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| * kergoth thinks about creating a crosstool-ng toolchain recipe which installs into an internal sysroot path, then having the meta-sourcery recipes extract from that sysroot, shifting more to build time and away from parse time, and then the actual meta-sourcery could use those recipes but replace the toolchain recipe with one that grabs the external sysroot | 01:02 | |
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| sanjeev_home | does anyone have experience in using boost-program-options in their yocto projects ? | 04:07 |
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| redengin | good evening | 07:00 |
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| bluelightning | morning all | 08:06 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #291 of eclipse-plugin-kepler is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/eclipse-plugin-kepler/builds/291 | 08:19 | |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #284 of nightly-mips is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-mips/builds/284 | 09:47 | |
| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #279 of nightly-qa-systemd is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-qa-systemd/builds/279 | 09:55 | |
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| rburton | joshuagl: i'm here! | 10:46 |
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| joshuagl | \o/ | 10:52 |
| * joshuagl is going to run a fido-next build on the AB | 10:52 | |
| rburton | fine by me. RP? | 10:53 |
| RP | rburton, joshuagl: yes | 10:54 |
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| joshuagl | hmm, at least I would if I could figure out where the red boxes in the instructions are | 10:57 |
| joshuagl | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/How_to_start_a_build_on_the_Autobuilder | 10:57 |
| joshuagl | "You will see a slew of red boxes on your right. Click the one that says nightly defaults" | 10:57 |
| joshuagl | I don't see a nightly defaults | 10:57 |
| rburton | hm that might be old | 10:57 |
| rburton | joshuagl: will go private | 10:57 |
| RP | it does look very old | 10:58 |
| rburton | file a bug for beth :) | 10:59 |
| joshuagl | I don't have my wiki account yet so can't fix it myself | 11:00 |
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| RP | joshuagl: can't you create a wiki account? | 11:04 |
| joshuagl | RP: I can, but it needs to be approved iirc | 11:04 |
| joshuagl | s/can/have | 11:04 |
| RP | joshuagl: confirmed | 11:06 |
| joshuagl | thanks RP | 11:10 |
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| rburton | joshuagl: whoops! | 11:14 |
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| joshuagl | zoiks! | 11:28 |
| joshuagl | plenty to dig into there | 11:29 |
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| * rburton fixes fido-next and re-spins for josh | 12:31 | |
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| RP | seebs: around? | 16:10 |
| RP | fray: ? | 16:11 |
| RP | Just noticed a lot of pseudo log files are quite large (hundreds of megabytes) with "dir quasi-mismatch: '/media/build1/poky/build/tmp/work/qemux86-poky-linux/kernel-devsrc/1.0-r0/image/usr/src/kernel/scripts' [9027600] db mode 040755, incoming path had trailing slash. Not unlinking." style warnings | 16:11 |
| kergoth | i've seen a ton of those too | 16:11 |
| kergoth | didn't realize they were hundreds of megs, though, wow | 16:11 |
| RP | kergoth: I actually had a 1.3GB log file in one :/ | 16:12 |
| kergoth | wow | 16:12 |
| kergoth | that's wild | 16:12 |
| bluelightning | quasi-mismatch eh? hmm | 16:12 |
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| RP | kergoth: I think that was triggered by a corrupt pseudo database but there do seem to be a lot of these and they are taking a lot of disk space | 16:13 |
| RP | bluelightning: I was hoping seebs could translate this into english :) | 16:14 |
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| RP | Confusingly, the incoming path did not have a trailing slash but should have | 16:26 |
| RP | The code checks for a mismatch, not an extra slash | 16:26 |
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| RP | as far as I can tell, that test is just too enthusiastic | 17:12 |
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| khem` | pseudo should have a silent mode which is default | 17:29 |
| khem` | most of the times folks dont need them | 17:29 |
| khem` | and when they do it should be easy to turn them on | 17:29 |
| khem` | Somone just showed me the overhead of OE | 17:29 |
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| kergoth | heh, compare a buildroot build to an oe build? | 17:35 |
| * kergoth hasn't done that in a while | 17:35 | |
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| kergoth | interesting approach - https://github.com/oe-lite/core/commit/6daedcce3a2ce2b33210cbc33423cfcad364a96a#diff-f34b8afd0b4436dc43d75dccfbc74812R184 | 17:55 |
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| khem` | kergoth: buildroot | 18:32 |
| khem` | and home grown | 18:32 |
| khem` | python based system | 18:33 |
| kergoth | ah | 18:33 |
| khem` | the speeds are staggerring | 18:33 |
| kergoth | I wonder how many assumptions those are making about the build environment | 18:33 |
| kergoth | much fewer natives to build,i'm guessing | 18:33 |
| khem` | nothng much other than ubuntu 14.04 with some extra packages installed | 18:33 |
| khem` | my sstate is 3.5G minimum per device | 18:34 |
| khem` | now share it with developers across the globe | 18:34 |
| kergoth | between that and defaulting to more features enabled in some of the recipes.. i have a prototype script laying around that automatically disables all packageconfigs with additional dependencies, unless approved, need to see if it actually builds.. | 18:34 |
| kergoth | nice | 18:34 |
| khem` | downloading that file takes 40+ mins in some cases | 18:34 |
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| khem` | A developer did end of end timing from ground zero to him getting everything ready to work on a bug | 18:35 |
| khem` | takes him 5 hours | 18:35 |
| khem` | with OE | 18:35 |
| hb73 | good day, I want to initialize my postgres-database within my yocto image. is there any yocto function that is executed only once when the system boots the first time? | 18:35 |
| khem` | and 30mins with non-OE build | 18:35 |
| khem` | some work on 12 devices | 18:36 |
| khem` | and size rquirements are bloated over the roof | 18:36 |
| khem` | for disk space | 18:36 |
| khem` | facing real practical issues | 18:36 |
| khem` | now I see why SDK makes so much sense | 18:37 |
| kergoth | khem`: damn, that's terrible. wonder what all we can do to improve the situation | 18:37 |
| khem` | provide binary feeds | 18:38 |
| khem` | mechanism | 18:38 |
| khem` | mixed for image bulding | 18:38 |
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| kergoth | package feeds, then create images from them directly? or an sstate mirror? | 18:38 |
| khem` | yeah | 18:38 |
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| kergoth | depends on your needs, i guess. a lot of folks wouldn't get much use out of that since they want to customize, but for others, that'd give them a *fast* baseline to add their own apps to | 18:39 |
| khem` | sstate is big since it have -dev and dbg mixed | 18:39 |
| khem` | most of the times you just need dbg of few packages on target | 18:39 |
| khem` | and -dev almost never | 18:39 |
| hb73 | i want to configure the database, e.g. executing "initdb" and executing my databasescript (plain sql) | 18:40 |
| khem` | I also see a trend where folks dont care for much of full system being debuggable | 18:40 |
| khem` | I have lost that argument | 18:40 |
| khem` | there are memory constraints on devices | 18:41 |
| khem` | you cant debug fully blown QTwebkit | 18:41 |
| khem` | with 100s deep stack trace | 18:41 |
| khem` | it just runs out of memory | 18:41 |
| zeddii | hb73: look up post install scripts. | 18:42 |
| khem` | real image on w/o debug info is 90M but with debug info it goes to 1.3G | 18:43 |
| khem` | some balance is needed | 18:43 |
| kergoth | khem`: split debug fs on host running gdb w/ gdbserver on the target | 18:43 |
| kergoth | works nicely | 18:43 |
| khem` | kergoth: yet it does | 18:43 |
| hb73 | thank you very much zeddii | 18:44 |
| khem` | people still need to download the dbg.rootfs :) | 18:44 |
| kergoth | speaking of, need to get fray's split debug fs patch merged into oe-core | 18:44 |
| kergoth | true | 18:44 |
| khem` | fundamentally system works | 18:44 |
| khem` | but what I have discovered that folks have much higher turnaround time with existing systems | 18:45 |
| kergoth | oe/yocto is fantastic for maintaining long term distros with package management and whatnot, but for a lot of other use cases, it's not so lovely | 18:45 |
| khem` | very true | 18:45 |
| zeddii | hb73. if the docs or examples aren't clear, shout. it's a matter of testing if they are being run during rootfs creation time, and if they are, doing an exit 1. that means they'll be run on first boot. The examples will make that clear. | 18:46 |
| khem` | A prebuilt SDK + way to repackage and image is what will simplify a lot | 18:46 |
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| khem` | I am dealing with application and middleware folks hats here and I completely see their pain when they see a kernel module failed to compile | 18:47 |
| khem` | they dont care for that | 18:48 |
| hb73 | zeddii I will use the approach described here: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.4.2/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#usingpoky-extend-addpkg-postinstalls ("first boot"). That should fit my needs | 18:48 |
| zeddii | that's the one! | 18:51 |
| kergoth | khem`: sounds like the populate_sdk_ext will be of use, since it provides bitbake and locked down sstate | 18:54 |
| kergoth | still probably not tiny, though | 18:54 |
| khem` | I think when we think of scale size matters a lot. its a huge cost | 18:54 |
| khem` | now that I am able to see the numbers | 18:55 |
| khem` | we have SSD drives since we build a lot of stuff | 18:55 |
| khem` | with OE now | 18:55 |
| khem` | so build speed is important too | 18:55 |
| khem` | bunch of things stretching in oppposite directions | 18:56 |
| khem` | if you work on platform software then its a tremendous value for what we have. | 18:57 |
| khem` | unfortunately the ratio probbaly 1:100 when it comes for system devs + app devs | 18:58 |
| khem` | system guys are happy | 18:58 |
| khem` | a small fraction though | 18:58 |
| khem` | an android or iOS SDK model is needed | 19:01 |
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| psidhu | Small question. In conf/bblayers.conf, what exacly is the LCONF_VERSION? I can't seem to find any useful documentation onit. | 21:28 |
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| JEEBsv | more or less internal layer configuration version I guess? | 21:29 |
| psidhu | So kind of useless for a 'user' | 21:30 |
| psidhu | Thanks JEEBsv | 21:30 |
| JEEBsv | more or less, yes | 21:30 |
| JEEBsv | (that said, I'm just a user as well, so this is just what I gathered from looking at things and not having any extra knowledge) | 21:31 |
| psidhu | One more question.. if you have multiple layers (meta-x, meta-y...), and each layer has a machine.conf with the same name, how would you go about choosing one over the other? | 21:32 |
| psidhu | I assume it has to do with BBFILE_PRIORITY_x, but I'm not really seeing the results I expect. | 21:32 |
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| kergoth | psidhu: no, BBFILE_PRIORITY only controls which recipes are preferred and the order bbappends are applied and whatnot | 21:47 |
| kergoth | psidhu: config file / class order is determined by BBPATH, which is in turn determined by the BBLAYERS order, as each layer.conf appends to BBPATH, generally | 21:48 |
| kergoth | The first layer to have a config file will be the one used | 21:48 |
| psidhu | kergoth: thanks for that great explanation. so just put meta-y above meta-x and that's the one that will be chosen in the BBLAYERS variable, right? | 21:51 |
| kergoth | yep | 21:51 |
| psidhu | How funny, but I suppose it makes sense. I always thought of the layers as outside in, didn't realize I was putting meta-y dead last. | 21:52 |
| RP | khem`: FWIW, you can make OE fly if you turn debug info off | 21:54 |
| RP | khem`: I did some serious analysis of buildroot and crosstool verses OE. It comes down to native deps and configuration. Like to like, OE does much better with parallelism | 21:55 |
| RP | but we default to fully featured rather than fast and streamlined (no debugging) | 21:55 |
| RP | I'm very open to ideas about how we reduce disk footprint and improve speed | 21:56 |
| RP | If anyone's noticed, we do track those metrics and I'm about the only one continually trying to do better (e.g. all the hardlinking we do) | 21:56 |
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| khem` | RP: yes | 22:09 |
| khem` | I have done some analysis | 22:09 |
| khem` | too here | 22:09 |
| khem` | sstate for native pieces is approx 300M | 22:10 |
| khem` | that incudes cross tools | 22:10 |
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| khem` | so, I think defaults should be streamlines may be | 22:11 |
| khem` | start using -g1 | 22:11 |
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| khem` | instead of -g | 22:11 |
| khem` | e.g. | 22:11 |
| RP | khem`: I do have http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/commit/?h=rpurdie/t222&id=cbae151b04d1c1c64777806a09fcbfc0ff044bad | 22:12 |
| RP | khem`: that helps a bit with size | 22:12 |
| khem` | yes | 22:12 |
| RP | khem`: need a bit of refactoring to merge that | 22:13 |
| khem` | thats something to try out yes | 22:15 |
| khem` | let me give it a whirl here | 22:15 |
| RP | khem`: my builds are now stable with it, just need to clean up the patch | 22:15 |
| RP | khem`: been trying to clean up my patch queue | 22:16 |
| khem` | ok, I will let you know what I see | 22:16 |
| khem` | with monsters like chromium sstate is just aggrevating | 22:16 |
| khem` | unstripped chrome is 1.6G in size | 22:17 |
| khem` | and we have three copies of it in sstat | 22:17 |
| khem` | for 3 tasks | 22:17 |
| RP | khem`: :( | 22:17 |
| khem` | now think of guys who are working on it and using sstate | 22:17 |
| khem` | and changing chromium everyday | 22:17 |
| RP | khem`: the question is, what else do we do though? | 22:17 |
| RP | khem`: the system is clever enough to know that if you're just building an image, it will grab the right package one or just linking against it, it will just grab the populate_sysroot | 22:18 |
| khem` | RP: due to the geagraphy we have to make a tarred up sstate available | 22:19 |
| khem` | so the size of sstate is still an issue doesnt matter how much its used | 22:20 |
| khem` | most of the requests are like provide standard base linux + tools that seldom change and have friedlier workflow for apps | 22:21 |
| khem` | RP: why is INHIBIT_SYSROOT_STRIP = "1" added to glibc | 22:22 |
| RP | khem`: because we package that separately and it needs to be unstripped | 22:22 |
| RP | khem`: it hit issues if it was | 22:22 |
| RP | khem`: don't remember the exact problem but decided to ignore that one for now | 22:22 |
| RP | khem`: there are patches in that branch which make sstate over http usable | 22:23 |
| khem` | timeouts ? | 22:23 |
| khem` | issues on http | 22:23 |
| khem` | how do you address those | 22:23 |
| RP | khem`: several http connections in parallel and reuse connections | 22:23 |
| khem` | ah i see | 22:24 |
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| RP | khem`: ugly proof of concept code but basically works | 22:24 |
| khem` | undertood | 22:24 |
| RP | khem`: just need to figure out something less ugly | 22:24 |
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| seebs | The quasi-mismatch thing is probably harmless, but I should look at it more closely. | 23:43 |
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