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| mtahmed | vmeson: No comments on the email but I found out that the compilers are being set in `meta/conf/*conf` files. Now I need to figure out how to overwrite those variables, and use the new variables. | 01:20 |
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| mtahmed | If someone has already done something similar, that would have been very helpful. | 01:23 |
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| vmeson | mtahmed: I don't know of anyone who has done this exactly. Certainly people override the open source gcc with a vendor supported one | 01:37 |
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| kergoth | what are you trying to do exactly? | 01:38 |
| mtahmed | kergoth: Trying to use llvm+clang for oe/poky. | 01:40 |
| kergoth | as a crosscompiler toolchain, or native? | 01:41 |
| mtahmed | The first "goal" could be to try to build core-image-minimal for poky-tiny using llvm+clang. So far, I have been able to compile the clang cross-compiler. | 01:41 |
| mtahmed | As a cross-compiler toolchain for building the images. | 01:42 |
| kergoth | afaik stock clang/llvm doesn't even support easy selection of target and corresponding sysroot yet, hence the existance of projects like ellcc | 01:42 |
| kergoth | could be mistaken, though | 01:42 |
| kergoth | I would definitely love to see this as a possibility though. There's definite value in it, both from a tooling perspective, and for folks who are gpl-averse | 01:42 |
| * vmeson recalls seeing ellcc... a year or two ago but I thought that clang no longer needed that help. | 01:43 | |
| kergoth | it's also worth noting that neither clang nor llvm replace binutils, there's no pure bsd binutils replacement afaik. there's elftoolchain, which is promising, but it's still missing the assembler and linker. not sure if you care about that or not | 01:43 |
| kergoth | clang has an argument to select the target, but i don't know whether or not its smart enough to associate that with the appropriate sysroot for multilib | 01:44 |
| * kergoth shrugs | 01:44 | |
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| vmeson | kergoth: mtahmed (and I) are just trying to take the first few steps to understand what needs to be done so your comments are certainly helpful. | 01:45 |
| vmeson | mtahmed: http://ellcc.org/ (in case you can't use google. :) ) | 01:45 |
| kergoth | http://www.embtoolkit.org/ apparently has some llvm stuff too, never tried it though | 01:45 |
| kergoth | i've started trying to look at this in the past too, mostly was at the information gathering stage though | 01:45 |
| kergoth | also wanted to try using musl instead of eglibc, as an experiment/exercise :) | 01:45 |
| mtahmed | Haha. I already saw that :D. "associate that with the appropriate sysroot for multilib"? I am kind of noob with this stuff right now. | 01:45 |
| kergoth | http://wiki.musl-libc.org/wiki/BuildingLLVM may be of interest for that | 01:46 |
| vmeson | we could hard-code some thing for one target arch as an initial proof of concept project since mtahmed has only 4 more weeks of co-op. | 01:46 |
| kergoth | yeah, that would work, just a separate toolchain for each target configuration, no multilib | 01:46 |
| kergoth | i honestly have no idea what clang's default search paths are for libs & headers, that'd be worth investigating so you know where to put things like crti.o | 01:47 |
| kergoth | sounds like a fun project though, good luck with it | 01:47 |
| kergoth | will definitely be curious to hear how it goes | 01:47 |
| vmeson | http://ellcc.org/viewvc/svn/ellcc/trunk/ is still active - that's good. If only they used git! | 01:48 |
| kergoth | git-svn is our friend ;) | 01:48 |
| kergoth | remember that you don't need to build llvm+clang in yocto necessarily, a first step could be to find an existing one and alter the external toolchain stuff to grab its C library & headers | 01:48 |
| kergoth | could then move on to the more complex bootstrapping process from there | 01:49 |
| kergoth | your call | 01:49 |
| kergoth | but something to keep in mind | 01:49 |
| kergoth | at least that would get you to the point where you'd be able to fix any build failures resulting from the use of clang rather than gcc :) | 01:49 |
| kergoth | (theoretically) | 01:49 |
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| mtahmed | Are there some small examples of using a non-host compiler for builds? | 01:56 |
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| kergoth | not sure what you mean by that | 01:57 |
| kergoth | yocto always uses a non-host compiler for builds | 01:57 |
| kergoth | it builds its own crosscompiler | 01:57 |
| kergoth | unless you configure it for an external toolchain, e.g. the mentor graphics / codesourcery one (see https://github.com/MentorEmbedded/meta-sourcery) | 01:58 |
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| mtahmed | Well, I am quite noob. Then are there examples of using an external one? | 01:58 |
| kergoth | you should be able to use that as an example if you wanted to, say, use a prebuilt ellcc rather than trying to get yocto to build llvm+clang | 01:58 |
| mtahmed | Okay I could look at that. | 01:58 |
| kergoth | poky includes an external toolchainc onfiguration right in it | 01:58 |
| kergoth | in oe-core | 01:58 |
| kergoth | but it's not well supported, and its a sourcery example, so you're better off using meta-sourcery as an example, i think | 01:59 |
| mtahmed | Okay that would be (much?) easier? Just build clang separately, drop it in somewhere, and use to with the appropriate target arguments? | 01:59 |
| mtahmed | And then see where/why I am getting errors (with include paths etc.) | 02:00 |
| kergoth | tough to say without digging in in more detail, but from a look at hte musl page, there are quite a few components you'll need to build, which means you'd need recipes for each | 02:00 |
| * kergoth shrugs | 02:00 | |
| kergoth | I've never built llvm+clang from scratch myself, so I'm no expert :) | 02:00 |
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| mtahmed | I have experience with llvm+clang ... I am maintaining (some) archlinux packages for it as well. | 02:01 |
| mtahmed | I have little experience with bitbake/yocto/oe/poky stuff though. | 02:01 |
| mtahmed | Which is what I am seeking help with. And thanks for the tips. I need to save them somewhere now :) | 02:01 |
| kergoth | no problem | 02:02 |
| vmeson | git svn clone -s http://ellcc.org/viewvc/svn/ellcc/ ellcc.git didn't work -- I have a custom git in /usr/local so I'll have to fix: | 02:11 |
| vmeson | Repository has been moved: Repository moved permanently to '/viewvc/svn/ellcc'; please relocate at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/Git/SVN.pm line 310 | 02:11 |
| vmeson | tomorrowish... | 02:11 |
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| mtahmed | Okay. | 02:20 |
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| kergoth | viewvc isn't an svn repository url, afaik, its likely the web browsing interface to it | 02:26 |
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| kergoth | per http://ellcc.org/blog/?p=251: % svn checkout http://ellcc.org/svn/ellcc/trunk ellcc | 02:26 |
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| Crofton|work | Do you guys have any idea how har dit is to figure out how old OE is :) | 03:10 |
| Crofton|work | This may be the best date I have: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake | 03:11 |
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| kergoth | Crofton|work: first commit in the bitbake repo, which goes back to the bitkeeper days, is feb 2003 | 03:13 |
| kergoth | i started work on a timeline at one point, but i can't seem to figure out where i put it | 03:13 |
| Crofton|work | feel free to correct my email to the yocto list :) | 03:13 |
| kergoth | at one point i found the ibot irc logs of some of the original discussions, including the debate where we decided to call it 'openembedded' :) | 03:13 |
| kergoth | also some of the old wiki pages out of the wayback machine | 03:14 |
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| Crofton|work | if you find that agina, it would be handy for me to have as a reference | 03:14 |
| Crofton|work | we've come a long way, but I want to make sure people do not forget the path we took to get here | 03:15 |
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| vmeson | kergoth: oh yeah, thanks. This works: git svn clone http://ellcc.org/svn/ellcc ellcc.git or at least started working.. time for sleep. | 05:10 |
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| brm123 | Hey guys, anyone know how to patch files that are not in tmp/work/beaglebone/ I.e nano ... ? | 07:21 |
| brm123 | I.e in the arm7... directory .. | 07:22 |
| nerdboy | as in do_patch? | 07:24 |
| nerdboy | you can sed/awk/manual stuff in SYSROOT/blah but that's definitely a hack | 07:25 |
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| nerdboy | what exactly do you think you need to do? | 07:25 |
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| brm123 | I want to patch nano and put the patch in my layer .. that works ok for other source but not the source to nano .. | 07:26 |
| nerdboy | you would patch nano with a nano_X.X.bbappend | 07:28 |
| brm123 | Or any other source in tmp/work/arm7 .... | 07:28 |
| nerdboy | you can add custom functions to recipes if really want control | 07:28 |
| brm123 | Yep I know, it appears to work, I.e no compile error, but patch is not applied | 07:28 |
| nerdboy | but it sounds like all you need is a small bbappend with a patch file in it | 07:29 |
| brm123 | I di that it does not work | 07:29 |
| nerdboy | then something's wrong with the recipe | 07:29 |
| nerdboy | what does your SRC_URI look like? | 07:29 |
| brm123 | I have similar patches for the linux kernel, they all work | 07:29 |
| nerdboy | SRC_URI_append and SRC_URI+= should both work | 07:30 |
| nerdboy | the former is probably preferred | 07:30 |
| brm123 | SRC_URI += file://parch | 07:31 |
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| nerdboy | try _append instead | 07:32 |
| nerdboy | and don't forget the quotea | 07:33 |
| brm123 | Ok, but += works for other .bbapend files | 07:33 |
| brm123 | Yep have the quotes | 07:33 |
| nerdboy | seems like a remember a couple of cases where it didn't | 07:33 |
| nerdboy | SRC_URI_append = "file://parch" <= try that | 07:34 |
| brm123 | Ok, will do thanks .. | 07:34 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 08:44 |
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| TuTizz | morning all | 08:53 |
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| TuTizz | Can someone tell me what is the correct way to modify a *.inc? (I want to remove tiff from qt4.inc) Should I create a patch? Can I do that from a *.bbappend? | 09:04 |
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| drasko | hi all. When I run bitbake busybox -c menuconfig, ncurses are confused, everything is misaligned | 09:33 |
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| ndec | TuTizz: the .inc in included in the .bb file. so anything you do in .bbappend will indeed have impact on the .inc/.bb file. | 09:34 |
| ndec | however, the .inc can be included in many .bb files, so you might need to add many .bbappend... | 09:35 |
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| ndec | ok, it doesn't seem to be the case for qt4.inc, it's included once. | 09:36 |
| drasko | can it be messed locale? | 09:37 |
| drasko | how to fix this? | 09:37 |
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| drasko | anyone on the channel ? | 10:08 |
| tobiash | drasko: did you try a different terminal? | 10:10 |
| drasko | tobiash, not | 10:10 |
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| drasko | I am trying to find do_meniuconfig() for BUsybox | 10:10 |
| drasko | I do not find it | 10:10 |
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| tobiash | drasko: it's in cml1.bbclass | 10:12 |
| drasko | tobiash, I do not get how for Linux menuconfig works nicely | 10:12 |
| drasko | and for Busybox not | 10:13 |
| drasko | same terminal... | 10:13 |
| bluelightning | morning all | 10:13 |
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| drasko | tobiash, in meta/recipes-core/busybox/busybox.inc I can see just cml1_do_configure | 10:18 |
| drasko | However I can not find where it calls menuconfig | 10:18 |
| drasko | I also can not find where kernel recipes inherit cml1 | 10:19 |
| drasko | Because kernel recipes must do something correct, as ncurses is displayed correctly over there. | 10:19 |
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| tobiash | drasko: the addtask for menuconfig is in the cml1.bbclass which is called by you as you called bitbake with -c menuconfig | 10:30 |
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| drasko | tobiash, I can see that. I just can not see where kernel recipes inherist cml1.bbclass | 10:32 |
| drasko | *inherit | 10:32 |
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| drasko | Hi all, I can not see ldd tool in my sdk | 11:01 |
| drasko | where is it located in yocto | 11:01 |
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| ant_work | drasko: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2013-November/017149.html | 11:13 |
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| drasko | ant_work, would this mean that I;d have to add tools-sdk to my EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES? | 11:14 |
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| drasko | In order to obtain readelf | 11:14 |
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| bluelightning | JaMa: FYI: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 | 12:10 |
| yocti | Bug 5546: enhancement, Undecided, ---, paul.eggleton, NEW , Optimise away meta-oe X init mechanism | 12:10 |
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| JaMa | bluelightning: thx | 12:23 |
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| TuTizz | thanks ndec. I will try that | 13:00 |
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| mtahmed | kergoth: I was looking at https://github.com/MentorEmbedded/meta-sourcery and I was wondering if it's possible to directly add that layer and set EXTERNAL_TOOLCHAIN to the llvm+clang install? | 15:19 |
| mtahmed | Or would I need to replicate what it does? | 15:20 |
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| kergoth | mtahmed: there are likely at least some assumptions in that about the layout ofthe toolchain. you're certainly ewlcomet o try | 15:47 |
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| mtahmed | kergoth: I am trying to understand how the CC, CXX etc. variables are set and how autotools etc. uses them. | 15:53 |
| mtahmed | From what I understand so far, recipes include autotools. And it magically builds everything for them using some compiler. | 15:54 |
| mtahmed | I am still trying to understand how it determines what compiler to use etc. | 15:55 |
| mtahmed | I am also trying to see how the PROVIDES/DEPENDS variables work. | 16:01 |
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| kergoth | mtahmed: read bitbake.conf in oe-core | 16:20 |
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| mtahmed | kergoth: Alright. I think I did look at that before. | 16:22 |
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| lexszero | hmm. i have a recipe with SRC_URI = "git://git@git-server.local:somerepo;branch=somebranch" and SRCREV="${AUTOREV}". for somewhat reason bitbake runs git fetch file://git@git-server.local:somerepo and it obviously fails. how to fix this? possibly a bug... | 17:00 |
| lexszero | git-server.local is a valid hostname of our corporate git server | 17:01 |
| TuTizz | hi, when I try to build my image ${CORE_IMAGE_BASE_INSTALL} with INCOMPATIBLE_LICENSE = "GPLv3", I got an issue during do_rootfs : | Processing packagegroup-core-boot... | error: Failed dependencies: libreadline.so.6 is needed by bluez4-4.101-r3.armv7a_vfp_neon. Anyone got an idea? | 17:01 |
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| LetoThe2nd | is this a known thing when trying to eclipse-adt debug against qemuarm? "Could not determine GDB version after sending: gdb --version" | 17:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | running works fine, it also seems to start the gdbserver, but fails with the given error message to debug | 17:09 |
| kergoth | lexszero: that's not a valid url | 17:10 |
| kergoth | lexszero: you can't use a : seprator between a host and path in a url | 17:10 |
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| kergoth | lexszero: change that ot a / and you'll be fine | 17:11 |
| kergoth | also, it sounds like you want ssh protocol, not git://, so add ;protocol=ssh | 17:11 |
| kergoth | so git://git@git-server.local/somerepo;protocol=ssh | 17:11 |
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| lexszero | kergoth: thanks, your advice helped. git remote git@git-server.local:somerepo always worked for me, so i thought bitbake will take this too. | 17:23 |
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| mr_science | kergoth: do you normally have VM enabled in the kernel even with no physical swap device? | 17:35 |
| kergoth | I don't understand the question | 17:37 |
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| mr_science | apparently our default kernel config has no swap enabled at all | 17:40 |
| mr_science | for the TI8168 machine | 17:40 |
| mr_science | whereas i do enable swap and use zram on an even "smaller" machine | 17:41 |
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| kergoth | ah. i usually leave it enabled myself, just in case. i doubt there's much impact to doing so | 17:42 |
| mr_science | seems like we hit a case where the kernel took a dump and kworker sucked up almost all of the cpu | 17:48 |
| mr_science | wasn't me, so it's just anecdotal so far... | 17:48 |
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| kergoth | huh, interesting | 17:53 |
| mr_science | dmesg from that machine only shows the TI graphics blob spew and usbnet | 17:54 |
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| mr_science | mostly "VPSS_GRPX blah" over and over again... | 17:55 |
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| * mr_science hates on unsupported TI graphics | 17:55 | |
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| vmeson | mtahmed: it's be good to get a github page up now that you have a clang recipe | 19:11 |
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| vmeson | I'd clone it and build locally so you'd have one user at least. :) | 19:12 |
| vmeson | also, fyi for anyone following along, fray suggested that mtahmed start with http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Adding_a_secondary_toolchain | 19:14 |
| mtahmed | vmeson: I already "forked" poky. | 19:15 |
| mtahmed | https://github.com/mtahmed | 19:15 |
| mtahmed | But haven't push my clang recipe there yet. | 19:15 |
| mtahmed | It's not very clean and just hacked together from the llvm recipe. | 19:16 |
| mtahmed | Not hacked but just coarsely adapted from it. | 19:16 |
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| mtahmed | I will clean it up before I *actually* start using it and then push to my fork. | 19:17 |
| vmeson | mtahmed: good plan! :) . Ready when you are. | 19:19 |
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| ccube | hi | 21:32 |
| ccube | I need to change my bootstrap gcc, because 4.8 is not working for me. how can I tell yocto, to use another binary? | 21:33 |
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| Circuitsoft | Hello. I'm trying to compile a utility library for my target which uses dlfcn.h, and gcc can't find it. | 21:53 |
| Circuitsoft | Is it supported on eglibc? | 21:54 |
| mr_science | should be | 21:55 |
| mr_science | i have /usr/include/dlfcn.h, /usr/include/bits/dlfcn.h, and /usr/include/tcl8.4.19/compat/dlfcn.h in my sysroot (oe-classic) | 21:56 |
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