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| sveinse | Anyone here with Qt5 app experience? I wonder how you deal with the fact that Qt rely (by default) on .so files, and they think/claim that this is how it should be done. I don't feel too comfortable to adding INSANE_SKIP_${PN} ?= "dev-so" all the time | 08:38 |
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| mckoan | sveinse: I don't understand what do you expect instead | 08:53 |
| sveinse | mckoan: Point is, our Qt app has a lot of plugins, which is compiles to versioned .so files (as expected). But when I import the plugins from within the Qt app, it searches for the .so file without version number, which is in Yocto-world a -dev package. | 08:55 |
| sveinse | This is a controversy which I have given up making Qt-ppl understand is not common practice | 08:55 |
| sveinse | But it does not help to resolve it, so I'm looking for options | 08:56 |
| fragfutter | this is normal. applications should not specify the exact .so version unless required. | 08:56 |
| fragfutter | run ldconfig to create all required symlinks | 08:57 |
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| Ulfalize | sveinse: libfoo.so is normally a symlink to the library and only required for development (so that the linker can find the library when you do -lfoo). that's why it's packaged into ${PN}-dev by default. | 08:58 |
| sveinse | fragfutter: Ok, but the Yocto fails loudly if any .so files are placed in the ${PN} packages, and there is apparently no postinst process for rebuilding them | 08:59 |
| Ulfalize | sveinse: i recommend reading the shared libraries chapter of the linux programming interface. it goes over all the concepts very clearly in great detail. :) | 09:00 |
| sveinse | Ulfalize: yes, but this is not the case for Qt apps. If you request to load a Qt plugin, it searches .so only | 09:00 |
| Ulfalize | not sure if that chapter is available for free online though | 09:00 |
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| Ulfalize | sveinse: ah... w8. there are some other variables you could use in that case. | 09:00 |
| sveinse | Ulfalize: it's not my fault (not being defensive here), but this is how Qt expect things to work | 09:00 |
| Ulfalize | SOLIBSDEV iirc, but my browser keeps hanging up atm :P | 09:01 |
| Ulfalize | sveinse: yeah, no problem. it's pretty common for plugins to be unversioned i guess. | 09:01 |
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| sveinse | Ulfalize: Yes, SOLIBDEV, that's right. I still need to bypass so-dev thou | 09:02 |
| sveinse | So my first question was how other Qt5 apps has handled this pickle | 09:02 |
| sveinse | And oh, how do I bypass is? I've added inherit insane and INSANE_SKIP-${PN} += "dev-so", but bitbake still fails on [dev-so] :o | 09:04 |
| erbo | sveinse: it's _${PN} IIRC | 09:04 |
| erbo | sveinse: where does your recipe install the .so files? | 09:04 |
| sveinse | erbo: Yes, typo from me INSANE_SKIP_${PN} += "dev-so" | 09:05 |
| Ulfalize | sveinse: have you tried SOLIBS = "${SOLIBSDEV}", meaning "shared libraries use the suffix as development links (.so)"? | 09:05 |
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| Ulfalize | not sure if that's the recommended approach, but it might work | 09:05 |
| sveinse | erbo, ah yes, install location is custom (/opt), thanks. I' | 09:05 |
| sveinse | I'll check that | 09:05 |
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| Ulfalize | might want to make it += if you still want to catch "normally" named libraries | 09:06 |
| Ulfalize | though if it's one recipe per plugin, it shouldn't usually matter | 09:06 |
| Ulfalize | sveinse: btw... INSANE_SKIP would need to be followed by '_' rather than '-' :) | 09:07 |
| Ulfalize | oh, nm, already corrected that | 09:08 |
| erbo | I can't see where the meta-qt5 recipes work around the dev-so issue, and I can't recall that I've had problems building e.g. Qt plugins myself. Weird. | 09:11 |
| sveinse | erbo, Yeah, I'm no Qt dev, so I don't know if they use some special arrangement for loading the plugin. I was just told "this is how Qt5 does this", as either knowledge or arrogance, who knows. | 09:13 |
| sveinse | Not being the only one thou: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34265476/bitbake-does-not-populate-so-symlinks-to-shared-libaries | 09:14 |
| erbo | sveinse: Yeah the plugins are (and should be) unversioned, but I mean that I never had the dev-so check complain. I thought that was due to the check only caring about /usr/lib/ | 09:14 |
| sveinse | erbo, yes, and I think it is a side effect of us using /opt for the installation path. I've been seeing this elsewhere. Now with Yocto, we should probably migrate it to /usr/, but I need to take one issue at a time :D | 09:16 |
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| Ulfalize | sveinse: the implementation of that check is in package_qa_check_dev() in meta/classes/insane.bbclass btw. it seems to hardcode ".so". maybe it ought to check for SOLIBSDEV instead. | 09:19 |
| Ulfalize | i'd send a message to the mailing list | 09:20 |
| Ulfalize | apparently your .so files are symlinks as well. is that intended? | 09:21 |
| Ulfalize | otherwise the QA check wouldn't fire | 09:21 |
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| Cubi1 | sveinse, why do you install symlinks instead of the real the files without version infos? We compile / install our plugins without version and it works fine. | 09:24 |
| sveinse | Cubi1, so you configure qmake to build plugins without version? | 09:26 |
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| sveinse | qmake installation per default, produces libmine.so.A.B.C as the file and sets up symlinks to libmine.so.A.B -> libmine.so.A.B.C, libmine.so.A -> libmine.so.A.B.C amd libmine.so -> libmine.so.A.B.C. | 09:30 |
| sveinse | And qt runtime seems to run dl_open() against libmine.so | 09:30 |
| Cubi1 | sveinse, we don't use qmake, so I don't know how to remove the version info there. If you don't find a way to fix it, you can rename the files in your recipe in do_install_append(). | 09:31 |
| sveinse | Cubi1: Yeah, I don't know if this behavior is specific to qmake and that cmake behaves differently | 09:31 |
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| sveinse | I had hoped I could use Qt/qmake out-of-box without too much per recipe fiddling, but it seems this is unavoidable | 09:32 |
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| sveinse | Heh, reading from Qt's QPluginLoader: "To be loadable, the file's suffix must be a valid suffix for a loadable library in accordance with the platform, e.g. .so on Unix," | 09:36 |
| sveinse | So Qt surely assume that the .so lib is installed by default and thus not being a -dev library :D | 09:36 |
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| Cubi1 | sveinse, .so is ok for a plugin, it just must not be a symlink. We build our plugins using libtool with the ldflag "-avoid-version", maybe there is something similar for qt | 09:44 |
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| sveinse | Cubi1: There are. CONFIG+=plugin in Qt libs stops using versioned libs and use .so for storage. And Yocto stops failing over it. Thanks! | 10:01 |
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| eduardas_m | Hello. What is the recommended/preferred mechanism for secure over-the-air (OTA) updates in Yocto builds? | 10:33 |
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| eduardas_m | I have just gone over the mender.io website, but I do not like the fact their solution is written in golang. | 10:35 |
| eduardas_m | Which is still kind of niche and developers are hard to find. | 10:36 |
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| zeenix | hi | 10:44 |
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| zeenix | is there any inherent issues with gobject-instrospection in oe? | 10:45 |
| rburton | hey zeenix | 10:46 |
| rburton | use a modern enough oe and no, it just works | 10:46 |
| zeenix | rburton, yo, there you are :) | 10:46 |
| zeenix | i was looking for a 'ross' nick :) | 10:46 |
| rburton | some evil swine stole ross before i joined freenode | 10:46 |
| zeenix | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/422741/31588521 | 10:47 |
| zeenix | trying to update geoclue in oe | 10:47 |
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| rburton | zeenix: the recipe likely needs to export HOST_SYS or BUILD_SYS. what version of oe? | 10:53 |
| zeenix | this is krogoth branch from git | 10:54 |
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| * zeenix will try with master | 10:58 | |
| boucman_work | rburton: i've sent my patch to glibc upstream, but there is no answer... should I send a V2 of my patch with the glibc patch as "sent-upstream" ? | 10:59 |
| rburton | boucman_work: yeah, Upstream-Status: Submitted [link to submission] | 10:59 |
| boucman_work | ok, will do | 11:00 |
| erbo | zeenix: maybe just add export HOST_SYS and export BUILD_SYS to the recipe? | 11:02 |
| zeenix | erbo, from geoclue recipe? I can try.. | 11:03 |
| erbo | yup | 11:04 |
| rburton | i *think* master fixed that generally at some point | 11:04 |
| rburton | so you likely need to throw an export in | 11:04 |
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| rburton | i wonder if that was actually the GIR stuff throwing an error, or something else | 11:05 |
| rburton | massively parallel builds are fun to hide errors | 11:05 |
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| zeenix | i added those exports to geoclue recipe but still get the same error. I guess i gotta rebuilt gobject-introspection? | 11:06 |
| rburton | no | 11:06 |
| erbo | see http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/meta/classes/gobject-introspection.bbclass?id=4977a0743ba439a46716c6ef10c5958d5a561115 | 11:06 |
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| erbo | that removed the export | 11:06 |
| rburton | zeenix: i'd start by using the devshell to run make manually and identify what exactly is causing the error | 11:09 |
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| zeenix | rburton, actually it was a different error | 11:21 |
| zeenix | rburton, erbo came down to my desk to try to help me out but i think the main issue might be our bistro distro being out of date with poky | 11:22 |
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| zeenix | the latest error i get is python saying "no such file or directory" but no mention of which file | 11:28 |
| sveinse | Aha!! INSANE_SKIP_${PN} per package, not per recipe. E.g. INSANE_SKIP_${PN}-common. | 11:28 |
| zeenix | rburton, erbo: seems it tries to find libtool binary in geoclue top_builddir but it's not there | 11:33 |
| sveinse | Yocto is not built to build for multiple machines in one run, right? | 11:34 |
| zeenix | ah i think i need to add dep to libtool? | 11:34 |
| rburton | zeenix: well good news is that is likely a bug in geoclue not oe | 11:35 |
| rburton | sveinse: see oe-core master! | 11:35 |
| sveinse | Our use case is to make an OTA image that comprise of images for two machines. It would be convenient if I could write a yocto recipe for building that image, but if I need to rerun bitbake to change the MACHINE variable, this will not be immediately trivial | 11:35 |
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| zeenix | rburton, but but make distcheck in geoclue runs fine :) | 11:36 |
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| sveinse | rburton: sorry, can you be a bit more specific, please? I tried grepping for oe-core and master, and nothing useful | 11:40 |
| zeenix | --libtool=$(top_builddir)/libtool \ | 11:40 |
| zeenix | that might be it :) | 11:40 |
| rburton | sveinse: bitbake: Initial multi-config support | 11:41 |
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| present | Hello | 11:42 |
| sveinse | rburton: thanks, I'll look into it | 11:43 |
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| jku | zeenix: the dependency already comes from autotools class so shouldn't be needed. I've seen patches do --libtool="$(LIBTOOL)" to e.g. some gstreamer builds but don't know the background... | 11:49 |
| zeenix | oh all my old friends are here :) | 11:50 |
| jku | hi :) | 11:50 |
| jku | like meta/recipes-multimedia/gstreamer/gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad/0001-Makefile.am-don-t-hardcode-libtool-name-when-running.patch | 11:50 |
| zeenix | jku, rburton: btw i found the little ohand guy in my stuff when i was moving. He's doing alright :) | 11:50 |
| rburton | ! | 11:51 |
| rburton | they're rare as anything | 11:51 |
| zeenix | jku, ah ok, thanks | 11:51 |
| rburton | well done | 11:51 |
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| rburton | for <reasons> the libtool binary that gets written is prefixed with the host | 11:51 |
| zeenix | ah yes, that's true | 11:54 |
| rburton | using $(LIBTOOL) should be upstreamable too | 11:54 |
| zeenix | yeah i just tried but seems that variable doesn't get expanded correctly | 11:55 |
| rburton | zeenix: you might need to set LIBTOOL=@LIBTOOL@ in the makefile? | 12:01 |
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| zeenix | rburton, nope, doesnt' help :( | 12:07 |
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| zeenix | aha | 12:36 |
| zeenix | rburton, it's supposed to be -libtool="${LIBTOOL}" | 12:36 |
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| zeenix | hmm.. now it can't find my library :( | 12:41 |
| zeenix | ERROR: can't resolve libraries to shared libraries: geoclue-2 | 12:41 |
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| sveinse | Are there any examples of wic being used from recipes to generate images? | 13:20 |
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| sveinse | Isn't it common to generate a dd-able image with wic from a recipe? I find little of it in the poky code base nor the documentation | 13:31 |
| CTtpollard | sveinse: there is a wic script in poky/scripts/ | 13:35 |
| sveinse | CTtpollard: yes, wic is a part of poky. But I'm curious how to plug that into a recipe in order for me to generate a dd image. The docs only talk about wic in respect of running it manually from the command line | 13:37 |
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| sveinse | ..and it seems like meta-fsl-arm does not use wic at all for it's sdcard generation. So isn't wic intended for this purpose? | 13:40 |
| rburton | wic is fairly new so you'll likely want to ask fsl if they plan to move to wic | 13:41 |
| rburton | or if there's any problems with it | 13:41 |
| sveinse | rburton: ok, good. I frankly don't care what fsl has done. I'm searching for how to integrate wic into my image build workflow | 13:42 |
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| sveinse | the only example I can find is meta-selftest/recipes-test/images/wic-image-minimal.bb. Let me see if I can use it | 13:54 |
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| CTtpollard | is anyone aware of any .wks file available for the minnowboard max, meta-intel only seems to have one for galileo | 14:01 |
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| sveinse | How new is wic? I don't get the impression this is very widely adopted yet | 14:07 |
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| fragfutter | i have a package A which creates a file in /opt/A, now i want to build package B which requires this file during building. i set DEPENDS="A", but which is the path to the file during build time? | 14:14 |
| berton | sveinse: here are some examples to use with fsl machines https://github.com/Freescale/meta-fsl-arm/tree/master/scripts/lib/image/canned-wks | 14:16 |
| Ulfalizer | fragfutter: usually ${STAGING_DIR_HOST}/opt/A. btw, if you're not reading the latest (2.2) version of the manual, you might want to. | 14:17 |
| Ulfalizer | see http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-DEPENDS and http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#ref-tasks-populate_sysroot (the second one is linked from the first one too) | 14:17 |
| Ulfalizer | fragfutter: btw, please put spaces around '='. you don't need to to DEPENDS="foo" like in shell. :) | 14:18 |
| Ulfalizer | and it looks a bit cramped | 14:19 |
| berton | sveinse: rename properly file ( with or without SPL ) to your image name. For example, for core-image-minimal.bb you need to rename wks file to core-image-minimal.wks and add IMAGE_FSTYPES_append = " wic" to local.conf | 14:20 |
| otavio | sveinse: I use wic for customers for a while | 14:21 |
| otavio | sveinse: as berton said, there is support for it on i.MX BSP | 14:22 |
| fragfutter | Ulfalizer: i'm on 2.1, space are in my .bb, i did not read the documentation for do_populate_sysroot | 14:22 |
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| fragfutter | Ulfalizer: looks like i'm bitten by "Files that would typically not be needed by other recipes at build time are skipped" | 14:22 |
| rburton | yeah i don't think stuff in /opt gets staged by default | 14:22 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, doesn't look like /opt is copied by default | 14:22 |
| rburton | so you'll need to either a) stop using opt, read the FHS, and realise why you shouldn't use opt, or b) extend the staging function in your recipe | 14:23 |
| Ulfalizer | looking in meta/classes/staging.bbclass | 14:23 |
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| Ulfalizer | fragfutter: extending the staging functions means doing sysroot_stage_dirs_append() { ... in your recipe btw | 14:24 |
| Ulfalizer | see the .bbclass i just linked | 14:24 |
| Ulfalizer | but yeah, it's a bit hackish | 14:24 |
| sveinse | berton: I have an image target (custom built) which is a derivative of core-image. It generates a rootfs/ including rootfs/boot/ which I want to copy to a image. Apparently --source bootimg-partition is not the thing here. IMAGE_BOOT_FILES unset | 14:25 |
| sveinse | This is not the var-som-dual btw | 14:27 |
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| zeenix | hmm.. as soon as I include the library of geoclue into the build successfully, the generated package is named libgeoclue instead of geoclue :( | 14:29 |
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| zeenix | is there a way to tell bitbake not to do that | 14:29 |
| sveinse | My objectives is to make an installable USB image. I have a .tar.bz2 rootfs which is complete. I then need to make a smaller second bootable core-image, install it to a USB device, which in turn erases the emmc and delivers the rootfs to it. Customer deployment of images. | 14:29 |
| sveinse | We have all this logic built today, but outside Yocto | 14:30 |
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| fragfutter | Ulfalizer: thanks. Is staging also applied to -dev packages? | 14:31 |
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| berton | sveinse: you need to set IMAGE_BOOT_FILES something like MAGE_BOOT_FILES = "uImage u-boot.img imx6dl-var-som-solo-vsc.dtb" | 14:32 |
| Ulfalizer | fragfutter: yup, as long as the files fulfill the "would typically be needed" criteria. the staging step doesn't really care about packages. | 14:32 |
| sveinse | berton: ok. Can't I just configure it do fetch everything from the rootfs/boot directory? | 14:33 |
| Ulfalizer | fragfutter: see the first note for DEPENDS in the 2.2 reference manual btw. i added that to try to sort out some recipe vs. package confusion. :) | 14:33 |
| Ulfalizer | "Putting a package name such as 'foo-dev' in DEPENDS does not make sense. Use 'foo' instead, as this will put files from all the packages that make up 'foo', which includes those from 'foo-dev', into the sysroot." | 14:34 |
| berton | sveinse: if you use core-image-minimal.wks it will create core-image-minimal image and will put IMAGE_BOOT_FILES to boot partition | 14:37 |
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| fragfutter | ah. notes are new in 2.2 documentation. | 14:42 |
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| Ulfalizer | quite a lot of new stuff | 14:43 |
| sveinse | berton: I don't have any core-image-minimal.wks in my sources. In all cases, this is beyond my point. When I build my image (based on core-image), it puts boot into rootfs/boot and the .tar.bz2. How can I put this into the /boot partition with wic? How come I need to use IMAGE_BOOT_FILES manually rather than using the rootfs/boot dir? | 14:44 |
| sveinse | this is just me trying to grasp the ideas behind wic | 14:45 |
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| sveinse | So if I write in my wic recipe, a.bb, do_rootfs[depends] += "my-image:do_image", this will copy my-image's rootfs/ over to a's rootfs/, right? | 14:50 |
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| Ulfalizer | sveinse: i'm a wic noob, but that declaration by itself just adds a dependency between the tasks, so that my-image:do_image is guaranteed to run before a:do_rootfs | 14:51 |
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| sveinse | Ulfalizer: yup, there are just some implicit actions here. as is: I find it easy to understand that my-image _depends_ on a:do_image. But that it also copies data is not intuitive | 14:53 |
| Ulfalizer | sveinse: those implicit actions must be independent of that line though | 14:54 |
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| Ulfalizer | by itself it doesn't do anything but add a dependency between two tasks, so that they always run in a particular order relative to each other | 14:55 |
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| Sona | does any one know the status about https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515? | 15:14 |
| yocti | Bug 7515: enhancement, Medium+, 2.2 M3, mariano.lopez, IN PROGRESS REVIEW , Add CVE testing tool | 15:14 |
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| rburton | Sona: https://patchwork.openembedded.org/series/2005/ is the current series for 7515. your opinion on the cve-check class would be appreciated! | 15:19 |
| Sona | thans Ross | 15:19 |
| sjolley | YPTM is over! | 15:20 |
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| sveinse | berton: I looked at the fsl canned-wks URL you sent me. But I can't seem to find any recipes using these wks, am I right? | 15:29 |
| kergoth | generally the wks would be selected by the machine or user doing the build, not a recipe | 15:30 |
| kergoth | hardcoding machine specifics in the image recipe would break the orthogonality that is core to yocto/oe philosophy | 15:30 |
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| sveinse | which implies that yocto needs a layer on top to make these semi-complete images into images that can be deployed to customers | 15:31 |
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| sveinse | I had hoped I could write a set of recipes that could do that job, producing final shippable artefacts | 15:32 |
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| kergoth | no, it doesn't imply that at all. | 15:34 |
| sveinse | Then there is probably something I'm completely missing in this picture | 15:35 |
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| sveinse | Hmm, wic is unwilling to make a image without a bootloader: "Warning: bootloader config not specified, using defaults". | 15:39 |
| jaghu_ | Hi... what would the correct way to add some changes via my layer to a machine.conf file(existing in another layer)? The qemuarm.conf already exists in meta/conf/ .. I want to add some dependencies to machine type qemuarm in my layer.. | 15:39 |
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| rburton | halstead_: can you give me permission to edit patch status etc on the oe-core patchwork please | 15:51 |
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| a1cypher | Hello. | 15:52 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: then I'm curious to your point. Why isn't wks "embeddable" into a recipe? Let's say you want to put an image into an image (e.g. for installation). | 16:02 |
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| kergoth | the wks by definition is specific to the deployment method for your hardware, making it machine specific. our images are designed for use with any arbitrary distro or machine. hardcoding distro or machine specifics into an image violates that policy | 16:03 |
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| halstead_ | rburton, It says you already have it. | 16:03 |
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| rburton | halstead: huh | 16:04 |
| sveinse | kergoth: but how do you deploy images to customers? Or do you just leave it at "here is your .tar.bz2, do what you want with it"? | 16:04 |
| kergoth | I don't understand the question. let the machine .conf set the WKS_FILE and move on | 16:04 |
| halstead | rburton, You are marked as a maintainer for Bitbake and OE-core in patchwork. | 16:04 |
| halstead | rburton, Are you logged in as rossburton or a diffrent user? | 16:05 |
| rburton | rossburton | 16:05 |
| sveinse | kergoth: point is, there is logic need to package, and with the layering scheme of yocto, it would seem like a good idea to make those overbuild as recipes, right. Otherwise you'd need another non-yocto system to handle artefacts on top of yocto | 16:05 |
| rburton | halstead: oh and now it works :) | 16:06 |
| halstead | rburton, Yay. | 16:06 |
| kergoth | sveinse: if you can do so without violating oe/yocto policy, sure | 16:06 |
| kergoth | just shift the logic out of the recipe itself | 16:06 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: I have to admit I don't see why it is a problem. If you make a BSP for a particular machine, then that machine also has a scheme for booting, hence runnable images would be an expected part of building for that machine, wouldn't it? | 16:10 |
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| kergoth | bsp layers should not be providing image recipes which only work for that bsp, no. | 16:12 |
| kergoth | any distro should work with any machine which should work with any image. this orthogonality of the system provides a great deal of flexibility, without which the project wouldn't have come as far as it has | 16:12 |
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| kergoth | there are exceptions, valid ones, but they're few and far between | 16:13 |
| sveinse | I am lost then. Isn't then there missing something on top of this: The tool/method that can take whatever distro, whatever machine and whatever image and produce an artefact that is runnable on the selected machine? | 16:14 |
| sveinse | A tar.bz2 rootfs is not a complete artefact, it is a middle step | 16:15 |
| kergoth | the whole point of wic is to produce such an artifact. if it's insufficient, then the bsp generally provides a shell script to write things to the sd card or whatever other appropriate media | 16:15 |
| kergoth | i don't see why you're pushing the idea of a tarball, nobody actually uses a tar.bz2 for anything but debugging or nfsroot | 16:15 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: because my entry to yocto is core-image-minimal, which by default produces a .tar.bz2. | 16:16 |
| kergoth | no, that's wrong | 16:16 |
| kergoth | the machine controls what image types are used, not the image | 16:16 |
| kergoth | so whatever machine you're using ddefaulted to that, that's all | 16:16 |
| sveinse | ok, right | 16:16 |
| sveinse | We have a end-user product (which is already on the marked), which is running Yocto. However, due to many reasons I won't list here, we get a core-image.tar.bz2 with the system and a SDK. We have then built a system using the SDK to make our application and manually inject this into the core-image, and then create the hdd image from the whole shebang. it works, but not very elegant. We now... | 16:20 |
| sveinse | ...want to move to a all-yocto solution and thus need all this image functionality into it. | 16:20 |
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| sveinse | is it possible to encapsulate one image into another? | 16:23 |
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| rburton | sveinse: yes, live images have a initramfs inside them | 16:24 |
| sveinse | rburton: yes, ours do as well. It's three then | 16:25 |
| sveinse | The use case is making a bootable USB installer which installs the system onto the machine | 16:25 |
| kergoth | wic supports that use case already, though the installer might not be exactly what you need | 16:27 |
| sveinse | So what is being said here is that image creation is related to the machine, so this is where I need to start looking | 16:27 |
| sveinse | kergoth: I have my own installer (as a recipe -- a Qt5 GUI application) | 16:28 |
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| sveinse | What does this cryptic error mean: Error: exec_cmd: 'sgdisk --partition-guid=1:0a58a7f0-be5b-49c7-a64e-03e672fe89a9 /home/me/yocto/build/tmp/deploy/images/lm-lb-gen2/usb-image-lm-lb-gen2-20160906163733/build/usb-image-201609061838-sda.direct' returned '3' instead of 0 | 16:40 |
| khem | sgdisk error | 16:41 |
| sveinse | Google sais error 3=non-gpt disk detected and no -g option. Which is right, because there is no GPT on this target | 16:41 |
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| sveinse | Is this back to "Warning: bootloader config not specified, using defaults" I wonder | 16:42 |
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| khem | its a non-GPT disk | 16:43 |
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| khem | thats what tool is trying to day | 16:43 |
| khem | say | 16:43 |
| sveinse | khem: Yes, and I don't want GPT, so how do I disable it? | 16:43 |
| sveinse | because I have no "bootloader" statement in my wks. I don't need a bootloader | 16:44 |
| sveinse | Just one straight ext4 partition | 16:45 |
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| sveinse | using msdos partitioning | 16:46 |
| khem | somewhere you are telling it to create GPT partition | 16:46 |
| khem | and then asking sgdisk to operate on it | 16:46 |
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| khem | I see AB is also trying to help :) | 16:46 |
| khem | shhhh AB | 16:47 |
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| khem | sveinse: how are partitions created ? may be there is a hint there | 16:48 |
| sveinse | khem, well I havent specified any. My wks only contains one line "part / --source rootfs --ondisk sda --label installer --align 4096 --use-uuid --fstype=ext4" | 16:49 |
| sveinse | khem: yes, you were right. The --use-uuid statement above triggers sgdisk and gpt. Thanks | 17:01 |
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| sveinse | Can I delete a -native package which is deployed to the system? | 17:09 |
| kergoth | deployed? | 17:09 |
| sveinse | *system, I mean the buildtree | 17:09 |
| kergoth | native recipes don't generate packages nor are they deployed to the target | 17:10 |
| kergoth | if you just want to remove them from the sysroot for some reaosn, though i don't really see the point, use bitbake -c clean | 17:10 |
| sveinse | wic complained about missing sfdisk, so I had to depend on gptfdisk-native. Now that I've figured out how to not do gpt, I am wondering if I indeed still need the gptfdisk-native dep | 17:11 |
| khem | ASSUME_PROVIDED may be a way | 17:14 |
| khem | to let system assume that you are providing this package yourself and it need not build it | 17:14 |
| sveinse | khem: I want to build it. I just want to have the correct deps | 17:15 |
| khem | sveinse: you might have found a bug for missing dep | 17:17 |
| khem | so probbaly you fixed it rightly | 17:17 |
| sveinse | if bitbake -c clean gptfdisk-native works, then wic don't need it when no gpt is used, as my recipe succeeded. | 17:18 |
| khem | if its not needed to generate your final disk then its harmless | 17:18 |
| khem | sveinse: sure yes | 17:18 |
| kergoth | it being built doesn't harm anything | 17:18 |
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| sveinse | khem: Well, I'm getting inspiration from poky/meta-selftest/recipes-test/images/wic-image-minimal.bb, where all these deps are listed | 17:19 |
| khem | sveinse: OK, they may be using GPT as base | 17:19 |
| khem | for partitioning scheme | 17:19 |
| sveinse | yes, they do | 17:20 |
| khem | so you may not be able to use it as it is | 17:20 |
| sveinse | I've got this figured for now | 17:20 |
| sveinse | khem: To confirm, if no gpt is used, then gptfdisk-native dep is not needed. Just tried reenabling gpt without adding this dep, and it failed. | 17:22 |
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| kergoth | the deps vary depending on the wks, which bitbake doesn't know about, so it's not unusual to have to alter IMAGE_DEPENDS_wic | 17:24 |
| kergoth | i.e. we use wic for minnowmax, and set IMAGE_DEPENDS_wic_append = " dosfstools-native mtools-native parted-native" | 17:25 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: yeah, precisely. ..and you need to update the deps if you take use of e.g. gpt | 17:26 |
| * kergoth nods | 17:26 | |
| sveinse | no, but this is good | 17:26 |
| sveinse | My image is booting on target HW. Goal accomplished. | 17:27 |
| sveinse | Would it be possible to manipulate the image via wic plugins? | 17:29 |
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| sveinse | We have a compressed image file format that I want to add to wic. A type that does not write sectors unless they have actually been used, so it cuts image copying down by skipping unneccessary writes | 17:30 |
| sveinse | We have been talking about contributing this if there are any general interest for it | 17:30 |
| kergoth | we already have support for such a mechanism | 17:30 |
| sveinse | kergoth: oh, where? | 17:31 |
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| kergoth | https://source.tizen.org/documentation/reference/bmaptool, https://source.tizen.org/documentation/reference/bmaptool/introduction | 17:31 |
| kergoth | at mentor we enable both wic.bz2 and wic.bmap image types, so the wic.bz2 can be written sparsely to the media with bmaptool, even though bzip doesn't retain actual sparseness | 17:32 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: cool, sparseness is important on slow and large media with small fill. | 17:33 |
| kergoth | indeed. another option worth thinking about with removable media is to avoid using a fixed size image and let the rootfs be resized to the size of the media on first boot | 17:33 |
| kergoth | we switched to doing that recently | 17:33 |
| kergoth | previously we had multiple .wks files for each media size, which was a bit of a pain | 17:33 |
| sveinse | Heh, we have had both of these mechanisms in play in embedded product since 2012 actually. Not that that matters | 17:34 |
| kergoth | nice | 17:34 |
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| sveinse | we're migrating to yocto now so that we can rid ourselves of our custom built build-system | 17:36 |
| kergoth | 96boards-tools will do the auto rootfs resize if you install it (from the dragonboard folks), https://github.com/96boards/meta-96boards/tree/master/recipes-bsp/96boards-tools | 17:36 |
| sveinse | thus all my nagging questions :P | 17:36 |
| kergoth | ah, indeed | 17:36 |
| sveinse | kergoth: Yeah, we have a firstboot.service, which does a few additional task. But in essence not unlike the resize-helper.server | 17:38 |
| sveinse | But I have been thinking about removing this service. Isn't it superfluous with the postinstall mechanism in Yocto? | 17:39 |
| sveinse | Or is this deb-specific perhaps? | 17:39 |
| kergoth | any postinst that fails to run at rootfs construction time will automatically be run at first boot. really depends on what you're needing to do, whether its appropriate in a postinst or not | 17:40 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: yes, and there are two levels of postinst, isn't there: One that is run by bitbake, and one that might run on target first boot, right? | 17:41 |
| sveinse | yes, right | 17:41 |
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| sveinse | kergoth: the bmap tool is /very/ similar to our format. The approach is slightly different, but the end result would be the same. Very cool. Thanks | 17:44 |
| kergoth | np | 17:45 |
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| sveinse | Wait, what: sudo dd if=usb-image-20160906175116.rootfs.wic of=/dev/sdd bs=1M. "136596480 bytes (137 MB, 130 MiB) copied, 0,0778612 s, 1,8 GB/s". Ke? | 18:10 |
| sveinse | And the image boots... I have serious problems trusting this right now | 18:10 |
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| khem | sveinse: dont use bs= | 18:16 |
| khem | defaults are better | 18:17 |
| sveinse | khem: No, its my laptop which linux has apparently gone bonkers. I can write to /dev/sdanything with lightning speeds and nothing happens (or fills up). Nothing is written to disk | 18:18 |
| kergoth | i'd ls -l the device and make sure it's still correct, make sure nothing unlinked it and turned it into a regular file or something | 18:19 |
| * kergoth shrugs | 18:19 | |
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| sveinse | yeah, weird, right? never seen this before :p But no worries | 18:20 |
| sveinse | scp it to another machine and write the usb drive there worked much better... | 18:20 |
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| sveinse | I see that my image has 30M-ish available on target. What controls that "spare" size? | 18:22 |
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| kergoth | sveinse: see IMAGE_ROOTFS_EXTRA_SPACE | 18:24 |
| sveinse | kergoth: thanks | 18:24 |
| kergoth | np | 18:24 |
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| sveinse | When do you want to make a distro? | 18:36 |
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| kergoth | a lot of people postpone creating a distro by doing everything in local.conf, but that's hard to maintain. i recommend folks make themselves a distro early, there's no real cost, and it gives you somewhere to put policy changes where they can be maintained | 18:39 |
| sveinse | kergoth: Does my questions regarding building multiple (encapsulated) images and wic images belong in a distro? | 18:41 |
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