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| ecksun | how do I go about triggering only the image generation step? | 12:34 |
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| rburton | ecksun: bitbake myimage, if the packages are all ready then they won't be rebuilt | 12:37 |
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| ecksun | well, I would to run the building of packages separetly from the generation of the image | 12:38 |
| ecksun | because I would like to do something in between | 12:38 |
| rburton | so bitbake myimage works fine for the image generation step then | 12:38 |
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| ecksun | well, I don't want it to do the building of packages, as I probably wont have the required sstate cache files for that | 12:39 |
| rburton | how do you expect to build an image without packages? | 12:39 |
| ecksun | I will have the packages | 12:39 |
| ecksun | basically only the package feed | 12:39 |
| ecksun | thats what I will consider the output of the previous step | 12:40 |
| rburton | as discussed yesterday you need more than just the deploy/ directory | 12:40 |
| ecksun | well, Im not so sure actually | 12:40 |
| ecksun | the code does not seem to depend on much more | 12:40 |
| ecksun | and the documentation hints at it being possible | 12:40 |
| ecksun | see the note here for example: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#package-splitting-dev-environment | 12:40 |
| rburton | that discusses making a package feed minimal / upgrade only / publishable | 12:41 |
| rburton | for which there is more work than just making deploy/deb public | 12:41 |
| ecksun | yes, sure, my plan is to make a package feed | 12:42 |
| ecksun | but I dont follow what you mean by "minimal / upgrade only / publishable"? | 12:42 |
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| ecksun | where is the entrypoint to the different steps in the bitbake build, more specifically, what triggers the do_rootfs function? | 12:44 |
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| rburton | image.bbclass defines the do_rootfs task that has to run before do_build | 12:50 |
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| ecksun | before? | 12:50 |
| ecksun | hmm, interesting | 12:50 |
| ecksun | I see | 12:53 |
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| rburton | do_build is essential a no-op task that is just the default task | 13:00 |
| rburton | all the other tasks involved in any recipe are dependents of that | 13:00 |
| rburton | ie a normal package do_build depends on writing to the sysroot, generating packaging, writing the license manifest, and a few other pieces. | 13:01 |
| ecksun | yeah, I understood as much | 13:02 |
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| ecksun | so what I hope I can do is just run do_build and ignore the output image, then configure my package feed and then run do_rootfs after that | 13:02 |
| rburton | you understand that won't work out of the box right | 13:04 |
| ecksun | well, yes, but I dont know what else to do | 13:04 |
| rburton | stop considering the sstate as something transient and untrustworthy? | 13:05 |
| rburton | its *better* than a package feed | 13:05 |
| ecksun | but it is? its a cache? | 13:05 |
| rburton | as i said repeatedly yesterday, only in the technical sense | 13:05 |
| rburton | what's to ensure that libfoo-1-2.deb is always identical | 13:06 |
| rburton | you could rebuild it without a version change | 13:06 |
| rburton | -> package feeds are not immutable | 13:06 |
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| ecksun | thats exactly what I'm worried about, bitbake rebuilding things without a version change | 13:06 |
| ecksun | and then also packages that into the image, but since there is no new version it wont be deployed to the running systems | 13:07 |
| rburton | and that is what the PR service is for - every rebuild causes the version to bump | 13:07 |
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| rburton | *but* if you want to know *exactly* what goes into an image, then just used locked signatures so you mandate the sstate hash of every part of your release. if the hash changes then the build will abort. | 13:08 |
| rburton | if you're just worried about a rebuild not propogating to an existing image using package management, turn on the PR service | 13:08 |
| ecksun | could you provide some documentation about locked signatures? | 13:09 |
| rburton | looks like the docs haven't really expanded to cover those yet, bitbake -S will write a locked signature file for the current metadata. | 13:10 |
| rburton | i'm still convinced you're over-thinking here, just use PR service. | 13:10 |
| ecksun | yeah, I understand that | 13:10 |
| ecksun | but Im not at all convinced about the sstate cache | 13:10 |
| rburton | well then we're all screwed | 13:11 |
| ecksun | that would mean that I cant do clean builds, wouldn't it? | 13:11 |
| ecksun | which is another thing I want to do | 13:11 |
| rburton | not at all | 13:11 |
| ecksun | no? | 13:11 |
| rburton | delete the cache! | 13:11 |
| rburton | or, change sstate_dir to another location | 13:11 |
| rburton | i'm often changing sstate_dir to sstate2 just to get a totally clean build for testing | 13:11 |
| ecksun | Im building in a docker container in order to get a clean build every time | 13:12 |
| rburton | so what happens if that when say m4 is built, the entirety of the inputs (src_uri, dependencies, machine, basically every variable and export) are all hashed and used to identify the result | 13:14 |
| ecksun | you are basically saying that I should persist the entire sstate-cache folder and hope that it will always work? | 13:14 |
| rburton | which is why everything in sstate has a checksum on it - thats the identifier | 13:14 |
| rburton | on rebuild from clean with sstate, when bitbake decides it wants m4 it can repeat the hash and if there's a corresponding entry in the sstate cache it can just extract the final packages+metadata from there instead of building | 13:15 |
| rburton | yes, persisting sstate between builds is usual, and not doing so would be unusual | 13:15 |
| rburton | having to bootstrap gcc for every build would get very boring | 13:15 |
| ecksun | sure, but better to rebuild packages from scratch than to use some partial result from previous builds | 13:16 |
| rburton | it's the *final* result of the build | 13:16 |
| rburton | nothing in sstate is partial | 13:16 |
| ecksun | hmm, okay | 13:16 |
| ecksun | morever, I have already had a case where bitbake essentially told me to delete the tmp directory because something went wrong | 13:17 |
| rburton | set SSTATE_DIR to shared-state-archive if you want | 13:17 |
| ecksun | which is another reason I dont trust it | 13:17 |
| rburton | that's unrelated to sstate | 13:17 |
| rburton | that's you doing two builds with recipes that conflict | 13:17 |
| ecksun | well, the sstate is useless if I have to remove it | 13:17 |
| rburton | sstate isn't in tmp/ | 13:17 |
| rburton | we used to let recipes silently overwrite files from other recipes, but that does lead to non-deterministic builds, so now its a fatal error | 13:18 |
| rburton | my sstate is in /data/poky-master/sstate, my build dirs are in /data/poky-master/tmp-glibc/ | 13:18 |
| rburton | i can delete tmp-glibc and rebuild an image in seconds | 13:18 |
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| ecksun | so, using the pr service, if it tells me that a package have changed, I just need to redeploy it with a new version | 13:19 |
| ecksun | otherwise bitbake will do nothing and there is nothing new for me to deploy? | 13:19 |
| rburton | when using the pr service on every build the PR field (r0, r1, etc) will increase. this means a package manager on the target can actually see upgrades due to rebuilds. | 13:20 |
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| ecksun | the PR field will increase for packages with changed recipes, dependencies etc? | 13:21 |
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| rburton | it bumps for every build, so whatever causes a rebuild will cause a bump | 13:22 |
| ecksun | I think I'm missunderstanding what you mean by build | 13:22 |
| rburton | every time a recipe is built | 13:22 |
| ecksun | when you say build you dont mean just running bitbake | 13:22 |
| rburton | the PR is per recipe | 13:22 |
| ecksun | but bitbake actually rebuilding a recipe after it has changed? | 13:22 |
| rburton | if you build an image, then say edit a class that adds users, then rebuild the image, all the recipes that use that class will get rebuilt and their versions will increase slightly | 13:23 |
| ecksun | yes | 13:24 |
| ecksun | what happens if I do a clean build of the same package twice, with the pr service? | 13:24 |
| ecksun | s/package/recipe/ | 13:24 |
| rburton | it increases | 13:26 |
| rburton | *every* build increases the version | 13:26 |
| ecksun | but then the checksum would match? | 13:26 |
| rburton | unless you delete the little database that maps packages to versions | 13:27 |
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| rburton | oh if there's something in sstate that matches then it will pull that | 13:27 |
| rburton | if you explicitly say "do a build from scratch" then the version bumps | 13:27 |
| rburton | hi Crofton | 13:28 |
| ecksun | what is the purpose of the pr service in that case? | 13:28 |
| rburton | Crofton: i'd like to say all your photos of ELC-E food is making me hungry. | 13:28 |
| rburton | Crofton: that would be a lie though | 13:28 |
| rburton | ecksun: not sure what you mean | 13:28 |
| ecksun | rburton, if it will just bump the version even if I build the same package twice | 13:28 |
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| ecksun | then its just always bumping it, is it not? | 13:29 |
| rburton | its bumping for every build, yes. what's the alternative? | 13:29 |
| ecksun | bumping only when changes happen | 13:29 |
| ecksun | i.e. the checksum is different | 13:29 |
| rburton | but if its rebuilding then the checksum is different | 13:30 |
| rburton | otherwise it wouldn't be rebuilding | 13:30 |
| ecksun | well, if I do a clean build with the same definition? | 13:30 |
| ecksun | then would not the checksum be the same but a rebuild unnescesary (since that version is known since before) | 13:31 |
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| jku | ecksun: I think you should use the exact bitbake command you mean with "clean build" -- I think you may be talking about different things | 13:36 |
| ecksun | well, rm -rf . && git clone $REPO | 13:37 |
| ecksun | :) | 13:37 |
| ecksun | your answers seems to suggest there is some interaction between the sstate and the pr service I dont understand | 13:38 |
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| marka | anyone know if Saul Wold is anywhere on IRC? | 14:15 |
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| rburton | marka: he is sgw_ | 14:48 |
| marka | ah, I should have been able to figure that out. thanks | 14:49 |
| Crofton | rburton, the food is accceptable, although mainly eating Doner for lunch | 14:49 |
| marka | sent sgw_ a patch in the meantime, hopefully it can get applied and meta-security parsing successfully again. | 14:49 |
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| sgw_ | marka: saw it a few minutes ago, Armin (armpit) has been doing most of the maintenance and merging | 14:53 |
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| marka | I tossed up putting him and you on the --to and ended up hitting enter with only you on it | 14:54 |
| marka | live and learn I guess | 14:55 |
| marka | anyways, he should pick it I would assume | 14:55 |
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| sgw_ | marka: I assume so, I will wait till tomorrow and pull it if he does not, I am not sure if he is at ELC and might be busy with that. | 15:02 |
| marka | yep, lots of folks travelling today | 15:03 |
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| marka | too bad the patch submitter tossed in a "Fix typo" part to his commit, most likely as an afterthought to the extent he never even followed up with an attempt to build | 15:04 |
| marka | no need to 'save' a commit by not doing this sort of thing on its own | 15:05 |
| marka | anyways, we all make mistakes, hopefully something is learned in the process | 15:06 |
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| kergoth | http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/, https://github.com/ZhaoLion/O-Reilly-Offering-Programming-eBooks-for-Free | 15:19 |
| seebs | oooh | 15:19 |
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| kergoth | dunno if any are any *good*, but free is free | 15:20 |
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| kergoth | fray: well put in #8596, adding that to the docs would be nice, i'm sick of repeating it when someone asks about it on a semi-regular basis :) | 15:58 |
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| fishey1 | Hey folks, I'd like to use PACKAGE_DEBUG_SPLIT_STYLE='debug-file-directory', but I'm also using meta-qt, which splits out it's qt4 recipie into multiple packages, each with their own dbg package (with paths for these manually specified). What's the right way to handle this? Is having one all-encompassing -dbg package the typical way to handle it? Or should I use manual FILES_${PN}-foo-dbg = "..." | 17:26 |
| fishey1 | specifications that allow multiple debug split styles? Or is the automatic -dbg package generation smart enough to handle things if I get out of it's way? | 17:26 |
| fishey1 | [clarification: issue with meta-qt4 is it's manual paths for FILES_${PN}-foo-dbg presume '.debug' usage] | 17:26 |
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| kergoth | fishey1: i expect the best bet would be to drop the per-package dbg-packages to align with the core and let the automatic bits do their job, if you're on a recent enough version | 17:43 |
| fishey1 | kergoth: would that result in one large ${PN}-dbg package, or would I still get the split-out ${PN}-foo-dbg where a ${PN}-foo exists? | 17:44 |
| kergoth | one large one. but one could presumably add per-package dbg-package support to the automatic bits and thereby do it at a policy level for all recipes | 17:45 |
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| fishey1 | ok. for extending the automatic bits, would that likely amount to adjusting meta/classes/package.bbclass populate_packages() to generate a -dbg package for each normal package, and then populate the -dbg package based on the paths included in the plain package it corresponds to? | 17:50 |
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| kergoth | yeah, exactly. | 17:56 |
| kergoth | somewhere around here i have a class that does exactly that, but it was before the current automatic bits got merged | 17:56 |
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| Circuitsoft | Can a bitbake recipe refer to an include file in a different layer? | 19:59 |
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| fishey1 | Circuitsoft: it can, include resolution tries each of the included layers from each layer's root. | 20:07 |
| Circuitsoft | Include or bbclass? | 20:08 |
| fishey1 | I end up doing things like 'require recipes-foo/bar/bar.inc' occasionally, where recipes-foo/bar is in a different layer | 20:08 |
| Circuitsoft | Ah. I see. | 20:08 |
| Circuitsoft | Okay. | 20:08 |
| fishey1 | I'm not sure what the resolution order is though | 20:08 |
| Circuitsoft | That's okay. I'm just trying to upgrade a recipe by putting a new one in my own layer, referring to the original recipe's include file. | 20:09 |
| fishey1 | Circuitsoft: in that case, you may also want this fancy thing: | 20:09 |
| fishey1 | FILESEXTRAPATHS_append = ":${@os.path.join(os.path.dirname(bb.parse.resolve_file('recipes-connectivity/bluez5/bluez5.inc', d)), 'bluez5')}" | 20:10 |
| fishey1 | :) | 20:10 |
| fishey1 | If you're re-using patches or files from the original package, you'll need to add the path to them in FILESEXTRAPATHS as the default file resolution is based on the location of the recipe (.bb file) | 20:11 |
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| yann|work | what is this configure.sstate that sometimes appears in work dirs, with unpacked content not being available causing do_install to fail ? | 21:32 |
| yann|work | second time tonight on a different package: "install: cannot stat '.../tmp/work/amdfalconx86-poky-linux/initramfs-live-boot/1.0-r12/init-live.sh': No such file or directory | 21:33 |
| yann|work | could it be a side-effect of forced interruption of a build ? | 21:34 |
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| neverpanic | yann|work: configure.sstate doesn't have anything to do with whether things are unpacked; it's just a file to track whether a 'make clean' is needed, IIRC | 22:07 |
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