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| titankiller | what would be the workflow to add my new application using the yocto 1.6 (daisy) build | 06:53 |
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| titankiller | I'm famiiar with devtools, but its not available in daisy | 06:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | titankiller: basically its no different, just a little less automated. its always: have a layer and put your recipe in there. the documentation state from 1.6 concerning that process is here: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.6/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#new-recipe-writing-a-new-recipe | 06:55 |
| redengin | devtools aren't supported in daisy images? | 06:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | titankiller: you might even give the devtool-created recipe file a try, e.g. manually copy it over. probably it makes a good start. | 06:56 |
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| LetoThe2nd | redengin: "devtool" sepcifically wasn't around until jethro, IIRC | 06:56 |
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| redengin | wow, devtool actually looks pretty awesome. does it work as simply as the documentation? | 07:00 |
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| LetoThe2nd | redengin: devtool is just some magic around creating local recipes and a layer to hold them, basically. the really cool stuff is in the eSDK: its, in short, a frozen sstate plus all tools needed to create images based on the original one locally. and thats really awesome. | 07:02 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:28 |
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| aV_V | when I append packages (IMAGE_INSTALL_append), these packages from where they come? from which repositories? | 07:38 |
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| mckoan | aV_V: the packages listed by IMAGE_INSTALL_append are the recipes you have in the layers | 07:41 |
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| aV_V | mckoan: I mean the external source, which repository? | 07:44 |
| mckoan | aV_V: that is described in the recipe using SRC_URI | 07:45 |
| aV_V | mckoan: ty | 07:46 |
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| aV_V | building meta-toolchain-qt5, I will get the sdk needed to cross-compile from my host to target, is that right? | 11:25 |
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| LetoThe2nd | aV_V: basically thats what it is supposed to do, right | 11:40 |
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| aV_V | LetoThe2nd: right, then as I will develop Qt programs, my target image would have installed some qt libraries, right? How I install them with bitbake? | 11:47 |
| aV_V | Or after I build the sdk, and I rebuild my linux image, they will install? | 11:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | aV_V: they have to be included in the image recipe, usually through either a packagegroup or package, in IMAGE_INSTALL | 11:49 |
| aV_V | ok, then I need to specify it. But first I need to discover what packages I need | 11:50 |
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| fl0v01 | Hi, i want to virtualise my image that i created for an arm embedded device. I would start at compiling the image vor x86_64. But what where should i go next? can i use docker or nspawn? I want to see how the software behaves when many devices are connected to the network so i want to spawn multiple container that can interact which each other. Unfortunately i dont have any experience what so ever with virtualisation | 12:06 |
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| Ulfalize2 | fl0v01: might be simpler to just start multiple qemu instances | 12:08 |
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| LetoThe2nd | fl0v01: better just take the software, make it run on real hw and then kick off multiple instances. | 12:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | fl0v01: of course you can also beat it into shape until it runs on qemu or vbox or such, but thats only easy if it does not have any hw dependency. | 12:09 |
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| LetoThe2nd | (and then you would need to switch to x86, just stick to qemu-arm) | 12:10 |
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| fl0v01 | there are some components that have hw dependencies, but i would first leave them out and later try to simulate those. My biggest interest is to see how the network is behaveing | 12:10 |
| fl0v01 | ok so ill look into qemu | 12:10 |
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| lewiatan | Hi. Do you know how to disable replacing symlinks when I set "MACHINE_FEATURES += read-only-rootfs" ? | 14:53 |
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| lewiatan | I have 2 partitions and one of them is system partition - ro and other is rw. I created links from first (e.g. /etc/resolv.conf) to the second but bitbake keeps replacing that with links to tmpfs.. | 14:55 |
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| lewiatan | Anybody? | 15:08 |
| Anticom | Sorry, don't know | 15:09 |
| Anticom | Does anyboddy know, how to list all packages a recipe produces? | 15:09 |
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| lewiatan | @Anticom - you can use "-g" switch and you have packages in one of the generated files.. | 15:10 |
| lewiatan | you can also try bb tool | 15:10 |
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| lewiatan | ok. sorry, bb does not help, but NXP guy's suggest this beautiful oneliner: bitbake -g <image> && cat pn-depends.dot | grep -v -e '-native' | grep -v digraph | grep -v -e '-image' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq | 15:13 |
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| Anticom | jesus christ... i now went with `find` in work directory :D | 15:14 |
| Anticom | worked for me aswell | 15:14 |
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| Anticom | but thanks anyway. I'll bookmark this for later use | 15:15 |
| Anticom | lewiatan: Also call me stupid but why is replacing symlinks even a thing in a ***read-only***-fs ? | 15:15 |
| kergoth | lewiatan: bb list and bb search can both cover the packages namespace from the metadata, using the same info that comes out of -g | 15:16 |
| kergoth | but if you want to list packages *emitted* from a recipe, that can differ, and you'd be best off looking at pkgdata or buildhistory | 15:16 |
| kergoth | s/recipe/build/ | 15:16 |
| Anticom | kergoth: hm well since i've just built my image both should be in sync, right? | 15:16 |
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| lewiatan | @kergoth: well, you're the expert here :-) | 15:18 |
| kergoth | Anticom: it isn't about sync, it's about the fact that binary packages aren't emitted if there are no files in them, and some recipes emit binary packages entirely based on runtime (PACKAGES_DYNAMIC) | 15:18 |
| Anticom | kergoth: ah i see | 15:18 |
| Anticom | thank you for elaboration | 15:18 |
| kergoth | that said, they should all be listed in some form between PACKAGES and PACKAGES_DYNAMIC in the recipe, just the latter is a regex pattern, not a list of packages, since we dont knwo what it'll emit until packaging time | 15:19 |
| lewiatan | as it comes to replacing symlinks when "read-only-rootfs": I think the tool somehow checks if symlink points to rw rootfs.. I would like to check how it works but I don't know where to search | 15:19 |
| kergoth | lewiatan: see fs-perms.txt and also the volatile-binds recipe | 15:20 |
| kergoth | well, the latter is about bind mounting to tmpfs, not symlinking, so more likely the former is your culprit, or base-files | 15:20 |
| kergoth | if you're curious about what exactly happens when read-only-rootfs is set, read image.bbclass :) | 15:21 |
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| Anticom | I'd love to have this as audio-book (: | 15:21 |
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| lewiatan | Thank you @kergoth | 15:22 |
| kergoth | Hmm, there's no bb command to just show the packages emitted by a single recipe, exactly. There's bb-contents, but that only works after the recipe has been built,a dn shows both packages and their contents.. there's bb-list/bb-search, but those are about finding provides, i.e. "what packages include bash in their name", not limiting to just a specific recipe | 15:22 |
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| kergoth | I do recall I was going to implement a subcommand to list what a recipe provides, build time and run time, but I don't think I ever got around to it | 15:23 |
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| kergoth | worst case there's bb show -r recipe PACKAGES PACKAGES_DYNAMIC :) | 15:23 |
| Anticom | kergoth: imo the entire structure of all tools is very confusing. I never really understood why there are like 10 different "utilities" that more or less seem to do similar things | 15:23 |
| kergoth | well, bb was created because bitbake didn't have any real tools for inspection, other than bitbake -e / bitbake -g | 15:24 |
| kergoth | nowadays there's bitbake-layers, which provides some of it | 15:24 |
| Anticom | and then there's layertool and recipetool and what not | 15:24 |
| kergoth | they have specific purposes | 15:24 |
| Anticom | sure but why not consolidate them into one tool | 15:24 |
| Anticom | why would i have to remember all those tools if i could just remember the options for a single tool. IMHO way more convenient | 15:25 |
| kergoth | you'd clutter up that one tool with a million and one commands or arguments :) | 15:25 |
| kergoth | -a -f -g -fourty-two-other-options isn't exactly usable either | 15:25 |
| kergoth | a matter of taste, i guess | 15:25 |
| Anticom | kergoth: systemctl is kind of like that. I still like it. But that's a matter of personal preference i suppose | 15:25 |
| Anticom | haha o/ | 15:25 |
| kergoth | i do think bitbake should get its command-line interface revamped in general | 15:25 |
| kergoth | I think sub-command based would be the way to go, it already has too many options, some of which are only valid in certain circumstances | 15:26 |
| kergoth | bb was sort of an experiment with that. i was going to add build/clean commands, and long term see about potential integration with bitbake proper | 15:27 |
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| kergoth | but it hasnt' been a priority, for anybody, i think | 15:27 |
| Anticom | fair enough :) | 15:27 |
| lewiatan | @kergoth - but still a lot of people use it - it's a good tool | 15:32 |
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| kergoth | aye, it doesn't get much love, but I think it still fills a gap. hopefully we can fill that gap in bitbake proper and make it unnecessary at some point. just a matter of time | 15:33 |
| * kergoth yawns | 15:33 | |
| kergoth | hmm | 15:33 |
| joshuagl | doesn't get much love? :-o | 15:33 |
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| kergoth | bb doesn't, bitbake does, obviously :) | 15:33 |
| joshuagl | bb is certainly loved | 15:34 |
| joshuagl | just like most oe tooling it's word of mouth | 15:34 |
| joshuagl | "oh, you didn't know about this?" | 15:34 |
| * dv__ wonders how often people have confused "krogoth" with "kergoth" ;) | 15:34 | |
| kergoth | heh, true. there are a bunch of those, even within oe-core (scripts/ and scripts/contrib/) | 15:34 |
| joshuagl | but yeah, we definitely need a path to integrating bb with bitbake. Or enhancing bitbake with ideas we've learned from bb, or however you want to phrase it | 15:35 |
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| Ulfalizer | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#viewing-package-information-with-oe-pkgdata-util provides some of the functionality of bb | 15:44 |
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| kergoth | oe-pkgdata-util examines build output. the only overlap with bb is the 'contents' sub-command, which just wraps oe-pkgdata-util and tells the user the oe-pkgdata-util command to use | 15:49 |
| Ulfalizer | that's a very important subcommand at least | 15:50 |
| Ulfalizer | it's kinda insane to me that oe-pkgdata-util was undocumented for so long :/ | 15:50 |
| kergoth | agreed | 15:51 |
| kergoth | very very handy tool | 15:51 |
| kergoth | i should use it more, actually | 15:51 |
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| Ulfalizer | bitbake-layers has some overlap too. i'll submit more comprehensive documentation for that once a patch gets in. | 15:56 |
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| a_VV | I have read that doing bitbake meta-toolchain-qt5 is legacy method. So what would be the right way with yocto krogoth? | 17:51 |
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| a_VV | so it's bitbake -c populate_sdk imagename | 18:01 |
| a_VV | what must be imagename: meta-toolchain-qt5 or the system image? | 18:02 |
| stephano | a_VV: yes, the system image. also, you may look at the extensible SDK. | 18:06 |
| stephano | a_VV: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.1/sdk-manual/sdk-manual.html#sdk-extensible | 18:06 |
| stephano | bitbake -c populate_sdk_ext imagename | 18:07 |
| a_VV | stephano: then where it's specified that I want the Qt5 sdk? | 18:08 |
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| stephano | a_VV: in your system image. | 18:08 |
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| a_VV | with SDK_DIR variable? | 18:12 |
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| stephano | a_VV: here is an example: bitbake -c populate_sdk_ext core-image-minimal outputs the sdk in ${SDK_DIR}. For qt5 you can do the same thing, but with my-image-qt5 as the imagename. | 18:15 |
| a_VV | stephano: hmmm, I get it. But let's say that I have core-image-base, and want to build Qt5 SDK. Then I need to edit the core-image-base recipe? | 18:17 |
| a_VV | I already have downloaded meta-qt5 btw | 18:19 |
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| stephano | a_VV: Create your own image, do not edit core-image-base. (Feel free to base your image off it though) | 18:22 |
| stephano | a_VV: check the dev manual: | 18:22 |
| stephano | a_VV: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.1/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#understanding-and-creating-layers | 18:22 |
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| a_VV | I guess that I need to make do_populate_sdk(){} on my recipe | 18:23 |
| a_VV | ok, I will check that ty | 18:24 |
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| Circuitsoft | Hello - is there a way to clear out old entries from my sstate-cache that wouldn't be used by a build in the current config? | 21:03 |
| Circuitsoft | I've tried moving my sstate_cache somewhere else and pointing to it with SSTATE_MIRRORS, but that doesn't seem to try downloading native packges. | 21:04 |
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| kergoth | Circuitsoft: sstate-cache-management.sh, iirc. see oe-core/scripts/ | 21:48 |
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