Thursday, 2017-01-26

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khemanselmolsm:00:28
khemah I was looking for ant_home00:28
anselmolsm:)00:28
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manjuhi all, if I build Yocto e-sdk (based on Morty) on a RHEL7.x version, can I use it on older RHEL version?04:46
manjui am planning to use locked-sigs for native packages04:46
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RobbinGreetings, I am trying to build an Image using Yocto Poky version that contains the tomcat-8.  I have tried couple of recipes from openembedded repo but its not working as its only having servlet and its also old version. Can anyone suggest me a working recipes that can build tomcat-8? A quick help or a hint will be very helpful. Thank you.07:14
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LetoThe2ndRobbin: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=tomcat suggests that there is nothing noteworthy out in the wild07:19
RobbinLetoThe2nd: Thank you very much for quick reply. Really appreciate it. Yes thats correct the default servlet comes from the tomcat-5.5 and its not the full tomcat web server. I am assuming there should be a way to  have/include the full tomcat as a web server.07:22
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LetoThe2ndRobbin: there obviously is a way, as its only software. its just that nobody paved that way yet for you (e.g. published a recipe)07:23
LetoThe2ndRobbin: so you'll probably have to take one of those and modify/extend until it fits your needs.07:24
RobbinLetoThe2nd: Yes thats right. Its thing of putting all things in the recipe.07:24
RobbinLetoThe2nd: The way i was assuming that If i can get a hint to include the full blown server its doesnt matter if its old release.07:25
RobbinLetoThe2nd: At the end as you suggest I am also gonna do it as I am playing around it ...but was thinking can get a help from the Gurus like you :)07:26
LetoThe2ndRobbin: um, what do you expect? looking at the recipe, its rather small anyways: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-java/tree/recipes-core/servlet-api/servlet2.4_5.5.26.bb?h=master07:27
LetoThe2ndRobbin: but as there is java involved, things might be complicated.07:28
* LetoThe2nd cannot help there much, for a reason07:28
RobbinLetoThe2nd: Yeah thats fine ... and for the JAVA it was just matter of compiling with the correct JVM and I have done it..07:29
RobbinLetoThe2nd: I already have a working JAVA platform in the Yocto recipes and Now was trying to include the tomcat.07:30
LetoThe2ndRobbin: like i said, i really can't help you there.07:35
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RobbinLetoThe2nd: No problem. I really appreciate it.07:38
RobbinLetoThe2nd: will see if i can get a help from here and will continue to my test with it.07:38
RobbinLetoThe2nd: Thankyou.07:39
LetoThe2ndRobbin: have fun07:40
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RobbinLetoThe2nd: yeah compiling this kind of stuffs alwyas being a fun!07:40
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T_UNIXhi! What's the recommended way to specify the rootfs image I want packaged with the meta-toolchain-qt5 recipe?09:25
T_UNIXbbappend?09:25
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rburtoni *still* have no idea why meta-toolchain-qt exists as a thing09:46
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rburtonwhy would gnulib decide to write ITS OWN STDINT.H09:50
jkuyou know, all those users demanding C90 support  :)09:52
rburton<insert standard GNU rage here>09:52
gizeroHi! Is there any known "limitation" to what an unpdated eSDK could deliver? More precisely: should I assume any particular "change" in the eSDK content/setup not being suitable to be applied through eSDK updates? Adding recipes through new dependencies seems the most frequent/expected use-case, but I'm wandering what I should expect i.e. by removing recipes from the target image's dependencies list or even09:54
gizerohigh-impact configuration changes like enabling systemd after delivering a initsysv-based eSDK. Of course I can do test any of these patterns (and I'm building some eSDKs right now), but I'm hoping for community wisdom to forsee any potential wrong assumption here...09:54
jkuis there a clever way to debug changes to e.g. package.bbclass? I'd just like to re-package a specific recipe after a change but of course bitbake starts packaging the whole world before it...09:55
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rburtonjku: sadly not.  do a build in a tmpfs for a little bit more speed?09:57
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rburtoni believe you can use bitbake -b to tell it to run just a specific bb file, but i wouldn't be surprised if a fair bit breaks09:57
RPed2: any ideas on https://autobuilder.yocto.io/builders/nightly-oe-selftest/builds/164 ?09:59
rburtonRP: looking at the musl #if thing now10:00
RPrburton: thanks10:00
RPrburton: I have a fix for multilib10:00
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T_UNIXrburton: is there a channel dedicated to meta-qt5 stuff? :)10:08
rburtonnope10:08
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RPgizero: If it works in a normal build directory, it should work in the eSDK, they use the same approach10:09
RPgizero: We've gotten a lot better about cleaning things out these days10:10
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gizeroRP: ok, in one of my initial tests (maybe from a quite dirty build setup) the sdk-update thing went wrong complaining for missing initsysv stuff while updating a default conf eSDK with a systemd-only one... Trying to reproduce on a simpler setup and see if it happens again. Will report back asap10:15
RPgizero: does that work in a normal build directory?10:15
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ed2rburton: can you merge my 2 yesterday patches?10:16
rburtoned2: check ross/mut, i think they're both in10:17
rburtonoh helps if i push first10:17
rburtonnow check :)10:17
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gizeroRP: I don't understand what you mean for "work in a normal build directory". The eSDK builds fine, then I guess that's not a problem of just building with the updated configuration (with systemd enabled). It was fails while updating the SDK, but let see if I can reproduce on master with a core-image-minimal based eSDK...10:21
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RPgizero: If you take a normal TMPDIR, build configuration A, then change to configuration B, does the build work as expected?10:22
RP(without wiping TMPDIR)10:22
gizerouhmm... collateral problem here...10:23
gizeroERROR: core-image-minimal-1.0-r0 do_sdk_depends: Error executing a python function in exec_python_func() autogenerated:10:23
gizeroThe stack trace of python calls that resulted in this exception/failure was:10:23
gizeroFile: 'exec_python_func() autogenerated', lineno: 2, function: <module>10:23
gizero     0001:10:23
T_UNIXis mingw by now integrated as host machine? Or is there an up-to-date layer to provide a mingw sdk?10:23
ed2rburton: thank you!10:23
gizero *** 0002:extend_recipe_sysroot(d)10:23
gizero     0003:10:23
gizeroFile: '/home/gizero/work/upstreaming/poky/meta/classes/staging.bbclass', lineno: 551, function: extend_recipe_sysroot10:23
gizero     0547:                        continue10:23
gizero     0548:                    if native:10:23
gizero     0549:                        dest = staging_copyfile(l, recipesysrootnative, fixme['native'], postinsts, stagingdir)10:23
gizero     0550:                    else:10:23
gizero *** 0551:                        dest = staging_copyfile(l, destsysroot, fixme[''], postinsts, stagingdir)10:23
gizero     0552:                    if dest:10:24
gizero     0553:                        m.write(dest + "\n")10:24
gizero     0554:10:24
gizero     0555:    for f in fixme:10:24
gizero     0266:        os.symlink(linkto, dest)10:24
gizero     0267:        #bb.warn(c)10:24
gizero     0268:    else:10:24
gizeroFile: '/home/gizero/work/upstreaming/poky/meta/classes/staging.bbclass', lineno: 270, function10:24
gizero     0269:        try:10:24
gizero *** 0270:            os.link(c, dest)10:24
gizero     0271:        except OSError as err:10:24
gizero     0272:            if err.errno == errno.EXDEV:10:24
gizero     0273:                bb.utils.copyfile(c, dest)10:24
gizero     0274:            else:10:24
T_UNIXgizero: use a no-paste service, please :)10:24
gizeroException: FileExistsError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/scratch/gizero/poky-master-build/tmp/sysroots-components/i586/systemd/usr/include/libudev.h' -> '/scratch/gizero/poky-master-build/tmp/work/qemux86-10:24
gizeropoky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/recipe-sysroot/usr/include/libudev.h'10:24
gizeroERROR: core-image-minimal-1.0-r0 do_sdk_depends: Function failed: extend_recipe_sysroot10:24
gizeroT_UNIX: sorry for that... ;-)10:25
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gizeroRP: this is when rebuilding the eSDK with changed config (systemd enabled)10:25
BaloneyGeek|workDoes meta-raspberrypi no longer include a working recipe to use binary broadcom hardfloat drivers?10:26
gizeroRP: didn't happen before...10:26
BaloneyGeek|workWith the default userland providing egl, this happens when I build eglinfo-fb10:27
BaloneyGeek|workpoky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/libexec/arm-poky-linux-gnueabi/gcc/arm-poky-linux-gnueabi/6.2.0/ld: src/platform_fb_raspberrypi.cpp.1.o: undefined reference to symbol 'vc_dispmanx_element_add'10:27
BaloneyGeek|workAnd libbcm_host.so doesn't actually include the string vc_dispmanx_element_add10:28
rburtongizero: we recommend wiping tmp when changing DISTRO_FEATURES10:28
RPgizero: I can see why that would break :/10:32
gizeroRP: here is build config and log after enabling systemd (not backfilling sysinitv yet). Previous build of eSDK went fine. http://pastebin.com/TjztfycQ10:32
RPgizero: I'd bet this would break in a normal builddir without eSDK10:33
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LetoThe2ndcreated an esdk and found a second deployedable script ending in buildtools-nativesdk-standalone. what is this meant for? or is it just an intermediate artifact?10:42
gizeroRP: do you mean master as is is broken when enabling systemd on core-image-minimal?10:42
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RPgizero: I mean if you switch sysvinit/sytemd settings like that on a normal TMPDIR, I suspect we'll see the same failure10:44
RPgizero: its from recipe specific sysroots :(10:44
gizeroRP: ok, got your point... I see 2 options here... going back in time on a pre rss commit and get back to my initial issue (upgrading eSDK from sysinitv to systemd) or maybe help somewhat with this one... I'll get back to this later anyway10:46
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RPgizero: btw, can you tweak that sdk patch you sent to remove the path to pyshtables.py ? then it matches how poky does it and isn't distro specific (which the eSDK isn't) ?10:48
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ed2rburton: can you merge this one also? http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2017-January/131805.html11:52
ed2rburton: it fixes wic occational test failure.11:53
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rburtoned2: done12:02
ed2rburton: thanks12:02
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LetoThe2ndis there a reason why the (e)sdk env does set path to sysroot/usr/bin, but not the toolchain subdirectory? resulting in the tools not being found OOTB12:09
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kanavin>>> os.path.join('a','/b','c')12:30
kanavin'/b/c'12:30
kanavinanyone has an idea of how to make python not do this?12:30
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neverpanickanavin: lstrip(os.path.sep) on all arguments to os.path.join12:31
neverpanickanavin: it's documented and expected behavior12:31
kanavinneverpanic: documented yes, expected, no :)12:32
rburtonka6sox: this is why we have oe.path.join12:32
neverpanicDepends on whether you've read the documentation, I'd say?12:32
rburtondamnit12:32
rburtonkanavin: this is why we have oe.path.join12:32
kanavinrburton: I guess I have to convert all of my newly written dnf code to use it then12:32
rburtonyes12:32
kanavinneverpanic: what I mean is that it's counter-intuitive - if I want to join paths, I don't want components to be thrown away like that12:33
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RPkanavin: its widely known as an example of where python got the API wrong :(12:35
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mborzeckikanavin: are you debugging wic rawcopy plugin by any chance?12:48
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kanavinmborzecki: no, I'm replacing smartpm and rpm5 with dnf and rpm412:48
mborzeckiaah, ok, looked similar to what I found in wic :)12:49
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RPed2: If I add your patch on the list, the wic pieces in master-next should be ok to merge to master?12:59
ed2RP: I've just successfully run wic tests on ross/mut, so probably yes13:02
ed2RP: ross: I rebased my hddimg patchset on top of ross/mut: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2017-January/131813.html13:05
ed2RP: rburton: I'm sure it conflicts with master and probably with master-next too.13:06
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kanavinmy python-fu is quite rusty13:09
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kanavinhow does one search in lists with a key function?13:10
kanavini.e. I need to find something in a list of strings that begins with "#!"13:11
RPkanavin: >>> y = ['a', 'b', '#!c', '#!d']13:13
RP>>> [x for x in y if x.startswith("#!")]13:13
RP['#!c', '#!d']13:13
kanavinRP: I need only the index of the first occurence13:13
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kanavinRP: actually this is the issue: I have a script that begins with13:14
kanavin# libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-loader-gif - postinst13:14
kanavin#!/bin/sh13:14
kanavinI need to strip away everything that comes before #!13:14
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RPkanavin: x.split("#!")[1] ?13:15
RPkanavin: although I guess that swallows the #!13:16
kanavinRP: what if #! occurs later in file?13:16
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kanavin(I mean, more than once)13:16
RPkanavin: x.split("#!", 1)13:17
kanavinRP: yeah, that should work :) although I still wonder how I could get the list index without resorting to an ugly for loop13:18
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RPkanavin: [i for i,x in enumerate(y) if x.startswith("#!")][0] is the best I can come up with13:21
kanavinRP: I'm surprised [0,1,2,3].index() only takes a value to match exactly, and not a function... not very powerful facility13:23
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pohlyI'm trying to get multipath-tools to build. Something in the parameters after "-shared" causes gcc to switch back to linking an executable, leading to undefined references to main: -shared -Wl,-soname=libmultipath.so.0 -O2 -pipe -g -feliminate-unused-debug-types -fdebug-prefix-map=.../multipath-tools/0.5.0+git770e6d0da0-r0=/usr/src/debug/multipath-tools/0.5.0+git770e6d0da0-r0 -fdebug-prefix-map=.../multipath-tools/0.5.0+git770e6d0da0-r0/recipe-sy14:22
pohlyRepeating -shared directly before -o fixes it.14:23
pohlyDoes anyone see what the reason could be?14:23
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kanavinpohly: your line truncates at "git770e6d0da0-r0/recipe-sy", there is no -o in it14:41
pohlykanavin: here's the complete line again: http://zerobin.org/?acf010b984aeaefa#yDaASn9KKIGfiQHJzBqvOlMrppNOpoQ4KzI89HEMfnU=14:42
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pohlyI'm now patching the Makefile to work around the issue, so I'm not blocked. Still would prefer to understand it, though ;-}14:43
kanavinpohly: -pie14:44
pohlyYep, "man gcc" agrees.14:44
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pohlyI guess one can argue that multipath-tools.bb shouldn't put that into CFLAGS.14:45
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gizeroRP: OK, going to send a V2 of the sdk patch14:49
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RPgizero: thanks!14:50
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RPinterestingly, saving out all the datastores as we parse means a 770MB cache file. "compressing" with intern() to reduce string duplication, 754MB14:54
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rburtonRP: surprisingly lack of reduction tbh15:00
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RPrburton: python3 got better at string handling15:01
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RPand if I just save the task dependency data its 409MB15:59
RPso still an order of magnitude too big :(15:59
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rburtonalimon: i see a pile of qa patches have landed but the bugs are still open: you can get the glory if you close them before i run my script ;)16:37
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alimonrburton: i don't have assigned bugs about oeqa16:38
alimonrburton: give me the numbers16:38
alimon:)16:38
rburtonalimon: http://pastebin.com/GhuHZEZA16:40
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alimonrburton: good, let me review it16:41
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alimonrburton: yes those are pending minus oeqa tests are incompatible with python's unittest runner16:46
alimonrburton: that's the reason i said first set of patches... there are a lot of work on qa if you want some :D16:46
alimonrburton: certainly selftest is a monster...16:50
kanavinalimon: are you an expert in testimage.bbclass?16:55
alimonkanavin: i don't say expert, but i known testimage well and mariano too16:56
kanavinalimon: how do I handle this failure?16:56
kanavin| Couldn't get ip from qemu process arguments! Here is the qemu command line used:16:56
kanavin| /home/ak/development/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/qemu-system-i386-serialtcp:127.0.0.1:54709-cpuqemu32-m256-serialtcp:127.0.0.1:39329-drivefile=/home/ak/development/poky/build/tmp/deploy/images/qemux86/core-image-sato-qemux86.ext4,if=virtio,format=raw-vgavmware-show-cursor-usb-usbdevicetablet-devicevirtio-rng-pci-snapshot-kernel/home/ak/development/poky/build/tmp/deploy/images/qemux86/bzImage--4.8.12+git0+926c93ae07_021b4aef55-r0-qemux86-20170116:56
kanavin| and output from runqemu:16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - MACHINE: qemux8616:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - DEPLOY_DIR_IMAGE: /home/ak/development/poky/build/tmp/deploy/images/qemux8616:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - CONFFILE: /home/ak/development/poky/build/tmp/deploy/images/qemux86/core-image-sato-qemux86.qemuboot.conf16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - Continuing with the following parameters:16:56
kanavin|16:56
kanavin| stty: 'standard input': Inappropriate ioctl for device16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - Running /bin/ip link...16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - Setting up tap interface under sudo16:56
kanavin| sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - Acquiring lockfile /tmp/qemu-tap-locks/.lock...16:56
kanavin| runqemu - INFO - Created tap:16:56
kergothplease use a pastebin16:57
kergothdon't spam the channel16:57
alimonkanavin: seems that runqemu tries to up a tap device without permissions16:57
alimonkanavin: did you add NOPASSWD to sudo?16:58
kanavinkergoth: sorry16:58
kanavinalimon: nope, I'd like to be prompted when random binaries call it :)16:58
kanavin*random binaries I downloaded from random websites :D16:58
kergothspecify an askpass program?16:58
kergoththat's the best way to deal with out of band authentication in general16:59
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rburtoned2: wic just blew up16:59
rburton|   File "/home/ross/Yocto/poky/scripts/lib/wic/plugins/source/bootimg-efi.py", line 170, in do_prepare_partition17:00
rburton|     bootimg_dir = os.path.join(get_bitbake_var("WORKDIR"), "efi")17:00
rburton|   File "/usr/lib/python3.4/posixpath.py", line 82, in join17:00
rburton|     path += b17:00
rburton| TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +=: 'NoneType' and 'str'17:00
kanavinkergoth: runqemu doesn't support providing an askpass argument to sudo as far as I can see17:00
kergothkanavin: read `man sudo`17:01
kergothyou can use an env var or sudoers as well17:01
kergothafaict anyway17:01
justanotherboykanavin: you can use runqemu-gen-tapdevs, I don't have sudo installed on my desktop17:04
kergothgood suggestion17:06
kanavinkergoth: justanotherboy: thanks, solved via sudo.conf17:07
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smurrayanyone happen to know what YP release WRL 9 is going to be based off of?17:29
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RPhmm, I can get the task dependency data to around 290MB but its still way too large to save our for debugging :(17:41
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kergothtried different formats, rather than pickle? what's the goal you're working on, anyway ?17:42
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RPkergoth: these hash mismatch errors. If we could save out more data into the cache during parsing it would help debugging17:44
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kergothah17:44
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RPkergoth: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/commit/?h=rpurdie/wip-rss&id=97a3ef495e6db2e7a49dbdbd2f8de542dec6a024 - taking the data that would usually go into sigdata files and trying to "compress" it before saving into the cache17:47
RPkergoth: horrible code but had to be worth a try17:47
JaMais -f accident when force pushing to bitbake repo?17:47
JaMa * [new branch]      master-next-f -> origin/master-next-f17:47
RPJaMa: that doesn't look good17:47
RPJaMa: 7 months ago17:48
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JaMayes, noticed when updating some very old build directory :)17:48
RPJaMa: gone, thanks17:49
JaMathanks17:49
clsullivopenssl might be having issues with the recipe specific sysroots17:49
clsullivthe symlinks in /usr/lib/ssl/ seems to be broken17:49
* RP removes noupdatedata too17:49
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JaMais someone already working on improving rm_work to remove more with recipe specific sysroots? With recipe-sysroot recipe-sysroot-native now in WORKDIR I need to buy a lot more RAM or stop doing builds in tmpfs18:00
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RPJaMa: space usage should be similar as its all hardlinks18:00
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JaMathen it's something else eating my tmpfs much faster than before18:01
JaMa36G     tmp-glibc/work18:01
JaMamaybe hardlinks don't work as this is tmpfs (separate partition) from the sysroots in BUILDDIR?18:02
RPJaMa: ah, yes you need sysroots-components in the same disk18:02
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JaMaok, that might help 1.8G    tmp-glibc/sysroots-components/18:03
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JaManow just to find out why do_patch doesn't find quilt binary on jenkins builder18:04
dreynaIs Jefro around?18:07
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themikenicholsonStupid question - what is the solution for a recipe where the package has no license file whatsover, the package is a single gzipped font file?  I know I can set the license to closed but the projects cite states that it is GPL.18:24
themikenicholsonCan i disable the QA check for LIC_FILES_CHKSUM and keep LICENSE = "GPL" since that is more correct than LICENSE = "CLOSED"18:25
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nrossithemikenicholson: Use the common license files in meta, LIC_FILES_CHKSUM ?= "file://${COMMON_LICENSE_DIR}/GPL-2.0;md5=801f80980d171dd6425610833a22dbe6" or whatever GPL version it is. Assuming it is indeed standard GPL18:30
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_BenI'm trying to compile a driver for a system I built with Yocto... where can I find the kernel source that Yocto used? is there something local created or do I need to look through the recipes and find where the kernel was pulled from19:03
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themikenicholsonnrossi: Thanks!19:11
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manjuhi all, is my assumption correct: I can use an Morty based esdk built on RHEL7.2 on an RHEL6.8 version? Am I on a valid path?19:34
manjuwe have a requirement to support our customers on RHEL68....hence the query19:35
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rburtonmanju: tbh it would be a lot safer to build on 6.820:00
rburton(you'll discover that binary software vendors build on ancient redhat releases to get the most compatibility out of the binaries)20:01
manjurburton: ok, i am facing quite some issues on 6.8 especially qemu-native breaking due to older gcc version20:01
manjuhence was looking around for feasible solutions20:02
rburtonyou could try - it depends on the versions of the toolchain on both and whether incompatible changes were made to libgcc/glibc/etc.20:03
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manjurburton: thanks20:07
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ed2rburton: I have a fix in my contrib branch ed/wic/wip20:29
ed2rburton: it's rebased on top of your ross/mut. Should I send the whole thing to the mailing list or your can merge my branch into yours?20:30
JaMaRP: rburton: do you plan to bump minimal required bitbake version for oe-core (after bumping the version in bitbake) with older revision recipe-specific-sysroots fail to find quilt (and everything else if they don't fail in do_patch already), see https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097720:32
yoctiBug 10977: normal, Undecided, ---, ross.burton, NEW , quilt missing in recipe-sysroot-native for build with slightly older bitbake revision20:32
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rburtonJaMa: just reading that now.  bumping seems the best thing just to ensure the versions are right20:45
kanavin_homerburton: does yocto support live updates of target devices between YP releases using package feeds? (desktop distro - style)20:46
kanavin_homerburton: or is 'make an image and reflash' the official way?20:46
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rburtonJaMa: can't really see anything relevant in the git log.  do you use rm_work?20:46
rburtonkanavin_home: it should work, yes.  we've some qa checks to ensure versions don't go backwards, but it's not as well tested as it should be.20:47
rburtoned2: sent patches please20:47
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kanavin_homerburton: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9724 seems to indicate it's not actually officially recommended20:48
yoctiBug 9724: normal, Medium, 2.4, jair.de.jesus.gonzalez.plascencia, ACCEPTED , Create a YP 2.2 test plan for package upgrades20:48
kanavin_homerburton: which is a good thing I guess, because I don't see a sane way to do a live update from rpm5 based distro to an rpm4 one20:49
rburtonha, i knew there was a subtext :)20:49
kergothmaintaining package upgradability is non-trivial. it's a serious amount of maintenance load that we aren't putting enough effort into. of course, there are a number of other update mechanisms and projects around nowadays20:50
kergothi think only angstrom has ever prioritized it20:50
rburtoni think we'd be okay with a big entry in the release notes, if a feed from either side of rpm5/rpm4 was impossible to migrate.20:52
rburtonthe act of installing rpm4 and removing rpm5 would be "non trivial" to start20:52
kanavin_homekergoth: yeah, but at some point desktop-style updates via remote repos should be supported officially, also from one YP release to next YP release20:52
kanavin_homerburton: exactly, and if something breaks in that transaction, you are seriously SOL20:52
rburtonkanavin_home: are you offering to own that bug?20:52
kergothwe'd have to have sufficient resources to do so20:52
kergothwe barely have enough to cover what we need as it is20:52
* kergoth shrugs20:52
rburtonit shouldn't be *that* much effort to at least automate verifying a poky feed works from day to day20:53
kergoththat's assuming you only test from version M to version N. what about M to O, or N to Q, or..?20:53
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kergothand even then there's the work involved in actually fixing and maintaining such issues, beyond the testing20:54
rburtonyeah it's totally non-trivial20:54
kanavin_homerburton: is 'maybe later' an acceptable answer for the owning a bug question?20:56
rburtonso, any objections to adding 'acl' to default DISTRO_FEATURES?20:56
kergothif you only ever support upgrades from one release to the next release, and not master or jumps beyond one release, that'd help pare it down, but there's still hte upgrades along the stable branch track20:56
rburtonfor a core-image-sato it's just adding libacl dependencies to three packages, but adds a reasonable amount of functionality that modern systems might expect.20:56
rburtonkanavin_home: absolutely20:56
kanavin_homerburton: the question got stuck in my head because I just wrote an epic response to Mark in 967520:57
seebsa side note, i haven't been actually looking closely at pseudo bugs, I think all the stuff I know of is probably in reasonable states, but I haven't had time to actually go check.20:57
seebsIf there's specific issues that people think are broken, feel free to ping me.20:58
seebs(... and on a side note, I will totally get around to some reliability improvements Any Week Now.)20:58
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JaMarburton: yes I'm using rm_work21:02
JaMarburton:  but not sure how rm_work would affect do_patch dependencies21:02
JaMaor rather not executing extend_recipe_sysroot inside do_patch21:02
rburtonJaMa: me neither but i'd be curious if that would make a different. :)  can you try disabling it?21:03
JaMafails the same without rm_work21:05
kanavin_homeseebs: not an issue as such, but for tracking pseudo releases, we'd need either git tags or tarballs21:05
kanavin_home(i.e. being notified when there's a new release, or checking what is the latest release right now)21:05
ed2rburton: you can remove hddimg patchset from your branch. I'll send v3 at some point, but not today. It's still under testing.21:09
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JaMarburton: The required bitbake commit is:21:14
JaMa4dcd0e5 event/ast: Add RecipeTaskPreProcess event before task finalisation21:14
seebsI don't think I've done any git tags or tarballs for a while. But I will likely do a tag and tarball after any proposed reliability fixes.21:15
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skrawnwhat changed recently that all of my images (except -minimal) now require sudo?22:21
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rburtonskrawn: bitbake -g can probably tell you23:22
rburton(nothing that i'm aware of in oe-core at least)23:22
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skrawnok, I thought it would be something obvious because I do have to include "empty-root-password" explicitly now or I can't log into any images23:30
skrawnlast big update to the morty branch was 1/11 and I just started building new images23:30
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skrawnbut now I can't even restart because I need to be super user :P23:31
rburtonwell if you don't set empty-root-password then you need to set the root password yourself, as otherwise root won't have a password23:32
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