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| andhe_ | WARNING: Failed to fetch URL ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.17.1.tar.xz, attempting MIRRORS if available | 14:06 |
| andhe_ | better use snapshot.debian.org as source to avoid dissapearing tarballs?! | 14:06 |
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| lpapp | andhe_: better to use own mirrors. ;-) | 14:09 |
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| andhe_ | lpapp: sure, but good defaults are nice IMHO... | 14:10 |
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| andhe_ | no point in using something that's guaranteed to go away, when there's an alternative that's supposed to stay around. | 14:12 |
| lpapp | andhe_: anything can go away, even the "supposed"./ | 14:14 |
| lpapp | andhe_: anything can go away, even the "supposed". | 14:14 |
| lpapp | it is supposed now. :-) | 14:14 |
| andhe_ | can vs will | 14:15 |
| andhe_ | there's a difference | 14:15 |
| lpapp | I am not sure what you mean. | 14:15 |
| andhe_ | the pool will rotate the contents, snapshot.debian.org is atleast supposed to stay around. | 14:15 |
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| andhe_ | so options 1) use something that will fail or 2) use something that can fail | 14:17 |
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| andhe_ | anyway, enough discussion... was just a friendly suggestion. | 14:18 |
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| lpapp | andhe_: send a patch to the mailing list. | 14:24 |
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| bluelightning | andhe_: if that works we'd definitely appreciate a patch | 14:34 |
| bluelightning | andhe_: FWIW we do have our own mirrors so at least it should just be a warning rather than an error, but if we could avoid the warning as well that would be even better | 14:35 |
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| lpapp | bluelightning: it was a warning. | 14:41 |
| lpapp | but as it seems, the proposed alternative would not solve the warning. | 14:44 |
| lpapp | http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20140201T040703Z/pool/main/d/dpkg/ | 14:44 |
| lpapp | for dpkg, it would be the same thing, basically. | 14:44 |
| lpapp | (you would need to change the link for an upgrade... perhaps there is a "catch-all" place instead?) | 14:46 |
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| fitzsim_ | hi, the lab network went down | 15:59 |
| fitzsim_ | got cut off | 15:59 |
| lpapp | ok | 15:59 |
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| justind1989 | hello Who can help me? I can not instal my distrib yocto for my beaglebone | 16:47 |
| jkridner | justind1989: you got everything to build and were having a problem figuring out what to put on your microSD card (or otherwise boot), correct? | 16:48 |
| lpapp | justind1989: what exactly is the issue? | 16:48 |
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| justind1989 | Yocto me generate a boot file *. Ext3 and a core file * bin. xhere save files on the BEAGLEBONE? | 16:49 |
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| justind1989 | where * | 16:49 |
| justind1989 | Sorry for my english, i m french | 16:49 |
| justind1989 | Yes it s my problem | 16:50 |
| lpapp | justind1989: have you tried flashing your rootfs via u-boot? | 16:50 |
| lpapp | (or have you put it on the microSD card?) | 16:50 |
| justind1989 | The emulation with qemu is ok | 16:51 |
| lpapp | have you tried #beaglebone? | 16:52 |
| justind1989 | Yocto me generate two fichiers.Mais I do not know how to implement them on my BEAGLEBONE. I am a beginner. | 16:52 |
| kergoth | ah, two files. thank god for google translate | 16:53 |
| justind1989 | On the # BEAGLEBONE, they told me to come on # yocto lol | 16:53 |
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| justind1989 | Yes google translate | 16:54 |
| justind1989 | My english is not very good | 16:54 |
| justind1989 | ^ | 16:54 |
| jkridner | lpapp: I sent him here. :) | 16:54 |
| jkridner | I don't know what the output of a #yocto build is... | 16:54 |
| lpapp | jkridner: it is just a rootfs (.ext3) in this case. | 16:54 |
| lpapp | from that point on, it is not Yocto specific IMHO. | 16:54 |
| lpapp | I guess you need to create the partitions and copy the rootfs, but I do not know how it is done for Beaglebone with sdcards. | 16:55 |
| jkridner | otherwise, this could be a simple "how do I boot Linux" question. | 16:55 |
| jkridner | Are the files an ext3 partition image and ?!? | 16:55 |
| jkridner | k. and the kernel is in /boot on that .ext3? | 16:55 |
| lpapp | jkridner: depends on how the image is built. | 16:55 |
| jkridner | k. given a kernel and rootfs, I can answer on how to boot on BeagleBone. | 16:56 |
| jkridner | I just don't know if that "other file" is a kernel. | 16:56 |
| lpapp | what is the full name of the .bin file? | 16:57 |
| justind1989 | To help me, what do you like information? Do you want me to tell you the files generated by yocto? | 16:57 |
| lpapp | (my assumption is that it is the kernel image) | 16:57 |
| lpapp | but I do not use a separate kernel image for instance because I build that into the rootfs which I flash with u-boot, but I do not use an sdcard. | 16:57 |
| lpapp | (I use nor flash) | 16:58 |
| lpapp | sdcard should be simpler. | 16:58 |
| lpapp | dd? | 16:58 |
| jkridner | justind1989: there are many ways to boot a kernel and rootfs. sdcard is likely the easiest. | 16:58 |
| lpapp | or just fdisk + decompress? | 16:58 |
| jkridner | some people find this helpful for understanding BeagleBone boot, but it is mostly based on the demo image provided with the board: http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | 16:59 |
| mckoan | justind1989: https://www.yoctoproject.org/download/texas-instruments-arm-cortex-a8-development-board-beagleboard-0 | 16:59 |
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| justind1989 | Ok, I'll look at the links you provided me. | 17:01 |
| justind1989 | i come back ^ | 17:01 |
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| jkridner | You'll want a tool like u-boot for bootloading: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/handy-u-boot-trick | 17:01 |
| jkridner | justind1989: and, assuming you've got a kernel and rootfs from yocto, you can ask the rest of questions to #beagle | 17:01 |
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| justind1989 | Jkridner, ok thx, i'll do | 17:03 |
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| lpapp | justind1989: good luck. | 17:05 |
| lpapp | jkridner: thanks. | 17:05 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #55 of nightly-x86-64-lsb is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-x86-64-lsb/builds/55 | 17:13 | |
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| mr_science | moin | 17:35 |
| lpapp | hi | 17:35 |
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| mr_science | lpapp: how's it going? | 17:39 |
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| * mr_science broke the rpi image again | 17:40 | |
| lpapp | mr_science: going ok. :) | 17:44 |
| mr_science | getting more comfortable with the ins-and-outs of bitbake? | 17:44 |
| lpapp | yeah | 17:45 |
| * mr_science still re-architecing meta-alt-desktop-extras | 17:45 | |
| mr_science | +t | 17:45 |
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| mr_science | that plus some upstream integration fixes... | 17:46 |
| mr_science | also working on some pot-stirring fun for the mailing list | 17:47 |
| mr_science | shhh... | 17:47 |
| lpapp | mr_science: I see | 17:48 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, I just realized our python-native can still look in the user's ~/.local for modules, and even use those in preference to its own system search path in the sysroot | 17:57 |
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| kergoth | we should think about patching it to ignore it, or explicitly set PYTHONUSERBASE= in a wrapper | 17:57 |
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| bluelightning | kergoth: hmm, that is scary | 18:07 |
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| kergoth | I just tried to run a python script I installed and ran with python-native,a nd it used my ~/.local lxml install instead of python-lxml-naitve | 18:11 |
| kergoth | not good :) | 18:11 |
| * kergoth 'll open an issue about it | 18:11 | |
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| Piziwate | Hello everybody, I've managed to build Yocto linux + meta-ti to get a running core-image-minimal on the beaglebone. Now I'm trying to enable the usb-gadget things, but I didn't have systemd on my image. Is it normal that meta-ti provides the systemd startup scripts for the usb-gadget and not embedding systemd on the image ? | 18:27 |
| Piziwate | if I make bitbake systemd, I got : ERROR: systemd was skipped: 'systemd' not in DISTRO_FEATURES | 18:28 |
| kergoth | your distro isn't systemd, so building it wouldn't make sense | 18:28 |
| kergoth | either use the sysvinit scripts, or switch to a systemd distribution | 18:28 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: core-image-minmal does not ship systemd (luckily) | 18:28 |
| Piziwate | but in meta-ti, there is systemd init scripts for the usb-gadget stuffs... | 18:29 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: but core-image-minimal is not their image. | 18:29 |
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| lpapp | you are building the wrong image. | 18:29 |
| Piziwate | I don't really need systemd, but I need to enable the mass-storage usb gadget on my beagle bone | 18:29 |
| denix | Piziwate: systemd is distro setting, not BSP | 18:29 |
| Piziwate | I'm a little bit confusing ! | 18:30 |
| Piziwate | what image should I build ? | 18:30 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: why cannot you do that with busybox init or sysv? | 18:30 |
| lpapp | (we enable it via sysv here) | 18:30 |
| kergoth | it really doesn't matter if there are systemd scripts in meta-ti | 18:31 |
| kergoth | you aren't using systemd | 18:31 |
| Piziwate | hum I can try... but there were these systemd init files on the meta-ti... So I tougth it was the best way to do ! | 18:31 |
| kergoth | again, it does not matter | 18:31 |
| Piziwate | Ok ! :-) | 18:31 |
| kergoth | meta-ti supports both sysvinit and systemd, your distro does not | 18:31 |
| kergoth | presumably there are also sysvinit startup scripts to handle usb-gadget things, but you'd be best off asking the ti folks there | 18:32 |
| kergoth | not sure | 18:32 |
| Piziwate | it the core-image-minimal a good start to use with meta-ti ? | 18:32 |
| mr_science | i didn't see a specific distro mentioned... are we talking the poky default? | 18:32 |
| Piziwate | yes ! poky-dora-10.0.1 | 18:32 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: look for modprobe g_serial. | 18:32 |
| kergoth | the image isn't relevant either | 18:32 |
| kergoth | well, somewhat | 18:32 |
| mr_science | meta-ti built fine for my bbb a few weeks back | 18:33 |
| kergoth | core-image-base is a more suitable baseline for full support of the capabilities of the hardware | 18:33 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: or an image config with builtin support. | 18:33 |
| kergoth | afk | 18:33 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: what kernel are you using? | 18:33 |
| mr_science | i think it just made it use my xorg image in the alt layer | 18:33 |
| Piziwate | ok I see... the core-image-base boot correctly on my BBB | 18:33 |
| denix | core-image-minimal is a good start | 18:33 |
| mr_science | no systemd, just sysvinit | 18:33 |
| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #57 of nightly-fsl-ppc-lsb is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-fsl-ppc-lsb/builds/57 | 18:34 | |
| Piziwate | 3.12.10 | 18:34 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: something is there, grep -rn g_serial . | 18:34 |
| lpapp | ./recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2/3.2.14/0027-usb-fsl_udc_core-Fix-scheduling-while-atomic-dump-me.patch:48:It is tested at i.mx51 bbg board with g_mass_storage, g_ether, g_serial. | 18:34 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: just grep the kernel config if it has it enabled. | 18:35 |
| lpapp | or if it has it as module. | 18:35 |
| lpapp | zgrep/zcat is your friend on the target, or look for the defconfig on the host. | 18:35 |
| denix | Piziwate: either way, everyone is trying to tell you, that meta-ti is just BSP later. you also have distro policies (systemd vs. sysvinit) and apps. how you load the module doesn't matter much which init you use. | 18:35 |
| Piziwate | denix: ok I see what you mean... Yocto is new for me ! | 18:36 |
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| Piziwate | lpapp: The patch you saw me is only for the kernel 3.2.14, so it will not be applied if I use 3.12.10 ? | 18:41 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: you can rebase, but you have not replied to the more important questions: a) what kernel you are using b) how it is configured. | 18:42 |
| Piziwate | I use kernel 3.12.10 | 18:42 |
| lpapp | vanilla? | 18:42 |
| lpapp | or some ti variant? | 18:42 |
| Piziwate | good question... I created a new yocto build, set the machine to beaglebone and included the yocto's meta and meta-oe and meta-ti. | 18:43 |
| Piziwate | After that I built the core-minimal-image | 18:43 |
| Piziwate | Is it a wrong way ? | 18:43 |
| lpapp | not necessarily, but it does not answer my question either. :) | 18:44 |
| Piziwate | I didn't added other parameters... | 18:44 |
| denix | lpapp: meta-ti provides 3.12.10 "staging" kernel | 18:45 |
| denix | lpapp: looks like Piziwate just used that as is | 18:45 |
| lpapp | either way, the simplest thing will be `uname -r` and zcat /proc/config.gz | grep SERIAL | 18:45 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: what do those say? | 18:45 |
| Piziwate | denix: yes | 18:45 |
| lpapp | (on the target) | 18:45 |
| lpapp | that way, we do not need to hunt down the kernel done now on your host... | 18:46 |
| Piziwate | I didn't have the target currently... | 18:46 |
| lpapp | kernel now* | 18:46 |
| lpapp | you said qemu? | 18:46 |
| Piziwate | no... I let the target device (Beaglebone black) on my desk at office ! | 18:46 |
| lpapp | find ./ -name defconfig | grep beaglebone | 18:47 |
| lpapp | ./recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2/beaglebone/defconfig | 18:47 |
| lpapp | grep CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL `find ./ -name defconfig | grep beaglebone` | 18:48 |
| lpapp | CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m | 18:48 |
| lpapp | so, you are supposed to use modprobe g_serial with this kernel in your sysv init script. | 18:48 |
| Piziwate | yes you're right ! : I got /beaglebone/defconfig |grep CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m | 18:48 |
| lpapp | there might be gentler ways (like a whitelist), but we did not apparently care | 18:49 |
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| lpapp | lpapp ~/Projects/meta-ti $ find ./ -name initscripts | 18:50 |
| lpapp | lpapp ~/Projects/meta-ti $ | 18:50 |
| lpapp | right ... | 18:50 |
| Piziwate | I'll try tomorrow to load the kernel module ! Thank you for your help... A last question, would it be better to add meta-angstrom or meta-beaglebord insteed of meta-ti ? | 18:50 |
| lpapp | so, you will need to create a .bbappend with an initscript file | 18:51 |
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| lpapp | I mean, you do not necessarily, but that is how we solved it. | 18:51 |
| denix | Piziwate: depends on what you need. meta-beagleboard is 3.8, but supports capes | 18:51 |
| lpapp | no any idea I am afraid. | 18:51 |
| denix | lpapp: why not simply autoload the module? | 18:51 |
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| lpapp | denix: how to do that? I have just skimmed through the kernel dev manual, but could not find any obvious support for it | 18:53 |
| Piziwate | yes, good idea, i'll make a receipe to implement it, or I can make a kernel config patch to build it embedded (and not like a ko) | 18:53 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: I am not sure it is a good idea to built in | 18:54 |
| lpapp | some people would tell you it is not crucial. | 18:54 |
| denix | lpapp: module_autoload_g-serial = "g-serial" | 18:54 |
| lpapp | (in your own kernel defconfig, you can do it however) | 18:54 |
| Piziwate | ok so I will load it at boot time | 18:54 |
| denix | you may need to play with - vs _ in g-serial name... | 18:54 |
| lpapp | denix: where to add that? | 18:54 |
| lpapp | I cannot find the term autoload anywhere in the yocto manuals, so I will assume I should look for the sysv documentation. | 18:55 |
| denix | lpapp: you can bbappend the corresponding kernel recipe - it's handled by module.bbclass | 18:55 |
| Piziwate | There is some files about the capes in the meta-ti : /recipes-ti/beagleboard | 18:56 |
| lpapp | https://www.mail-archive.com/yocto@yoctoproject.org/msg11963.html | 18:56 |
| Piziwate | beaglebone-capes.bb | 18:56 |
| lpapp | looks like a kernel development manual improvement bugreport is being born. | 18:57 |
| denix | Piziwate: the support for that is still not in the kernel | 18:57 |
| Piziwate | but these recipes are based on systemd... | 18:57 |
| denix | lpapp: heh | 18:57 |
| Piziwate | yes... you're right ! | 18:57 |
| Piziwate | perhaps Angstrom meta will be a better way to get a more closer approach to the BBB... | 18:57 |
| lpapp | actually, it looks like this is a good idea to manage in yocto | 18:58 |
| lpapp | since it is an abstract stuff | 18:58 |
| lpapp | you can abstract the init system instance out | 18:58 |
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| lpapp | https://www.mail-archive.com/yocto@yoctoproject.org/msg11948.html | 18:58 |
| lpapp | "module_autoload_<module package name>" | 18:58 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: seems like you could do this, http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/tree/conf/machine/palmtx.conf#n27 | 19:00 |
| Piziwate | great ! I'll try it as soon as possible ! | 19:00 |
| denix | Piziwate: you are still confusing layers - Angstrom is a distro, like Poky. meta-ti and meta-beagleboard are BSP layers | 19:00 |
| lpapp | or just use your own kernel .bbappend | 19:01 |
| lpapp | and prefer _your_ virtual/kernel. | 19:01 |
| lpapp | (that might be actually unnecessary in case of a .bbappend) | 19:01 |
| denix | lpapp: changing or re-defining machine config is rather a bad idea for novice... | 19:02 |
| Piziwate | ok so angstrom is just implementing the software package they want to integrate on Angstrom... and pocky do the same ! BSP layers are for the hw support. Is it right? | 19:02 |
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| Piziwate | (sorry for my poor english) | 19:03 |
| denix | Piziwate: that's right | 19:03 |
| lpapp | denix: I do not think so. It is actually a quick way of verifying the usage of the variable. | 19:03 |
| lpapp | and surely the first thing I also do. :) | 19:03 |
| lpapp | once that works, I will keep my fancy rolling, for sure. | 19:04 |
| denix | lpapp: if you do in place, sure | 19:04 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: ideally right, which is not true in our case. :) | 19:04 |
| Piziwate | So I think pocky is enough for me ! I need a minimal system and implement my softwares on it. Next thing is to play with the device tree to enable I/O on specifics pins. | 19:04 |
| Piziwate | lpapp: our case ? | 19:05 |
| lpapp | poky* | 19:08 |
| lpapp | Piziwate: yes, our vendor layer which is irrelevant for you. | 19:08 |
| Piziwate | Ok | 19:08 |
| lpapp | I am not sure what the best place would be in our case for this autoload. | 19:09 |
| lpapp | denix: we have our own linux kernel fork (re .bbappend) | 19:10 |
| Piziwate | Thank you for your help guys ! It helped me a lot | 19:10 |
| lpapp | I could do it in that recipe, too, but I am not sure I want. We only need g_serial in certain cases. | 19:10 |
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| lpapp | denix: how can I pass custom argument to modprobe? | 19:11 |
| lpapp | arguments* | 19:12 |
| lpapp | via module autoload? | 19:12 |
| lpapp | idVendor, idProduct, iSerialNumber, and iProduct. | 19:12 |
| denix | lpapp: module_conf_<module-package> = "args" | 19:14 |
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| justind1989 | [20:16] <justind1989> Hy [20:16] <justind1989> hello, can you please help me? I have my BEAGLEBONE that works with Angstrom. [20:17] <justind1989> I used yocto to generate a new kernel / OS. Once the command "bitbake" finished yocto generates two files. A core file: zImage-qemuarm.bin and rootfs file: core-image-minimal-or-minimal-qemuarm.tar.bz2 qemuarm.ext3 core image [20:17] <justind1989> The emulation under qemu is ok! All goe | 19:22 |
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| lpapp | denix: you mean module_conf_<module-package> = "module-name -arg1 parameter -arg2 parameter etc"? | 19:24 |
| denix | lpapp: no, in modprobe.d syntax | 19:25 |
| denix | i.e. "options modname arg1=val1 arg2=val2" | 19:26 |
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| denix | or "alias dev-blah modname" | 19:27 |
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| denix | or "install modname commands" | 19:27 |
| denix | man modprobe.d | 19:28 |
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| lpapp | denix: ok, thanks. | 19:29 |
| lpapp | denix: ah, I just realized the different of module_autoload_* vs. module_conf_* | 19:31 |
| denix | lpapp: module_autoload_* goes to /etc/modules-load.d/ instead :) | 19:32 |
| denix | lpapp: and the syntax for that is module_autoload_<modname> = "modname1 modname2 modname3" | 19:33 |
| lpapp | difference* | 19:34 |
| lpapp | I guess I should use both? | 19:35 |
| lpapp | or just _conf? | 19:35 |
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| lpapp | denix: ^ | 19:36 |
| lpapp | https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 | 19:38 |
| yocti | Bug 5888: normal, Undecided, ---, scott.m.rifenbark, NEW , Document some features of the kernel module class | 19:38 |
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| denix | lpapp: both, as they are rather different | 19:57 |
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| lpapp | denix: g2g, thanks, cya. | 20:00 |
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| JaMa | rburton_: ah right, makes sense, thanks for explanation in B!=S | 20:06 |
| JaMa | rburton_: I guess it triggers this extra check especially in case B!=S, because I wasn't seening these errors before | 20:07 |
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| tharvey | what does 'gmae' stand for in various recipe names? | 20:14 |
| tharvey | I notice that meta-toolchain-sdk is provided by meta-toolchain-gmae.bb and ends up getting deployed in tmp/deploy/sdk/ with -gmae in the name - I'm not clear what that means | 20:15 |
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| denix | tharvey: http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/62831/ | 20:27 |
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| tharvey | denix: thanks! | 20:33 |
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| tharvey | denix: in http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/62831/ its mentioned you can now 'generate an SDK from an arbitrary image' - how is that done? | 21:07 |
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| kergoth | tharvey: bitbake -c populate_sdk imagename | 21:11 |
| denix | ^^^ | 21:11 |
| tharvey | so that is purely a bitbake feature and if so what bitbake version did it appear in? | 21:12 |
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| khem | tharvey: GMAE = Gnome Mobile and Embedded | 21:19 |
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| khem | so essentially that SDK will have supporting development packages for applications meant for gnome mobile | 21:20 |
| tharvey | and its no longer active? | 21:21 |
| khem | well new way is to do -cpopulate_sdk | 21:21 |
| khem | so you can pick a gmae image | 21:21 |
| khem | and run -cpopulate_sdk you should get the SDK | 21:21 |
| tharvey | does that basically work by taking all packages from IMAGE_INSTALL and add -dev -dbg versions? | 21:21 |
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| tharvey | bitbake -cpopulate_sdk works great and makes sense. Is there any way to ensure it skips anything that has LICENSE="Proprietary" ? | 21:38 |
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| khem | tharvey: LICENSE_FLAGS_WHITELIST is something you can look into | 22:11 |
| khem | it probably wont be sufficient to what you want to do but may give some start | 22:12 |
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