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s54hi guys, i'm wondering why, when i generate a rootfs.ex4, its size can be 1.2G whereas, when mounting the exact file in a directory, the total amount of data represents 805M. Is there some kind of alignement?08:26
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rburtons54: empty space08:28
rburtonyou can't boot a 100% full file system, rootfs are generated with a bit of slack so you can use them08:28
rburtonalso depending on how you measured 805M, block size may be relevant08:28
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gtristanSo I presume this is a decent place to ask about poky ?15:14
RPgtristan: yes15:15
gtristanI have been trying to build poky (https://www.yoctoproject.org/downloads/yocto-project) from the jethro branch... trying to basically native build on aarch6415:15
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gtristanIs this something that is relatively tested, do people do this ?15:16
boucman_workmy guess would be that aarch is mainly tested in a cross-compile situation... what kind of erros do you get ?15:16
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RPgtristan: most people run the builds on x86 hardware. Building directly on aarch64 isn't tested afaik15:16
RPgtristan: in theory it could be made to work but I've not seen such patches15:17
gtristanI see15:17
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gtristanboucman_work, I've seen a couple errors so far, one of them was that I needed to split gcc-cross-initial.inc do_compile() into 2 separate makes... it seems for some reason make all-gcc configure-target-libgcc doesnt sort itself out so that configuring libgcc is only done after the in-tree gcc is built15:21
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gtristananother was when configuring glibc localedef (cross-localedef-native I think)... needed to have --build=arm-64-linux to pass configure15:22
gtristanand then I hit another which was a failure to apply a patch15:22
gtristanwell, in any case, this clears things up a bit; I was worried that I was trying to build the wrong thing or such, but if it's not known at all to build from aarch64 then I suppose this is normal15:24
gtristanI will either A.) Find an alternative or B.) Return with those patches :)15:24
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boucman_workcan't you cross compile on x86 ? (asking as a curious bystander, mainly)15:25
vmesongtristan: what distro is on your arm64 builder? (just curious)15:26
gtristanvmeson, its an Ubuntu 16.04 distro15:27
gtristanboucman_work, I theoretically could do that to prepare the base runtime environment yes, it's one of the things I'll have to consider15:29
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gtristanonce the base runtime is built, we shove it into an ostree repo and build against that output, that part we would prefer to do in a native way15:32
khemat one point Marcin tried to build it on fedora/aarch6415:32
khemIIRC he succeeded15:32
gtristanso I guess that base runtime could be built from somewhere else15:32
khembut mainly we use x86 based machines for build15:32
khemwe might have regressed15:32
gtristanYeah we actually tried to run Fedora but for now there is no support for the m400 cartridge (board) until F2415:33
khemare you building aarch64 on aarch6415:33
khemif its native builds15:34
khemyou can use other frameworks too15:34
gtristanYes, and also plan to build armv7 on aarch6415:34
khemOE/Yocto rocks on cross builds15:34
khemwhen build host != target15:34
khemwhat are you needing to build ?15:35
khemor full platform15:35
gtristansomething in between the both of those :)15:35
khemexplain a bit more15:35
gtristanSo yeah a whole runtime platform and also app "bundles"15:36
gtristanwhich are like apps but with some dependencies packaged together15:36
khemsomething like container ?15:36
gtristanso there is a versioned runtime environment which goes down to glibc/gcc runtimes, then there are SDK runtimes which sit on top of that, and bundles15:36
gtristanyes, it's for the xdg-app project15:37
khemYou could just use something like lxc or docker15:37
khemno ?15:37
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khemessentially I understand that you are are like a statically linked app15:40
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gtristankhem, indeed, we can certainly use something else, I just have to take some time to consider which approach is right and talk it through with the others15:40
rburton1shush we like xdg-app15:40
rburton1as they use yocto15:40
gtristanhehe :)15:40
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khemwhile I intend for world dominion .. sometimes it may not be right thing15:41
khemgtristan: if you were doing cross builds then it would be ideal to use Yocto to generate feeds15:42
khemand use them15:42
rburton1afaiu, xdg-app basically builds an environment using OE which contains the base platform15:42
khemwe can generate container images using OE for such usecases yes15:43
khemor if you are using same architecture across build and run host15:43
khemother infras become interesting15:43
rburton1gtristan: basically, aarch64 as a host *should* work out of the box, if it doesn't its a bug and patches are welcome.15:44
rburton1obviously until aarch64 actually existed there wasn't a real alternative to x86 hosts, so it was never tested15:44
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riz__I am having trouble adding x11 to IMAGE_FEATURES for the image core-image-base. When I do the boot freezes immediately with no error messages. Is there a conflict that I do not know about between x11 and core-image-base?15:46
davisrburton1: so I tried various patches with with poky 2.0 to get qemu-native to build and it failed. I tried the 2.0.1 tarball it failed. Now, I have tried the git clone with jethro branch and it fails as well. libSDL devel not found even though its installed.15:47
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davisI see the praticallity of kergoth's approach to simply comment out the requirement as valid.15:47
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rburton1riz__: core-image-base boots to a console, so if you want graphics look at core-image-x11 for examples16:02
rburton1davis: sounds like you've still got an assume provided =libsdl-native still in your local.conf, the git branch will build its own libsdl-native and not use the hosts16:03
riz__rburton: Thanks. I guess that is what I am misunderstanding. I don't mind booting to a console, but I just want it to run a sample Qt application. Can I not add the x11 feature from a console without having a desktop UI based image?16:04
riz__Eventually I just want to boot straight to my application16:04
rburton1well to be honest base + x11 bits should boot into x16:04
rburton1so if you want more help you'll have to say what the problem is instead of "it breaks"16:05
riz__Once it boots it says "booting..." and just stays there16:05
kergoththere is an x11 base image feature16:06
riz__There are no error messages16:06
kergothalso not sure what you mean by 'desktop UI based image', but core-image-x11 isn't gnome :)16:06
* kergoth yawns16:06
riz__Maybe I didnt understand what core-image-x11 is. What would be the difference between that and core-image-base + x11?16:07
rburton1riz__: looking at the recipe shows the difference is adding x11-base to IMAGE_FEATURES16:07
riz__Right. Which I have done. And then it freezes16:08
riz__I will try again just to make sure the image wasnt corrupted16:08
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riz__Btw, who here was at YDD? It would be nice to know the faces behind the names haha16:10
* fray presented in the advanced class on PR Server and useradd stuff16:11
riz__Ahh. I was front row in the beginner class16:12
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belenriz__: belen did the Toaster demo :)16:12
riz__Oh lol. I remember you. There wa sa slight hiccup with the projector :)16:13
belenriz__: yes, that thing crashed my laptop.16:14
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billrriz__: for testing, make sure you boot into a standard text console, rather than X. if not using systemd, this would be in /etc/inittab.  If using systemd, it has a different mechanism for setting tunlevels.16:14
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riz__billr: Are you referring to booting directly to my app?16:16
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billrriz__: no - just booting into a regular login/shell prompt. Often, when X is installed, the runlevel is changed to try and start X on boot. You don't want that for now.16:17
riz__Oh. You are saying that could be the cause for it freezing?16:18
riz__Ill look into that16:18
billrYes. It often is. If there's video driver problems, it can hang the system. I've been that route many times. :)16:19
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riz__billr: Awesome. Thanks!16:23
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billrriz__: if that works, and you get normal login window, then you can try starting X manually from the command line to see what happens. Also, if /var/log is persistent on your target, look for /var/log/Xorg.0.log which will be the X11 log and give much useful information.16:26
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riz__billr: Will do16:27
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billrriz__: good luck, and let us know how it goes.16:29
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billrriz__: you're welcome. I spent many years writing X11 video drivers, so I've been through it a few times. :)16:31
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riz__billr: This might be a dumb question, but how is it tied to EGLFS, specifically in terms of runnning Qt apps? Basically I am seeing that x11 is needed to run example apps, but I thought that they were separate.16:33
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rburton1riz__: define it.  if surely if you're using EGL you don't need x11?16:34
billrriz__: Qt is just an application toolkit that runs on top of X.16:34
billrriz__: unless it's built to run on top of SDL...16:34
billrwhich it often is, in embedded systems, in which case as ross says, you don't need X.\16:35
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riz__Well I know for certain boards (e.g. wanboard) you need to remove x11 for certain examples to work.16:35
billrI could see where Qt+SDL could conflict with X11.16:37
billrif they're both trying to talk to the video h/w16:38
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riz__I see16:38
riz__I have some reading to do16:38
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billrriz__: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/embedded-linux.html (if you haven't already read it)16:43
riz__billr: I did read it. I didn;t fully understand it, but I am learning as we go. I dont knownhow to determine whether x11 is required or not.16:45
billrriz__: when using Qt5 and EGLFS, and an application built for Qt5 X11 should not be required. If you have other example apps that don't use Qt and use some other X toolkit, then you would likely need X11. One way to determine is to run 'ldd' on the application and see if it requires libX11.so.16:50
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billrriz__: that's my understanding, at least. I've not personally used EGLFS before.16:51
riz__billr: Right. ldd might be useful for me to try now.16:53
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davisrburton1: I noticed the conf file had that line commented out in a similar fashion to one of the patches.17:17
davisrburton1: i deleted my entire work dir and I am retrying it again.17:18
davisperhaps i had some artifacts left around.17:18
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davisactually I went back to double check. I did have it still in the normal build dir. the vendor one .build where I edited it. was overwritten.17:22
davismy mistake. i'm going to restart it once more with a removed build/.build dir17:22
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davisdavis@lemonvo:~/progs/tiotop/stream/unpack/packages/src/build/.build-yocto$ grep ASSUME ../conf/local.conf17:25
davis#JFD ASSUME_PROVIDED += "libsdl-native"17:25
davissee how it goes this time.17:25
riz__billr: Have you ever run into the problem where you run an app using EGL and it says "Could not open display"?17:26
kergothdavis: just run bitbake -e | grep ASSUME_PROVIDED= and make sure libsdl-native isn't listed17:27
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davissounds good. i'll give it a shot.17:27
kergothbitbake -e is always the best way to make sure variables are set the way you think they are17:28
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davisbtw, I heard at the dev day that bitbake -f foo is bad practice. Is the preferred way to delete a timestamp or something to rebuild a completed step?17:28
billrriz__: not directly, but typically, with X11, that means the xserver could not properly configure the video h/w or the xserver is not running.17:28
kergoth-f foo won't actually do anything17:28
kergoth-f without -c will be almost entirely useless17:29
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davishmm. ok this is weird17:29
davisi stopped the build and did as you suggested17:29
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davisim going to make a pastebin17:30
billrriz__: did you mean EGLFS? There can be a difference between something built for EGL and something built for EGLFS.17:31
riz__Yes, sorry. EGLFS17:31
kergothI don't see a problem there17:33
kergothlibsdl-native isn't in ASSUME_PROVIDED17:33
kergothbitbake -e shows all the metadata, including functions. all the lines but the ASSUME_PROVIDED= are parts of functions17:33
kergothwhich is why i said grep ASSUME_PROVIDED=, not grep ASSUME_PROVIDED17:34
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billrriz__: environment variable QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG - When set, some debugging information is printed on the debug output. For example, the input QSurfaceFormat and the properties of the chosen EGL configuration are printed while creating a new context. Together with Qt Quick's QSG_INFO variable, this can provide useful information for troubleshooting issues related to the EGL configuration.17:34
davismy bad17:35
riz__billr: Where do I set these environmnet variables?17:35
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daviskergoth: how about qmeu-native was in assume profivded but the qemu binares cant be found in the path bit?17:36
billrSet it from the shell before starting your app. E.g., QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG=1 myapp or export QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG=1; myapp17:37
kergothyes.. did you not see the fact that that's not actually an error message?17:37
kergothit's a line of code, insdie a function call17:37
kergothASSUME_PROVIDED="bzip2-native chrpath-native file-native git-native grep-native diffstat-native patch-native perl-native-runtime python-native-runtime tar-native virtual/libintl-native texinfo-native bash-native sed-native "17:37
kergothis the only line that matters in that17:37
kergothand the fact that it doesn't have libsdl-native17:38
riz__billr: Is there anyway of settig this from the poky build such as its config file?17:38
davisno kergoth I did not know it was a message. I thought the -e was for environment. I thought eh line17:40
davisstatus.addresult("qemu-native was in ASSUME_PROVIDED but the QEMU binaries (qemu-arm) can't be found in PATH")17:40
billrriz__: I believe so (adding it to a system-wide rc file), but I'm sure off the top of my head how it would be done.17:40
daviswas a stack trace or something from bitbake running.17:40
billr^sure^not sure^17:41
riz__billr: I actually did an ldd on the app and saw that it does depend on libX11.so, so I have to see what about x11 is freezing my image using the method you mentioned before prior to moving on.17:41
kergothlike i said, that was grepped out of hte contents of functions17:41
kergoth[10:33:48]  <kergoth>bitbake -e shows all the metadata, including functions. all the lines but the ASSUME_PROVIDED= are parts of functions17:41
davisit has a message line in the envirnement?17:41
kergothif you want to see it in context, run bitbake -e | less and search for ASSUME_PROVIDED17:41
davishmm. it has an entire python function in there. multiple ones in fact.17:42
kergothyes, which is what i've told you like 3 times now17:43
kergothbitbake -e dumps all metadata, including functions17:43
davislol, i'm slow. I missed that. I thought -e was environent as in bash variables. I did not know it is the python environment.17:44
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khemhmm so I have git18:47
khemdisappear a branch18:47
khembut I do have it as tarball on pre mirror18:48
khemshould git fetcher get it to me18:48
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paulgassuming some rogue script deleted it ; the commits will still be there, and if they are in your scrollback history from a "git show" or similar, you can just check it out18:58
paulggit checkout -b branchname  <commit ID>18:58
paulgnote that the above won't restore any upstream tracking info tho.18:58
paulgif someone deleted it and then did a garbage collect,  _then_ it may be really gone, gone.18:59
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paulgalso the file .git/FETCH_HEAD may list the commit ID of the vanished branch19:00
paulgbasically it is really hard to permanently vanish a branch ; you have to work at it ; which is a good thing most times...   :)19:01
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riz__billr: OK, got it working. I saw the dependency on x11, but when using x11 in IMAGE_FEATURES it froze as I said. When using x11_base in image features it worked for some reason. Next thing to do is to understand why :)19:14
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billrriz__: happy to hear you got it working! I think the key is, just saying "x11" is not sufficient because it doesn't really pull in all the dependencies required to get a running system, whereas x11_base forces a bunch of other packages to be included.19:32
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riz__billr: Yup, its what I figured, but I am gonna dive deeper so I understand what those dependencies are.19:34
riz__Thanks for the help today!19:34
billrriz__: you're quite welcome, glad I was able to help19:35
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riz__Where in yocto do I set the kernel configuration variables such as "CONFIG_INPUT_INPUT = y" to enable uinput?20:08
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igorriz__: via bbappend on kernel recipe20:09
igorif you look at linux-yocto_xx.bb you will see some .cfg and .scc files20:10
igoryou can set the options by adding this files20:10
riz__Right. I see the functionality flags20:11
riz__so I make a linux-yocto_xx.bbappend and I can just set the variable there?20:11
igoror you can use the variable KERNEL_EXTRA_FEATURES20:11
davisriz i'm not an expert, but it appears you are using a yocto kernel so you can use kernel fragments20:11
igoryou can look at yocto kernel repository20:12
davisyou can create a dir with a file in it for your specific kernel config mods20:12
igorand see if your options is already in a kernel_extra_feature20:12
riz__OK. Let me explore the options. Brb20:13
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igorriz__: you can look at https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/linux-yocto-3.14/tree/meta/cfg/kernel-cache?h=meta20:20
igoryou can see all features20:21
igorso you can see if there is already a feature with the options that you want20:21
igorread the 00-README file20:21
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riz__OK, thanks!20:22
davisyay! my new build is at the stage for qemu-native and its compiling.20:23
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riz__igor: how do you check the kernel configurations to make sure the configuration yuo actually set is taken?20:36
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igorI never looked it20:38
igorbut I guess you can see it at build/tmp/work/.../linux-yocto...20:38
igorthe source code shoud be there20:38
igorso you can look at the .config file20:38
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bluelightningriz__: check the value of STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR then look in that directory for .config20:46
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bluelightningriz__: a quick way to get that is bitbake -e | grep ^STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR=20:46
riz__great. I'll try now20:48
gtristanwell... I think we're off the ground for the aarch64 native builds, hit a few errors and am quite sure that most of my patches for those problems are wrong... but it's a start20:52
gtristanone thing that baffles me, is the recent addition of a patch against make 4.1, fails to apply20:53
gtristanthat should certainly have nothing to do with building poky on aarch6420:54
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riz__bluelightning: I got "STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR="/home/ryan/development/custom-build/tmp/work-shared/minnowboard/kernel-build-artifacts""20:55
riz__But there is no .config in it20:55
bluelightningriz__: has your kernel actually been built?20:56
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bluelightninghmm, then it should be there...20:56
bluelightningfailing that, you can look at the one in the workdir for the kernel recipe as igor suggested20:57
bluelightningbitbake -e virtual/kernel | grep ^B=20:57
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bluelightning(B being the directory where the recipe gets built)20:58
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igorfind build/tmp/work -name linux-yocto20:59
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riz__Yeah, nothing in there either21:00
riz__Am I missing something21:00
riz__When I bitbake my image, doesnt the linux-yocto kernel build?21:01
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bluelightninghave you enabled 'rm_work' by any chance?21:01
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riz__bluelightning: Ahhhh. You got it21:05
riz__I forgot that I did that21:05
bluelightningwell that would explain why the workdir doesn't have that file in it21:06
bluelightningodd that it's missing from STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR though21:07
kergothHmm, anyone know why archiver's do_unpack_and_patch is set to run after do_patch, but then runs do_unpack and do_patch itself? it seems like this would result in the diff_gz generation missing new files that were added by do_patch, since that ran before it, and re-running do_unpack will overwrite files, but doesn't wipe S first..21:08
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kergothor am i missing something?21:08
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riz__It still doesnt have the filw21:12
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RPkergoth: archiver seems a bit messy :/21:21
RPkergoth: given the other bugs I've found recently, I'm not surprised shall we say21:21
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bluelightningkergoth: I think the thinking was that if the archiver comes along at any time afterwards (e.g. after compilation) it can't be sure the sources are completely clean21:27
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kergothbluelightning: right, but shouldn't it run *before* do_unpack so it can capture S to S.orig before the patch is applied, rather than trying to undo it incompletely after the fact?21:32
kergothit runs after do_patch, but then runs do_unpack and do_patch and diffs the unpacked tree to th epatched tree at that point21:32
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igorriz__: you must cleansstate and build the linux-yocto again21:43
igorafter remove rm_work21:43
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riz__oh ok21:43
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kergotharchiver seems to get real unhappy combined with externalsrc/devtool :)21:58
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-YoctoAutoBuilder- build #135 of nightly-checkuri is complete: Failure [failed BuildImages] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-checkuri/builds/13522:17
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