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| s54 | hi guys, i'm wondering why, when i generate a rootfs.ex4, its size can be 1.2G whereas, when mounting the exact file in a directory, the total amount of data represents 805M. Is there some kind of alignement? | 08:26 |
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| rburton | s54: empty space | 08:28 |
| rburton | you can't boot a 100% full file system, rootfs are generated with a bit of slack so you can use them | 08:28 |
| rburton | also depending on how you measured 805M, block size may be relevant | 08:28 |
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| davis | hello | 12:58 |
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| gtristan | So I presume this is a decent place to ask about poky ? | 15:14 |
| RP | gtristan: yes | 15:15 |
| gtristan | I have been trying to build poky (https://www.yoctoproject.org/downloads/yocto-project) from the jethro branch... trying to basically native build on aarch64 | 15:15 |
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| gtristan | Is this something that is relatively tested, do people do this ? | 15:16 |
| boucman_work | my guess would be that aarch is mainly tested in a cross-compile situation... what kind of erros do you get ? | 15:16 |
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| RP | gtristan: most people run the builds on x86 hardware. Building directly on aarch64 isn't tested afaik | 15:16 |
| RP | gtristan: in theory it could be made to work but I've not seen such patches | 15:17 |
| gtristan | I see | 15:17 |
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| gtristan | boucman_work, I've seen a couple errors so far, one of them was that I needed to split gcc-cross-initial.inc do_compile() into 2 separate makes... it seems for some reason make all-gcc configure-target-libgcc doesnt sort itself out so that configuring libgcc is only done after the in-tree gcc is built | 15:21 |
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| gtristan | another was when configuring glibc localedef (cross-localedef-native I think)... needed to have --build=arm-64-linux to pass configure | 15:22 |
| gtristan | and then I hit another which was a failure to apply a patch | 15:22 |
| gtristan | well, in any case, this clears things up a bit; I was worried that I was trying to build the wrong thing or such, but if it's not known at all to build from aarch64 then I suppose this is normal | 15:24 |
| gtristan | I will either A.) Find an alternative or B.) Return with those patches :) | 15:24 |
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| boucman_work | :) | 15:25 |
| boucman_work | can't you cross compile on x86 ? (asking as a curious bystander, mainly) | 15:25 |
| vmeson | gtristan: what distro is on your arm64 builder? (just curious) | 15:26 |
| gtristan | vmeson, its an Ubuntu 16.04 distro | 15:27 |
| gtristan | boucman_work, I theoretically could do that to prepare the base runtime environment yes, it's one of the things I'll have to consider | 15:29 |
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| gtristan | once the base runtime is built, we shove it into an ostree repo and build against that output, that part we would prefer to do in a native way | 15:32 |
| khem | at one point Marcin tried to build it on fedora/aarch64 | 15:32 |
| khem | IIRC he succeeded | 15:32 |
| gtristan | so I guess that base runtime could be built from somewhere else | 15:32 |
| khem | but mainly we use x86 based machines for build | 15:32 |
| khem | we might have regressed | 15:32 |
| gtristan | Yeah we actually tried to run Fedora but for now there is no support for the m400 cartridge (board) until F24 | 15:33 |
| khem | are you building aarch64 on aarch64 | 15:33 |
| khem | if its native builds | 15:34 |
| khem | you can use other frameworks too | 15:34 |
| gtristan | Yes, and also plan to build armv7 on aarch64 | 15:34 |
| khem | OE/Yocto rocks on cross builds | 15:34 |
| khem | when build host != target | 15:34 |
| khem | what are you needing to build ? | 15:35 |
| khem | apps | 15:35 |
| khem | or full platform | 15:35 |
| gtristan | something in between the both of those :) | 15:35 |
| khem | explain a bit more | 15:35 |
| gtristan | So yeah a whole runtime platform and also app "bundles" | 15:36 |
| gtristan | which are like apps but with some dependencies packaged together | 15:36 |
| khem | OK | 15:36 |
| khem | something like container ? | 15:36 |
| gtristan | so there is a versioned runtime environment which goes down to glibc/gcc runtimes, then there are SDK runtimes which sit on top of that, and bundles | 15:36 |
| gtristan | yes, it's for the xdg-app project | 15:37 |
| khem | You could just use something like lxc or docker | 15:37 |
| khem | no ? | 15:37 |
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| khem | essentially I understand that you are are like a statically linked app | 15:40 |
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| gtristan | khem, indeed, we can certainly use something else, I just have to take some time to consider which approach is right and talk it through with the others | 15:40 |
| rburton1 | shush we like xdg-app | 15:40 |
| rburton1 | as they use yocto | 15:40 |
| rburton1 | \o/ | 15:40 |
| gtristan | hehe :) | 15:40 |
| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #462 of nightly-world-lsb is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-world-lsb/builds/462 | 15:40 | |
| khem | while I intend for world dominion .. sometimes it may not be right thing | 15:41 |
| khem | :) | 15:41 |
| khem | gtristan: if you were doing cross builds then it would be ideal to use Yocto to generate feeds | 15:42 |
| zeddii_home | :D | 15:42 |
| khem | and use them | 15:42 |
| rburton1 | afaiu, xdg-app basically builds an environment using OE which contains the base platform | 15:42 |
| khem | we can generate container images using OE for such usecases yes | 15:43 |
| khem | or if you are using same architecture across build and run host | 15:43 |
| khem | other infras become interesting | 15:43 |
| rburton1 | gtristan: basically, aarch64 as a host *should* work out of the box, if it doesn't its a bug and patches are welcome. | 15:44 |
| rburton1 | obviously until aarch64 actually existed there wasn't a real alternative to x86 hosts, so it was never tested | 15:44 |
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| riz__ | I am having trouble adding x11 to IMAGE_FEATURES for the image core-image-base. When I do the boot freezes immediately with no error messages. Is there a conflict that I do not know about between x11 and core-image-base? | 15:46 |
| davis | rburton1: so I tried various patches with with poky 2.0 to get qemu-native to build and it failed. I tried the 2.0.1 tarball it failed. Now, I have tried the git clone with jethro branch and it fails as well. libSDL devel not found even though its installed. | 15:47 |
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| davis | I see the praticallity of kergoth's approach to simply comment out the requirement as valid. | 15:47 |
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| rburton1 | riz__: core-image-base boots to a console, so if you want graphics look at core-image-x11 for examples | 16:02 |
| rburton1 | davis: sounds like you've still got an assume provided =libsdl-native still in your local.conf, the git branch will build its own libsdl-native and not use the hosts | 16:03 |
| riz__ | rburton: Thanks. I guess that is what I am misunderstanding. I don't mind booting to a console, but I just want it to run a sample Qt application. Can I not add the x11 feature from a console without having a desktop UI based image? | 16:04 |
| riz__ | Eventually I just want to boot straight to my application | 16:04 |
| rburton1 | well to be honest base + x11 bits should boot into x | 16:04 |
| rburton1 | so if you want more help you'll have to say what the problem is instead of "it breaks" | 16:05 |
| riz__ | Once it boots it says "booting..." and just stays there | 16:05 |
| kergoth | there is an x11 base image feature | 16:06 |
| riz__ | There are no error messages | 16:06 |
| kergoth | also not sure what you mean by 'desktop UI based image', but core-image-x11 isn't gnome :) | 16:06 |
| * kergoth yawns | 16:06 | |
| riz__ | Maybe I didnt understand what core-image-x11 is. What would be the difference between that and core-image-base + x11? | 16:07 |
| khem | davis: | 16:07 |
| rburton1 | riz__: looking at the recipe shows the difference is adding x11-base to IMAGE_FEATURES | 16:07 |
| riz__ | Right. Which I have done. And then it freezes | 16:08 |
| riz__ | I will try again just to make sure the image wasnt corrupted | 16:08 |
| riz__ | Brb | 16:08 |
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| riz__ | Btw, who here was at YDD? It would be nice to know the faces behind the names haha | 16:10 |
| * fray presented in the advanced class on PR Server and useradd stuff | 16:11 | |
| riz__ | Ahh. I was front row in the beginner class | 16:12 |
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| belen | riz__: belen did the Toaster demo :) | 16:12 |
| riz__ | Oh lol. I remember you. There wa sa slight hiccup with the projector :) | 16:13 |
| belen | riz__: yes, that thing crashed my laptop. | 16:14 |
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| billr | riz__: for testing, make sure you boot into a standard text console, rather than X. if not using systemd, this would be in /etc/inittab. If using systemd, it has a different mechanism for setting tunlevels. | 16:14 |
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| riz__ | billr: Are you referring to booting directly to my app? | 16:16 |
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| billr | riz__: no - just booting into a regular login/shell prompt. Often, when X is installed, the runlevel is changed to try and start X on boot. You don't want that for now. | 16:17 |
| riz__ | Oh. You are saying that could be the cause for it freezing? | 16:18 |
| riz__ | Ill look into that | 16:18 |
| billr | Yes. It often is. If there's video driver problems, it can hang the system. I've been that route many times. :) | 16:19 |
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| riz__ | billr: Awesome. Thanks! | 16:23 |
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| billr | riz__: if that works, and you get normal login window, then you can try starting X manually from the command line to see what happens. Also, if /var/log is persistent on your target, look for /var/log/Xorg.0.log which will be the X11 log and give much useful information. | 16:26 |
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| riz__ | billr: Will do | 16:27 |
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| billr | riz__: good luck, and let us know how it goes. | 16:29 |
| riz__ | thanks! | 16:29 |
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| billr | riz__: you're welcome. I spent many years writing X11 video drivers, so I've been through it a few times. :) | 16:31 |
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| riz__ | billr: This might be a dumb question, but how is it tied to EGLFS, specifically in terms of runnning Qt apps? Basically I am seeing that x11 is needed to run example apps, but I thought that they were separate. | 16:33 |
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| rburton1 | riz__: define it. if surely if you're using EGL you don't need x11? | 16:34 |
| billr | riz__: Qt is just an application toolkit that runs on top of X. | 16:34 |
| billr | riz__: unless it's built to run on top of SDL... | 16:34 |
| billr | which it often is, in embedded systems, in which case as ross says, you don't need X.\ | 16:35 |
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| riz__ | Well I know for certain boards (e.g. wanboard) you need to remove x11 for certain examples to work. | 16:35 |
| billr | I could see where Qt+SDL could conflict with X11. | 16:37 |
| billr | if they're both trying to talk to the video h/w | 16:38 |
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| riz__ | I see | 16:38 |
| riz__ | I have some reading to do | 16:38 |
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| billr | riz__: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/embedded-linux.html (if you haven't already read it) | 16:43 |
| riz__ | billr: I did read it. I didn;t fully understand it, but I am learning as we go. I dont knownhow to determine whether x11 is required or not. | 16:45 |
| billr | riz__: when using Qt5 and EGLFS, and an application built for Qt5 X11 should not be required. If you have other example apps that don't use Qt and use some other X toolkit, then you would likely need X11. One way to determine is to run 'ldd' on the application and see if it requires libX11.so. | 16:50 |
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| billr | riz__: that's my understanding, at least. I've not personally used EGLFS before. | 16:51 |
| riz__ | billr: Right. ldd might be useful for me to try now. | 16:53 |
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| davis | rburton1: I noticed the conf file had that line commented out in a similar fashion to one of the patches. | 17:17 |
| davis | rburton1: i deleted my entire work dir and I am retrying it again. | 17:18 |
| davis | perhaps i had some artifacts left around. | 17:18 |
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| davis | actually I went back to double check. I did have it still in the normal build dir. the vendor one .build where I edited it. was overwritten. | 17:22 |
| davis | my mistake. i'm going to restart it once more with a removed build/.build dir | 17:22 |
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| davis | davis@lemonvo:~/progs/tiotop/stream/unpack/packages/src/build/.build-yocto$ grep ASSUME ../conf/local.conf | 17:25 |
| davis | #JFD ASSUME_PROVIDED += "libsdl-native" | 17:25 |
| davis | see how it goes this time. | 17:25 |
| riz__ | billr: Have you ever run into the problem where you run an app using EGL and it says "Could not open display"? | 17:26 |
| kergoth | davis: just run bitbake -e | grep ASSUME_PROVIDED= and make sure libsdl-native isn't listed | 17:27 |
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| davis | sounds good. i'll give it a shot. | 17:27 |
| kergoth | bitbake -e is always the best way to make sure variables are set the way you think they are | 17:28 |
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| davis | btw, I heard at the dev day that bitbake -f foo is bad practice. Is the preferred way to delete a timestamp or something to rebuild a completed step? | 17:28 |
| billr | riz__: not directly, but typically, with X11, that means the xserver could not properly configure the video h/w or the xserver is not running. | 17:28 |
| kergoth | -f foo won't actually do anything | 17:28 |
| kergoth | -f without -c will be almost entirely useless | 17:29 |
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| davis | hmm. ok this is weird | 17:29 |
| davis | i stopped the build and did as you suggested | 17:29 |
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| davis | im going to make a pastebin | 17:30 |
| billr | riz__: did you mean EGLFS? There can be a difference between something built for EGL and something built for EGLFS. | 17:31 |
| riz__ | Yes, sorry. EGLFS | 17:31 |
| davis | https://gist.github.com/netskink/11a91afa7cc0d0869e77ca0c01e91db2 | 17:32 |
| kergoth | I don't see a problem there | 17:33 |
| kergoth | libsdl-native isn't in ASSUME_PROVIDED | 17:33 |
| kergoth | bitbake -e shows all the metadata, including functions. all the lines but the ASSUME_PROVIDED= are parts of functions | 17:33 |
| kergoth | which is why i said grep ASSUME_PROVIDED=, not grep ASSUME_PROVIDED | 17:34 |
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| billr | riz__: environment variable QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG - When set, some debugging information is printed on the debug output. For example, the input QSurfaceFormat and the properties of the chosen EGL configuration are printed while creating a new context. Together with Qt Quick's QSG_INFO variable, this can provide useful information for troubleshooting issues related to the EGL configuration. | 17:34 |
| davis | my bad | 17:35 |
| riz__ | billr: Where do I set these environmnet variables? | 17:35 |
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| davis | kergoth: how about qmeu-native was in assume profivded but the qemu binares cant be found in the path bit? | 17:36 |
| billr | Set it from the shell before starting your app. E.g., QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG=1 myapp or export QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEBUG=1; myapp | 17:37 |
| kergoth | yes.. did you not see the fact that that's not actually an error message? | 17:37 |
| kergoth | it's a line of code, insdie a function call | 17:37 |
| kergoth | 'status.addresult("qemu' | 17:37 |
| kergoth | ASSUME_PROVIDED="bzip2-native chrpath-native file-native git-native grep-native diffstat-native patch-native perl-native-runtime python-native-runtime tar-native virtual/libintl-native texinfo-native bash-native sed-native " | 17:37 |
| kergoth | is the only line that matters in that | 17:37 |
| kergoth | and the fact that it doesn't have libsdl-native | 17:38 |
| riz__ | billr: Is there anyway of settig this from the poky build such as its config file? | 17:38 |
| davis | no kergoth I did not know it was a message. I thought the -e was for environment. I thought eh line | 17:40 |
| davis | status.addresult("qemu-native was in ASSUME_PROVIDED but the QEMU binaries (qemu-arm) can't be found in PATH") | 17:40 |
| billr | riz__: I believe so (adding it to a system-wide rc file), but I'm sure off the top of my head how it would be done. | 17:40 |
| davis | was a stack trace or something from bitbake running. | 17:40 |
| kergoth | nope | 17:41 |
| billr | ^sure^not sure^ | 17:41 |
| riz__ | billr: I actually did an ldd on the app and saw that it does depend on libX11.so, so I have to see what about x11 is freezing my image using the method you mentioned before prior to moving on. | 17:41 |
| kergoth | like i said, that was grepped out of hte contents of functions | 17:41 |
| kergoth | [10:33:48] <kergoth>bitbake -e shows all the metadata, including functions. all the lines but the ASSUME_PROVIDED= are parts of functions | 17:41 |
| davis | it has a message line in the envirnement? | 17:41 |
| kergoth | if you want to see it in context, run bitbake -e | less and search for ASSUME_PROVIDED | 17:41 |
| davis | hmm. it has an entire python function in there. multiple ones in fact. | 17:42 |
| kergoth | yes, which is what i've told you like 3 times now | 17:43 |
| kergoth | bitbake -e dumps all metadata, including functions | 17:43 |
| davis | lol, i'm slow. I missed that. I thought -e was environent as in bash variables. I did not know it is the python environment. | 17:44 |
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| khem | hmm so I have git | 18:47 |
| khem | repo | 18:47 |
| khem | disappear a branch | 18:47 |
| khem | but I do have it as tarball on pre mirror | 18:48 |
| khem | should git fetcher get it to me | 18:48 |
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| paulg | assuming some rogue script deleted it ; the commits will still be there, and if they are in your scrollback history from a "git show" or similar, you can just check it out | 18:58 |
| paulg | git checkout -b branchname <commit ID> | 18:58 |
| paulg | note that the above won't restore any upstream tracking info tho. | 18:58 |
| paulg | if someone deleted it and then did a garbage collect, _then_ it may be really gone, gone. | 18:59 |
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| paulg | also the file .git/FETCH_HEAD may list the commit ID of the vanished branch | 19:00 |
| paulg | basically it is really hard to permanently vanish a branch ; you have to work at it ; which is a good thing most times... :) | 19:01 |
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| riz__ | billr: OK, got it working. I saw the dependency on x11, but when using x11 in IMAGE_FEATURES it froze as I said. When using x11_base in image features it worked for some reason. Next thing to do is to understand why :) | 19:14 |
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| billr | riz__: happy to hear you got it working! I think the key is, just saying "x11" is not sufficient because it doesn't really pull in all the dependencies required to get a running system, whereas x11_base forces a bunch of other packages to be included. | 19:32 |
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| riz__ | billr: Yup, its what I figured, but I am gonna dive deeper so I understand what those dependencies are. | 19:34 |
| riz__ | Thanks for the help today! | 19:34 |
| billr | riz__: you're quite welcome, glad I was able to help | 19:35 |
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| riz__ | Where in yocto do I set the kernel configuration variables such as "CONFIG_INPUT_INPUT = y" to enable uinput? | 20:08 |
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| igor | riz__: via bbappend on kernel recipe | 20:09 |
| igor | if you look at linux-yocto_xx.bb you will see some .cfg and .scc files | 20:10 |
| igor | you can set the options by adding this files | 20:10 |
| riz__ | Right. I see the functionality flags | 20:11 |
| riz__ | so I make a linux-yocto_xx.bbappend and I can just set the variable there? | 20:11 |
| igor | or you can use the variable KERNEL_EXTRA_FEATURES | 20:11 |
| davis | riz i'm not an expert, but it appears you are using a yocto kernel so you can use kernel fragments | 20:11 |
| igor | you can look at yocto kernel repository | 20:12 |
| davis | you can create a dir with a file in it for your specific kernel config mods | 20:12 |
| igor | and see if your options is already in a kernel_extra_feature | 20:12 |
| riz__ | OK. Let me explore the options. Brb | 20:13 |
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| igor | riz__: you can look at https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/linux-yocto-3.14/tree/meta/cfg/kernel-cache?h=meta | 20:20 |
| igor | you can see all features | 20:21 |
| igor | so you can see if there is already a feature with the options that you want | 20:21 |
| igor | read the 00-README file | 20:21 |
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| riz__ | OK, thanks! | 20:22 |
| davis | yay! my new build is at the stage for qemu-native and its compiling. | 20:23 |
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| riz__ | igor: how do you check the kernel configurations to make sure the configuration yuo actually set is taken? | 20:36 |
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| igor | I never looked it | 20:38 |
| igor | but I guess you can see it at build/tmp/work/.../linux-yocto... | 20:38 |
| igor | the source code shoud be there | 20:38 |
| igor | so you can look at the .config file | 20:38 |
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| bluelightning | riz__: check the value of STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR then look in that directory for .config | 20:46 |
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| bluelightning | riz__: a quick way to get that is bitbake -e | grep ^STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR= | 20:46 |
| riz__ | great. I'll try now | 20:48 |
| gtristan | well... I think we're off the ground for the aarch64 native builds, hit a few errors and am quite sure that most of my patches for those problems are wrong... but it's a start | 20:52 |
| gtristan | one thing that baffles me, is the recent addition of a patch against make 4.1, fails to apply | 20:53 |
| gtristan | that should certainly have nothing to do with building poky on aarch64 | 20:54 |
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| riz__ | bluelightning: I got "STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR="/home/ryan/development/custom-build/tmp/work-shared/minnowboard/kernel-build-artifacts"" | 20:55 |
| riz__ | But there is no .config in it | 20:55 |
| bluelightning | riz__: has your kernel actually been built? | 20:56 |
| riz__ | Yes | 20:56 |
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| bluelightning | hmm, then it should be there... | 20:56 |
| bluelightning | failing that, you can look at the one in the workdir for the kernel recipe as igor suggested | 20:57 |
| bluelightning | bitbake -e virtual/kernel | grep ^B= | 20:57 |
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| bluelightning | (B being the directory where the recipe gets built) | 20:58 |
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| igor | find build/tmp/work -name linux-yocto | 20:59 |
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| riz__ | Yeah, nothing in there either | 21:00 |
| riz__ | Am I missing something | 21:00 |
| riz__ | When I bitbake my image, doesnt the linux-yocto kernel build? | 21:01 |
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| bluelightning | have you enabled 'rm_work' by any chance? | 21:01 |
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| riz__ | bluelightning: Ahhhh. You got it | 21:05 |
| riz__ | I forgot that I did that | 21:05 |
| riz__ | :o | 21:06 |
| bluelightning | well that would explain why the workdir doesn't have that file in it | 21:06 |
| bluelightning | odd that it's missing from STAGING_KERNEL_BUILDDIR though | 21:07 |
| kergoth | Hmm, anyone know why archiver's do_unpack_and_patch is set to run after do_patch, but then runs do_unpack and do_patch itself? it seems like this would result in the diff_gz generation missing new files that were added by do_patch, since that ran before it, and re-running do_unpack will overwrite files, but doesn't wipe S first.. | 21:08 |
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| kergoth | or am i missing something? | 21:08 |
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| riz__ | It still doesnt have the filw | 21:12 |
| riz__ | file | 21:12 |
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| RP | kergoth: archiver seems a bit messy :/ | 21:21 |
| RP | kergoth: given the other bugs I've found recently, I'm not surprised shall we say | 21:21 |
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| bluelightning | kergoth: I think the thinking was that if the archiver comes along at any time afterwards (e.g. after compilation) it can't be sure the sources are completely clean | 21:27 |
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| kergoth | bluelightning: right, but shouldn't it run *before* do_unpack so it can capture S to S.orig before the patch is applied, rather than trying to undo it incompletely after the fact? | 21:32 |
| kergoth | it runs after do_patch, but then runs do_unpack and do_patch and diffs the unpacked tree to th epatched tree at that point | 21:32 |
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| kergoth | hmmm | 21:36 |
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| igor | riz__: you must cleansstate and build the linux-yocto again | 21:43 |
| igor | after remove rm_work | 21:43 |
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| riz__ | oh ok | 21:43 |
| riz__ | thanks | 21:43 |
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| kergoth | archiver seems to get real unhappy combined with externalsrc/devtool :) | 21:58 |
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