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| beeker23 | hmmm... how can i force the rebuild of the u-boot image? | 04:37 |
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| beeker23 | done | 04:40 |
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| cornel | kanavin, we are using internally a form of 'jethro' (a commit from last year), therefore not all patches in your 'fuzz' brranch apply to us | 05:36 |
| cornel | so i take recipes one by one and check what applies and not. in the event something from your branch is not applicable to jethro, i will rework it | 05:38 |
| cornel | and i want to have this public for obvious reasons | 05:39 |
| cornel | others do not have to do it again | 05:39 |
| cornel | ... | 05:39 |
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| ranchu | hello, I am not sure if it is possible to use more than one package manager in target. Is it ? | 05:59 |
| ranchu | I find example in docs: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2.1/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-PACKAGE_CLASSES | 05:59 |
| ranchu | Yet, I don't understand if it is possible or not. | 06:00 |
| ranchu | "The build system uses only the first argument in the list as the package manager when creating your image or SDK. However, packages will be created using any additional packaging classes you specify" ?? | 06:00 |
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| ranchu | hello, I am not sure if it is possible to use more than one package manager in target. Is it ? | 06:02 |
| ranchu | "The build system uses only the first argument in the list as the package manager when creating your image or SDK. However, packages will be created using any additional packaging classes you specify" ?? | 06:02 |
| ranchu | from http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2.1/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-PACKAGE_CLASSES | 06:02 |
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| ranchu | I am not sure if it is possible to use more than one package manager in target. Is it ? "The build system uses only the first argument in the list as the package manager when creating your image or SDK. However, packages will be created using any additional packaging classes you specify" ?? | 06:28 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: you asked thee times now in 30 minutes. and i assume you are also the one who asked on the ML. | 06:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: now tell me, what for? | 06:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | (besides ross' answer that already was on the ML) | 06:32 |
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| ranchu | LetoThe2nd - Right .... it's me.... | 06:35 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: so what was not clear about the answer? | 06:36 |
| ranchu | I am just not too sure about the answer | 06:36 |
| ranchu | Because in doc it gives examples of using more than one. | 06:36 |
| ranchu | But I got in ML answer that it is not recommended | 06:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: yes, because the build process can generate package feeds for more than one package manager. | 06:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | but that what it is. package feeds. your image uses only one. | 06:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | multiple package managers on the same system, trying to manage the same files will inevitably clash, as their databases do not know of each other | 06:38 |
| ranchu | If it use just one, so what the purpose of giving more than one in the PACKAGE_CLASSES ? | 06:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | the purpose is to be able to generate package feeds. | 06:38 |
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| ranchu | I am a bit confused. If we can use just one, why do we need to generate package feeds (which we cna't use probably ?) ? | 06:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: who says that a package feed can be consumed by only one image. | 06:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: imagine creating a package feed with bitbake world, and providing two images that use it. one ipk based, one rpm based. | 06:40 |
| LetoThe2nd | for example. | 06:40 |
| ranchu | I think I start to understand. PACKAGE_CLASSES can be used for more than one image ? | 06:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | its just another take at the POV. usually we are image-focused here, so we build exactly what needs to go into one image. | 06:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | package feeds on the other hand are distribution focused. you generate everything that anybody could need, and then pick what suits your problem | 06:43 |
| ranchu | OK, so usually we will only use one package manager in PACKAGE_CLASSES | 06:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: in about 99.9% of cases, yes. | 06:43 |
| ranchu | OK, Thanks a lot. I think I finally got it :) | 06:44 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ranchu: look at the angstrom distribution. the point is that as long as the abi is stable, the package feed can be used across multiple images. | 06:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | *sigh* | 06:45 |
| * cornel doesn't understand much of this technology | 06:46 | |
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| LetoThe2nd | its not that complicated, its just understanding what a package feed, a distribution, and an image are. | 06:46 |
| cornel | so a package feed is a kinda package repository? for example a directory with packages? | 06:50 |
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| cornel | this document http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/package-manager-white-paper.pdf says "tmp/deply" :) | 06:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | cornel: a package feed is something that can (with more or less effort needed) be used as a package repository. you know, that magic server thing that all people think of as "a distribution" and think that when they have runtime package management will magically solve all their problems. | 06:53 |
| cornel | not sure if it's woorth fixing it, though | 06:53 |
| cornel | LetoThe2nd, thank you | 06:54 |
| cornel | picture is clearer now | 06:54 |
| LetoThe2nd | the document is outdated anyways, with kanavin's latest smart->dnf transition | 06:54 |
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| LetoThe2nd | cornel: basically its that runtime package management as people know it is pretty useless without an upstream package repository. and the feeds are what goes into such a repository. | 06:56 |
| cornel | roger that | 06:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | just another reason why i think runtime package management is completely overrated. | 06:57 |
| cornel | LetoThe2nd, what's you ideal way of managing packages in a system already installed? | 06:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | cornel: why would i want to manage packages there anyways? | 06:59 |
| cornel | for example to fix a bug | 06:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | (always talking about an embedded device, as that is the focus here. desktop/server is a completely different beast, of courese.) | 06:59 |
| cornel | you say that it's simpler to just generate an uptodate image? | 07:00 |
| cornel | LetoThe2nd, right, let's say a device that manages a car | 07:00 |
| cornel | and you have a fix for it | 07:00 |
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| LetoThe2nd | we always do complete image updates. so we know that the system is in a consistent state. | 07:01 |
| cornel | ok | 07:01 |
| cornel | i wonder how can this be done over the air, or if it is possible at all | 07:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | usually the volatile data is already enough to give us headaches, why should we want to have even more fun with dependencies, possibly failing packages, etc.? | 07:02 |
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| cornel | i see your point | 07:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | cornel: well we use swupdate by sbabic. a option for OTA could be mender.io AFAIK | 07:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | plus, in many many applications you do not have OTA. and you do not want updates that you did not trigger manually. | 07:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | so imagine the fun of a service tech standing in front of the device, plugging in a thumb drive containing XYZ packages, and then kicking off the package manager. just to find out at 95% percent that the update fails because something is missing, corrupted, out of disk space. | 07:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | if he has only one binary blob, those things go away. theres still enough to go wrong. | 07:05 |
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| cornel | LetoThe2nd, for a hands on update, i agree | 07:06 |
| cornel | the problem i see when doing this ota is that it can also fail, and it will no longer be just one package | 07:07 |
| cornel | so you have to have a backup | 07:07 |
| cornel | and this means duplicate storage space | 07:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | see mender.io :) | 07:07 |
| cornel | i don't know what mender.io is doing | 07:07 |
| cornel | i've seen some mentions of a server ,though | 07:07 |
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| cornel | ok: Image-based updates using a dual A/B rootfs partition layout with rollback support | 07:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | it does exactly what you just said. duplicate rom space and use that for OAT updates. | 07:08 |
| cornel | yep | 07:08 |
| cornel | but in automotive this means increased cost, right? | 07:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | it means increased cost everywhere. | 07:09 |
| cornel | i mean significantly increased | 07:09 |
| cornel | sure | 07:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | now that depends. | 07:09 |
| cornel | but automotive tends to be a little more expensive :) | 07:09 |
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| cornel | but in an ideal world, yes, i woud go for this solution | 07:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | i don't know what the automotive guys are doing, i'm more like an industrial guy. | 07:09 |
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| LetoThe2nd | and our customers are more like "OTA? go away. we need something that works hands on. and only hands on." | 07:10 |
| cornel | my understanding is that automotive things are more expensive because the various requirements (security, integrity,etc) are stronger | 07:10 |
| cornel | that's beside the usual greed and cartel practices, of course | 07:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | automative certainly has a lot of checks and validation in place. and yes, those do come with a price | 07:11 |
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| Snert | ability to do large temperature swings is a cost too. | 07:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | many things cost money. | 07:12 |
| cornel | right | 07:12 |
| Snert | I just wish I used my iphone to log into my car and set it up. | 07:13 |
| cornel | can you use a computer for this? | 07:13 |
| Snert | my 29K car should come with a handheld device that does that. | 07:13 |
| cornel | so true | 07:14 |
| cornel | what i wish is there's a way for these cars to cutoff network connection to external world | 07:14 |
| Snert | yes, a computer can be used...but the engineers do not choose to expose anything useful. | 07:14 |
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| LetoThe2nd | you would have to give me car and iphone for free so i would accept that. | 07:14 |
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| Snert | it's now the year 2017. And if I leave my headlights on it kills the battery. | 07:15 |
| Snert | that's fucking stone age. | 07:15 |
| cornel | :/ | 07:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | well mine does just beep. stone age technology that works. | 07:16 |
| Snert | it will beep for hours whilst the battery dies. | 07:16 |
| Snert | useless. | 07:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | it will beep the moment i pull out the key and open the door. i cannot leave the car without noticing it beeping. so no hours involved ;-) | 07:17 |
| Snert | it can't alert your smartphone. | 07:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | which smartphone? | 07:17 |
| cornel | :) | 07:17 |
| Snert | the one in your pocket. | 07:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | Snert: would you please show or enlighten me which one you mean? | 07:18 |
| Snert | iphone or android or whatever your device is. | 07:18 |
| Snert | or the car should come with a pocketable smartdevice for $29K it costs. | 07:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | nokia something, 15 euros from the supermarket | 07:19 |
| Snert | the car itself cost 29K. for that price it should at least come with a device. | 07:20 |
| cornel | my ideal kinda phone | 07:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | and you're free to not buy a 29k car if the offer does not fit your expectations. | 07:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | instead of complaining afterwards. | 07:20 |
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| Snert | the market would be huge if the engineers but thought about it. | 07:21 |
| Snert | sell all kinds of stuff to the car owner. | 07:21 |
| Snert | manulas...parts. | 07:21 |
| cornel | it is true though that the new smart tech is largely marketing, not really doing what you expect from it | 07:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | I know a lot of people in automotive. and believe me, there a lot of thought going into what they sell, and what they do not sell. | 07:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | this is absolutely non-trivial | 07:22 |
| Snert | yes. But it takes a company like apple to do a good car/computer/human interface. | 07:22 |
| Snert | apple needs to do the AppleDash. | 07:23 |
| Snert | get in bed with detroit and take us forward. | 07:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | it takes a company like apple to make a user interface that meets the expectations of people already using apple. | 07:23 |
| * LetoThe2nd is off for some coffee, nevertheless | 07:23 | |
| Snert | it can include android stuff too. | 07:23 |
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| kanavin | cornel: the 'fuzz' branch is maybe 15 percent complete, so backporting it to jethro now is totally wasteful and pointless - instead I would appreciate if you could help us complete the work for the master branch | 08:37 |
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| kanavin | RP: so how does one delete files at package time (rather than install time)? Is there a ready-to-copypaste example in recipes somewhere? | 08:49 |
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| jku | rburton, kanavin: do we record the actual postinst intercept commands anywhere? That update_gio_module_cache discussion on list looks a bit worrying | 09:01 |
| jku | I thought we did but probably gave wrong advice... | 09:01 |
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| cornel | kanavin, what i plan to do is: backport to jethro what is already done (because we are working on jethro) and then look at what is not already fixed | 09:02 |
| cornel | this is partly because right now i don't know of any proper procedure to fix a patch | 09:03 |
| jku | cornel: you are aware that most of the fixes are probably cosmetic | 09:03 |
| cornel | if i would do, i would gladly do it first for morty and only later for jethro | 09:03 |
| cornel | jku, sure | 09:03 |
| jku | RP: so /usr/bin/env usage is because SDK uses it to re-route to host tools? | 09:05 |
| jku | I knew i must be missing something | 09:05 |
| jku | can I read about this somewhere or is that all I need to know? | 09:06 |
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| kanavin | cornel: I still think it's not a good use of your time. why do you want this done? | 09:09 |
| kanavin | jku: let me see the discussion - not feeling very well today :( | 09:10 |
| cornel | kanavin, we are working on jethro, so we need the fixes there. but as i've said, i would gladly do it first for your branch but i do not know how to correctly create the fixed patches | 09:11 |
| cornel | i can do things like diff -Nupr but git format-patch is foreign language to me | 09:11 |
| kanavin | cornel: why do you need the fixes? | 09:11 |
| cornel | kanavin, we want to create more deterministic releases :) | 09:12 |
| cornel | we've seen cases where patches were applied wrongly but it appeard to be ok | 09:12 |
| cornel | what we've seen had no impact (those that allowed also do_compile) | 09:13 |
| cornel | but we wonder if there are any other patches that do have impact | 09:13 |
| kanavin | cornel: it's a very tedious job, I'd suggest you wait for the tool support | 09:14 |
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| kanavin | cornel: you'd be fixing some 80 failing recipes, and I fear for your sanity | 09:15 |
| cornel | :) | 09:16 |
| cornel | kanavin,ok | 09:16 |
| cornel | kanavin, do we have an eta for the tool support? | 09:16 |
| kanavin | cornel: I would rather prefer you fix it in master - that would truly benefit everyone, but not straight away : | 09:16 |
| kanavin | cornel: paul eggleton has been silent about this for several weeks - I suggest you leave a comment in bug 8325 | 09:17 |
| yocti | Bug https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8325 enhancement, Medium, 2.3, paul.eggleton, NEW , devtool modify could handle patch failure more usefully | 09:17 |
| kanavin | cornel: I'm not doing any further work on this, until there is a tool :) | 09:17 |
| cornel | ok, thank you kanavin | 09:20 |
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| kanavin | jku: I read the discussion, it looks to me that the real issue is that gio-querymodules is failing when it shouldn't | 09:26 |
| kanavin | jku: and I still don't see why chown would be at all necessary | 09:26 |
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| joshuagl | kanavin: that bug is a medium enhancement, if it's blocking work it probably needs its priority adjusting? | 09:33 |
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| kanavin | RP: long story short, I believe Chris's patch is ok, but Peter's is not (as it breaks first boot deferral | 09:36 |
| kanavin | joshuagl: I guess it does yeah | 09:37 |
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| RP | kanavin: did you get an answer to you package specific deletion? | 09:38 |
| RP | kanavin: highlighting here is acting odd this morning :/ | 09:39 |
| RP | jku: I think that is mostly what you need to know | 09:39 |
| RP | jku: seriously tempted just to patch those files to use /usr/bin/env perl and add "use warnings;" to the script | 09:39 |
| RP | kanavin: how does Peter's break first boot deferral? hides exit code? | 09:40 |
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| kanavin | RP: yes | 09:41 |
| kanavin | RP: ugh, ambigous 'yes :) I did not get an answer about package specific deletion, but peter's patch does hide exit code :) | 09:42 |
| RP | kanavin: the expression to grep for is PACKAGE_PREPROCESS_FUNCS, e.g. the horrors in binconfig.bbclass | 09:44 |
| kanavin | RP: thanks :) | 09:44 |
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| RP | ant_work: around? | 10:09 |
| RP | ant_work: I'd like to confirm whether without that patch, the postinst is still deferred to first boot or not | 10:09 |
| ant_work | hello | 10:10 |
| ant_work | without this patch there aren't warnings so I suppose no, it's not deferred | 10:11 |
| RP | ant_work: please don't suppose. It wouldn't necessarily show warnings | 10:12 |
| ant_work | what I did see, was the string ##libglib-2-0-0 in one of the postinst files | 10:13 |
| RP | ant_work: have you a do_rootfs log with the patch reverted you could share? | 10:14 |
| ant_work | not now, I can give one in a few hours | 10:14 |
| RP | ant_work: thats fine, thanks. I just want to make sure we understand what is going on (I think I might have some idea now) | 10:15 |
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| pohly | Apropos postinsts, I was trying to help with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43067776/linux-capabilities-with-yocto/43109887#43109887 this morning, which is about setcap in postinst. | 10:19 |
| pohly | I got stuck with ensuring that "setcap" is actually available when running the postinst during image construction. | 10:19 |
| pohly | RDEPENDS_${PN} = "libcap" ensures that setcap is on the device. | 10:20 |
| pohly | But that doesn't install it into recipe-sysroot-native, does it? | 10:20 |
| pohly | RP: ^^^ | 10:20 |
| RP | pohly: no, it doesn't | 10:20 |
| kanavin | ant_work: "the string ##libglib-2-0-0 in one of the postinst files" is not an indication of first boot deferral at all - you need to inspect the log.do_rootfs to see if it happened or not | 10:20 |
| kanavin | RP: ^ | 10:21 |
| pohly | RP: does one have to use a DEPENDS = "libcap-native" then instead? | 10:21 |
| RP | pohly: I wrote about this in the RSS emails, I don't remember offhand :/ | 10:21 |
| pohly | Same here ;-} | 10:22 |
| kanavin | that string merely means that one of the recipes requested that script to be executed during image build. If the script fails, then first boot deferral happens. So we need to ensure the failing is not swept under carpet with various patches. | 10:22 |
| kanavin | (such as Peter's) | 10:22 |
| RP | pohly: I added a variable iirc | 10:22 |
| RP | pohly: PACKAGE_WRITE_DEPS | 10:23 |
| pohly | Ah, now I remember. | 10:23 |
| RP | kanavin: it would be nice to collect some of this better in the logs... | 10:25 |
| kanavin | RP: I filed a bug for fixing the entire postinst scripts mess, you told me to defer that work to 2.4 ;) | 10:26 |
| RP | pohly: thanks for the rm_work fix btw, nicely done :) | 10:26 |
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| RP | kanavin: I'd like to fix the logging and wasn't too keen on some of the other changes iirc | 10:26 |
| pohly | RP: it's still only a workaround, though. Long-term it would be nice to have ordering dependencies in addition to hard dependencies, for cases like this. | 10:27 |
| pohly | But yeah, for now it has to do ;-} | 10:27 |
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| RP | pohly: Having spent some number of years working with dependencies, I don't think they divide into those two types as easily as you think | 10:28 |
| phako[m] | Hi - why does the gstreamer1.0-omx recipe have a commercial license flag? | 10:28 |
| pohly | RP: I can imagine that sometimes it is one, sometimes the other, and sometimes both. I think that's how systemd works. | 10:29 |
| pohly | Anyway, definitely not trivial. | 10:29 |
| RP | pohly: right. Wish I had the time to think about that properly... | 10:29 |
| pohly | Yes. Not now. | 10:30 |
| kanavin | RP: but we do need to robustly detect script failures, and clearly separate them from intented first boot deferrals - neither is happening right now | 10:30 |
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| kanavin | and yes better logging for what is happening | 10:31 |
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| ilkmc2r | Hello there, we have a HPC cluster with 1280 cores. Is it possible to run bitbake using all this cores to speed up the build time ? | 11:15 |
| ilkmc2r | Does bitbake have this feature or could it be implemented ? | 11:16 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: the system will automatically set BB_NUMBER_THREADS and PARALLEL_MAKE to take advantage of multiple cores. The bigger problem is the build is not able to parallelise in places (e.g. the toolchain is needed to cross compile anything) | 11:17 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: so the system will make best use of that is available but its not going to see 100% usage | 11:18 |
| ilkmc2r | RP: But, our cluster was built by using 8 cores 16GB rams of blades, So if I run it on single blade, it will do 8 task at a time. I mean can we use whole HPC cluster, by using a job scheduler etc.. | 11:19 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: we don't support distributed builds currently, no | 11:20 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: its a nice idea but in reality we can't even fully use a big system like my 88 core machine so its not been a priority. There is an open bug for it | 11:20 |
| ilkmc2r | ilkmc2r: Is this on your roadmap or is it | 11:20 |
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| ilkmc2r | RP: Is this on your roadmap ? | 11:21 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: we'd certainly like to do it but there have been other higher priority things. We're working on deciding what might go into 2.4 atm | 11:21 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: it really needs some people interested to work on it... | 11:22 |
| ilkmc2r | RP: Well, we will try to implement it, and If we go success we will share it with you :) | 11:22 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: can I ask who "we" is? | 11:23 |
| ilkmc2r | RP: By saying "we", I mean 12 people of an university's software development team. Near East University. | 11:23 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: Bitbake already has a strong "cooker/server" and worker abstraction where bitbake-worker does all the execution and talks over a pipe to the server | 11:24 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: hopefully that means some of the hard work has already been done | 11:24 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: in multiconfig builds we already support multiple worker execution too | 11:24 |
| jku | ilkmc2r: there's a icecc class but it's a bit tricky to keep it running smoothly (the class but also icecc itself). A beefier build host felt like a much better use of my time than dealing with weird issues | 11:25 |
| RP | ilkmc2r: please do talk to us as you do it rather that do this in isolation as whilst we've not implemented it, we do have ideas that could likely help (like the above abstractions) | 11:26 |
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| RP | jku: icecc also only helps compile jobs which is about 20% of our build time | 11:27 |
| jku | right | 11:28 |
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| phako[m] | jku: o/ | 11:30 |
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| ilkmc2r | RP: I will discuss this with my team members and will keep in touch with you. And started to learning about cooker/server mechanism | 11:32 |
| jku | hey phako[m] | 11:32 |
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| jku | so how do I build a nativesdk quilt ? | 11:37 |
| rburton | nativesdk-quilt? | 11:40 |
| jku | rburton: it doesn't seem to inherit or extend anything related to nativesdk ... is it really part of nativesdk? | 11:42 |
| rburton | hm | 11:42 |
| RP | jku: perhaps there isn't a nativesdk version of it :/ | 11:42 |
| rburton | then the problem is hypothetical :) | 11:42 |
| RP | jku: I know we've had this issue with other nativesdk recipes... | 11:42 |
| jku | yeah this finally explains the weird obsession with env that I had been wondering about :) | 11:43 |
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| jku | RP: so I assume you would still rather have a quilt patch that uses "${USRBINPATH}/env perl" in shebang ? | 11:51 |
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| dl9pf | question on TUNE-FEATURES: why does TUNE_FEATURES_tune-aarch64 = "aarch64" not include 'neon' and 'vfpv4' | 11:59 |
| dl9pf | some packages check the features for neon and on aarch64 they don't catch it then | 12:00 |
| dl9pf | e.g. libpng | 12:00 |
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| RP | jku: I think its a better example to set | 12:32 |
| RP | jku: at some point we need to unify quilt and quilt-native and this should help with that too | 12:33 |
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| kanavin | rburton: can you give this to autobuilder again? I fixed a few long hanging fruits there, so would like to get a build which is less cluttered with obvious issues :) https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/openssl-1.1 | 12:53 |
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| rburton | kanavin: fired on yocto.io | 12:55 |
| CTtpollard | yocto.io ? | 12:56 |
| kanavin | rburton: thanks, time for nap I guess :) | 12:57 |
| jku | CTtpollard: second autobuilder cluster | 12:57 |
| rburton | we're on trend with a .io domain ;) | 12:59 |
| gtristan | mkay... so, Have we really no way in 2017 to create a bootable filesystem image that A.) is not vfat and B.) does not require root ? | 12:59 |
| kanavin | .io is def for the cool kids | 13:00 |
| CTtpollard | I wondered if yocto had gone into the UX business for a second | 13:00 |
| gtristan | Ummm, scratch that, there is with libguestfs tools, but that is a huge amount of stuff | 13:00 |
| kanavin | .org is so 2000s | 13:00 |
| Crofton|work | .build is better | 13:00 |
| jku | .yocto , now only $185000 | 13:01 |
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| phako[m] | what, for a whole tld? bargain | 13:02 |
| phako[m] | let me fire my question again: Does anyone know why gstreamre1.0-omx has LICENSE_FLAGS="commercial" ? because it's ususally not usable without the vendor OMX libs? | 13:03 |
| rburton | phako[m]: probably worth asking whoever wrote the original recipe. really should be a comment to explain… | 13:04 |
| jku | phako[m]: you might be right, that could be a mistake | 13:05 |
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| kanavin | phako[m]: does 'git blame' reveal anything? | 13:07 |
| phako[m] | dv | 13:07 |
| phako[m] | authorCarlos Rafael Giani <dv@pseudoterminal.org> | 13:07 |
| phako[m] | http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/recipes-multimedia/gstreamer/gstreamer1.0-omx.inc?h=morty&id=e200e61529fa5a78354cde67442e90ace4b3857c | 13:07 |
| phako[m] | ah, no, inherited from the 0.10 plugin | 13:08 |
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| phako[m] | http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/recipes-multimedia/gstreamer/gst-openmax_0.10.1.bb?h=morty&id=43410523a07d9eb52a7d57ae3dc1cc320cbbc6f9 | 13:08 |
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| kanavin | phako[m]: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262 | 13:15 |
| yocti | Bug 1262: normal, Medium, 1.1, saul.wold, RESOLVED FIXED, Default build of world should not fail due to COMMERCIAL_LICENSE issues | 13:15 |
| kanavin | maybe omx recipes is no longer dependent on 'commercial' recpes, and so the line can be dropped | 13:16 |
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| rburton | phako[m]: oe-core c69453fe94a649c518b0e6d79616f05579b864ce | 13:22 |
| rburton | looks like it can be removed | 13:23 |
| rburton | get a patch on the list asap as 2.3 is freezing | 13:23 |
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| T0mW | I was at ELC this year and took the Yocto Advanced workshop. | 14:06 |
| T0mW | I'm upgrading my Jetrho to Morty, attempting to anyway, and have a question about the devshell changes | 14:06 |
| T0mW | We used to be able to 'bitbake -c devshell u-boot', then edit files and, within devshell, '../temp/run.do_compile' to try the build interactively. | 14:07 |
| T0mW | Now, when we use devtool, how does that equate to what I just outlined? Is there some step-by-step example I can study? The Yocto Documentation is a bit too abstract about his this topic and I'm looking for a more concrete example of a devtool process. | 14:09 |
| T0mW | e.g. 'devtool -c configure u-boot' == 'bitbake -c configure u-boot', or, 'bitbake -c compile xxxx', seems devtool has little granularity? | 14:11 |
| phako[m] | rburton: I'll check | 14:15 |
| kergoth | T0mW: once devtool has set up the tree, you can build either with 'devtool buid' or with usual bitbake commands | 14:18 |
| kergoth | shit, i need to look at the gio module intercept issue asap this morning, i had to set aside work and watch matthew last night so didn't get time to look at it :\ | 14:19 |
| T0mW | kergoth: like 'devtool -c configure blah' ? | 14:19 |
| T0mW | or just use 'bitbake -c configure blah' and it will go to the workspace | 14:20 |
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| T0mW | kergoth: yeah, I pushed a commit yesterday that borked a customers code, I just remembered that I've got to fix that myself. :/ | 14:21 |
| T0mW | ls | 14:21 |
| kergoth | i hate it when i submit something that has been working for ages for us and it explodes and breaks stuff for other people. not the first time, won't be the last, i'm sure | 14:21 |
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| kergoth | still quite irritating all around | 14:22 |
| T0mW | i did a quickie fix and didn't test it, arrogance on my part "my code doesn't stink" | 14:22 |
| kergoth | happens to us all :) | 14:22 |
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| sobczyk | how do I find out what pulls in virtual/kernel? I want a chroot image, so no kernel needed | 14:29 |
| sobczyk | is it always on, and I should select linux-dummy? | 14:32 |
| rburton | yes | 14:33 |
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| sobczyk | bitbake-diffsigs tells me my do_configure hash changed, but my bb has do_configure[noexec] = "1" | 15:48 |
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| sobczyk | how can I find the culprit? | 15:49 |
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| kergoth | most likely it's a task that your do_configure depends on that changed | 15:51 |
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| kergoth | https://twitter.com/siemens_press/status/847482515388600320 | 16:23 |
| kergoth | it's official, the acquisition of mentor is complete | 16:23 |
| rburton | is this where you sell all your new stock and retire to an island somewhere? | 16:23 |
| kergoth | hah, it's not like mentor was private or something. | 16:24 |
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| tmpsantos | anyone experienced with tegra-t18x and boot2qt? | 16:47 |
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| tmpsantos | I can't find the nvidia-layer/meta-tegra layer | 16:48 |
| tmpsantos | have to assume it is proprietary | 16:48 |
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| CTtpollard | tmpsantos: this is the most upto date I can find Solarwinds Application Users Mailing List | 16:49 |
| CTtpollard | erm, wrong buffer.... | 16:49 |
| CTtpollard | https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-tegra/ tmpsantos | 16:49 |
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| tmpsantos | CTtpollard: I found that one too, but doesn't seem to be the one boot2qt is expecting | 16:51 |
| CTtpollard | tmpsantos: is there public documentation for what you're following? | 16:51 |
| tmpsantos | CTtpollard: https://doc.qt.io/QtForDeviceCreation/ | 16:52 |
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| CTtpollard | tmpsantos: what happens when you export the machine name & run the init script? Does it not bring in the necessary layers? | 16:58 |
| tmpsantos | CTtpollard: I think I found the issue, it requires a layer marked as "internal" | 16:58 |
| tmpsantos | points to... <remote fetch="ssh://git@git.qt.io/boot2qt" name="playground"/> | 16:59 |
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| paulg | anyone seen this before I start investigating? Just appeared recently ; seems like x86-64 sysroot cruft contaminating my arm64 target binaries... | 18:32 |
| paulg | | ERROR: oe_runmake failed | 18:32 |
| paulg | | /home/paul/poky/build-arm64/tmp/work/aarch64-overc-linux/libsolv/0.6.26-r0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/lib/librpmdb.so: error adding symbols: File in wrong format | 18:32 |
| paulg | | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status | 18:32 |
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| paulg | so - in a devshell, if I simply remove the reference to that x86-64 librpmdb.so, then the link completes w/o error. | 18:44 |
| kergoth | shouldn't be looking for libs in that sysroot at all | 18:45 |
| paulg | agreed ...appears the turds to link are crafted up in some cesspool of Cmake hell | 18:45 |
| paulg | putting on my hip waders and rubber gloves now. | 18:45 |
| kergoth | good luck :) | 18:46 |
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| paulg | ha, normally I try -c cleansstate right after I try "up-arrow + enter" for build fails. Since this looked like host contamination, I didn't immediately go there... | 18:50 |
| paulg | yet -c cleansstate fixed it. Go figure. :-/ | 18:51 |
| kergoth | lovely | 18:51 |
| paulg | ya, no kidding. | 18:51 |
| paulg | that said, I'm glad to have been spared the cmake drama. | 18:52 |
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| RP | rburton: pohly's net-tools patch breaks builds... | 21:37 |
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| stephano | RP: fix is simple I think. added a return to the shell function and it worked fine. | 21:52 |
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| RP | stephano: it needs a ":" | 21:53 |
| RP | stephano: but yes, same idea | 21:53 |
| stephano | RP: ah right, the mythical ":". so much better than "true". | 21:54 |
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| RP | stephano: its convention in our metadata by now... | 21:57 |
| stephano | RP: makes sense | 21:57 |
| RP | stephano: I've just tweaked the patch and updated -next | 21:58 |
| RP | hopefully a rebuild of -next should be faster on hot sstate... | 21:58 |
| stephano | Sounds good. I'll keep an eye on it. | 21:58 |
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| RP | There is definitely some kind of bottleneck going on with our builds, far too much "bursting" activity then stalling :/ | 22:19 |
| RP | at least on large numbers of cores | 22:19 |
| * paulg still sets jobs/packages manually. | 22:21 | |
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| RP | paulg, zeddii_home: Is https://pastebin.com/p8Jp8aqF a known kernel issue? | 22:28 |
| RP | seems I keep getting this on rebuilds :/ | 22:28 |
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| paulg | RP, have not seen that ; have not seen zeddii_home mention it either -- have a reproducer? | 22:30 |
| zeddii_home | nope. haven’t seen it either, and I do a lot of rebuilds. but yah, I’ll fix it if I can make it happen here. | 22:31 |
| RP | paulg: not yet but its the second time today, I cleaned it last time... | 22:31 |
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| zeddii_home | I’m heading out now. but will try a few rebuilds, haven’t tweaked anything in the kernel build at all lately. | 22:32 |
| RP | once could be my local crazy builds, twice suggests something lurking :/ | 22:32 |
| zeddii_home | yup | 22:32 |
| paulg | pretty sure zeddii_home does rebuilds in the same recycled build dir day after day as I do, so we _should_ see this if it is an issue. | 22:33 |
| paulg | that said, I'm building linux-yocto-dev mostly... | 22:34 |
| kergoth | stephano, RP: just as an FYI, colon as no-op isn't solely an oe convention. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#colon - "This utility shall only expand command arguments. It is used when a command is needed, as in the then condition of an if command, but nothing is to be done by the command." | 22:35 |
| kergoth | afk | 22:36 |
| zeddii_home | I’ll fire up some builds and see if I can make it happen .. but that will be later. have to head out for volleyball now. | 22:36 |
| paulg | | 1490912493.7192538: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘.’: File exists | 22:37 |
| paulg | sounds like a variable expanded to "" | 22:37 |
| zeddii_home | paulg: or the fence post, etc, blowing up. i.e. we cleaned up, and it didn’t expect to be cleaned up. | 22:37 |
| zeddii_home | my git pull of pky just died | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | > git pull --rebase | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | fatal: unable to connect to git.pokylinux.org: | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | git.pokylinux.org: Temporary failure in name resolution | 22:38 |
| paulg | nice. | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | I guess I wasn’t meant to do a build now before I leave :D | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | looks like all my nameservers are down. odd. | 22:38 |
| paulg | walk away and enjoy volleyball. :) | 22:38 |
| zeddii_home | I just hope it sorts itself out. I don’t want to drive into the office just for that. | 22:39 |
| stephano | kergoth: interesting. that's a good resource, thanks. | 22:39 |
| kergoth | np. yeah, it is, i often look up bits there to know what's portable shell | 22:40 |
| kergoth | http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ being the main index | 22:40 |
| RP | kergoth: thanks :) | 22:41 |
| RP | zeddii_home, paulg: I probably should sleep sometime soon and let the rest of this build finish. I'll poke at it more tomorrow, at least I know its not a known issue... | 22:42 |
| zeddii_home | yah. no worries. if it happens, just yell. I’ll take care of it if it is broken. | 22:42 |
| zeddii_home | I started a build, will see if I can make it pop up. | 22:43 |
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| paulg | yah, if you find a solid reproducer, you know where to find us. :) | 22:44 |
| RP | paulg, zeddii_home: https://pastebin.com/LMfJa6iN is the order the tasks ran in this build. So it started again from the checkout on an existing build | 22:46 |
| zeddii_home | yah. that’s my only mode of operation, so I have a good chance at seeing it. | 22:47 |
| zeddii_home | if you have any fancy stuff .. and by fancy, I mean rm_work, etc, I’d have to add it to my local.conf | 22:47 |
| paulg | Guess I should start a build w/o virtual provider kernel being dev. | 22:48 |
| RP | zeddii_home: depends how you define fancy. I did parallelise do_package_write_ipk. I don't think there is anything odd that would cause this though | 22:49 |
| paulg | I'm assuming that is closer to what RP is doing.... | 22:49 |
| zeddii_home | mine is now compiling, so I got futher. will trigger another build later. | 22:49 |
| * zeddii_home really goes, before he has to get a speeding ticket | 22:49 | |
| paulg | can't have zeddii_home being zeddii_homeless :) | 22:50 |
| RP | zeddii_home: have fun! | 22:52 |
| RP | paulg, zeddii_home: good news is it reproduces | 22:55 |
| RP | bitbake linux-yocto; <clean tmp>; bitbake linux-yocto -c compile -f; bitbake linux-yocto; bitbake linux-yocto -c kernel_checkout -f; bitbake linux-yocto <fail> | 22:57 |
| RP | mildly convoluted but... :). This was with MACHINE=qemux86-64 | 22:57 |
| paulg | RP, without any PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-yocto lines in local.conf or similar? | 22:59 |
| RP | paulg: correct. I am on master-next so http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?h=master-next&id=98efb6b7e430967cfc141149b9d5eeff423c6a91 is in there but shouldn't have any effect on this | 23:00 |
| RP | well, I'm on a local branch of craziness based on the above | 23:00 |
| RP | but nothing touching the kernel tooling or kernel | 23:01 |
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| RP | oh, hmm. That may not be true | 23:01 |
| RP | paulg, zeddii_home: I'm going to guess this breaks it: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/commit/?h=rpurdie/wip-rss2&id=362e261e1a54f762bac762ac80030d0684c058dd | 23:02 |
| * paulg plays Ozzie crazy train in his mind. | 23:02 | |
| RP | but only on rebuilds | 23:02 |
| RP | In my defence, that error is not obvious ;-) | 23:03 |
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| paulg | RP, what specifically was the use case that the above fixed? I'm left wondering that after reading the commit log. | 23:06 |
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| RP | paulg: I had a version of patchelf that created interesting binaries. The patchelf binaries refer to this as a bug in the kernel and I couldn't resist fixing it | 23:07 |
| RP | paulg: https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf/blob/master/BUGS | 23:08 |
| RP | paulg: in the end I had to use a different solution as waiting for everyone to fix their kernels wasn't going to work for me | 23:09 |
| RP | paulg: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=c4901328fe5cf912c0965e5b011b64a95a9bcb9d has more info | 23:10 |
| RP | paulg: Still can't decide whether to send that upstream or not (the kernel fix( | 23:10 |
| * paulg returns and reads | 23:11 | |
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| paulg | RP, yah, we'll continue this tomorrow. | 23:18 |
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