised, by usb-storage, but no device file appears | 22:33 |
| BCMM | how should i go about fixing this? something to do with udev's config? | 22:34 |
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| SorenHolm | Hi | 22:59 |
| SorenHolm | How do I get a patch included in 1.5. Does stuff get backporte automatically or should I specify in that patch that the patch is suitable to be applies to dora ? | 23:00 |
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| Crofton|work | SorenHolm, gett the patch in master, the ask the dora maintainer to backport | 23:06 |
| SorenHolm | Crofton|work: ok - where can I find the list of maintainers? | 23:08 |
| Crofton|work | I was afraid you would ask that :) | 23:09 |
| SorenHolm | Crofton|work: :D | 23:09 |
| SorenHolm | I'll ask as a reply to my patch. Thanks. | 23:10 |
| Crofton|work | yeah | 23:10 |
| Crofton|work | that would be best | 23:10 |
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