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| jku | Do we support setting USE_NLS="no" generally? Even musl enables NLS, It's not documented anywhere and half a dozen recipes seem to fail with it... | 07:03 |
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| RP | jku: we set that for -native don't we? | 07:23 |
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| jku | RP: yeah we do | 07:29 |
| RP | jku: so we do at least partially support it :) | 07:30 |
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| mcfrisk | Hi! Has anyone else seen false positive QA errors from out of tree kernel modules in Jethro: QA Issue: *kernel-module* rdepends on *-yocto-standard, but it isn't a build dependency? [build-deps] | 07:37 |
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| jku | RP : sure , I just got a bug about net-tools failing to build if USE_NLS is set, realized 6 other recipes fail as well, and noticed there's no documentation on who USE_NLS is meant for (like why is it not a dsitro features for example)... | 07:38 |
| mcfrisk | this isn't always reproducible and I can't see patches fixing similar things in poky master | 07:38 |
| jku | RP: ... and am wondering which of these things should have bugs in bugzilla for them? | 07:38 |
| RP | jku: probably because it predates distro_features ;-) | 07:38 |
| jku | aha :) | 07:39 |
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| RP | jku: I suspect nobody has realised it would make sense to do that (which it would) | 07:39 |
| RP | jku: fits in with the "native distro_features" issue | 07:39 |
| jku | RP, oh which reminds me... I think I need help with that | 07:40 |
| RP | jku: I saw your question late last night. Happy to try and help, or rburton may be able to | 07:40 |
| jku | RP: ok, I'll finish some other things and try bothering one of you later today | 07:43 |
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| phako[m] | rburton: "get a patch on the list asap as 2.3 is freezing" re commercial flag on gst-omx. Sorry, I got carried away. Which list is that? | 09:07 |
| jku | phako[m]: if you're sending a patch for gstreamer1.0-omx then openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org | 09:11 |
| phako[m] | ah. thanks. I just found out that libomxil is also marked as commercial, though | 09:20 |
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| rburton | i wonder why, surely omxil is just a wrapper around hardware stuff | 09:25 |
| phako[m] | oh wow, bellagio is stone-old | 09:25 |
| phako[m] | ah | 09:28 |
| phako[m] | I suspect something. bellagio uses ffmpeg to implement the actual codecs | 09:28 |
| phako[m] | those could cause the "commerciality" | 09:28 |
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| phako[m] | does anyone actually use bellagio? that looks stone-old | 09:35 |
| rburton | otavio: do you guys still use the omx stuff? | 09:40 |
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| phako[m] | well otherwise it doesn't kill us to just enable the commercial fiag for gst-omx, I was mainly just wondering. | 09:41 |
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| * gtristan unsubscribes from high traffic list again | 12:10 | |
| gtristan | But thanks to RP and rburton for taking care of jpeg turbo issues ! :) | 12:10 |
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| rburton | gtristan: i think you can set it as post-only | 12:13 |
| gtristan | yeah I remember you said that, and couldnt find it in the subscription page, maybe its in a user preferences or smth | 12:15 |
| * gtristan will indulge and take a look | 12:16 | |
| RP | gtristan: http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core - bottom bit, you need your email/address+password | 12:20 |
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| gtristan | RP, "Mail Delivery" check disabled basically ? | 12:58 |
| * gtristan has it setup this way now, I guess it means I can post but will only receive what I am on CC for | 12:58 | |
| RP | gtristan: right | 12:59 |
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| otavio | rburton: omx? | 13:01 |
| otavio | rburton: or imx? | 13:01 |
| otavio | We are working on a systemd based system and one thing which is confusing us is the volatile handling; it seems to not be happening | 13:02 |
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| berton | I'm working with otavio in a systemd based system and we see that openssh installs /etc/default/volatiles/99_sshd. This file is used to creates /var/run/sshd directory and /var/log/lastlog file, but this is not happen. If I access system using SSH I see message lastlog_openseek: Couldn't stat /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory. I see that systemd uses files in /etc/tmpfiles.d/ to creates volatiles files and dirs, so if I move 99_sshd file to | 13:25 |
| berton | /etc/tmpfiles.d/ systemd creates /var/log/lastlog on boot. So, we need to move all files from /etc/default/volatiles to /etc/tmpfiles.d or is there something that is not creating volatiles dirs? | 13:25 |
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| phako[m] | Does your system support lastlog? | 13:37 |
| phako[m] | otherwise, PrintLastLog=no | 13:37 |
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| phako[m] | Also, yes, I think etc/tmpfiles.d is the systemd way of /etc/default/volatiles | 13:43 |
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| berton | phako[m]: lastlog is just an example, this also happens with wpa_supplicant, there's a /etc/default/volatiles/99_wpa_supplicant file but this file doesn't creates /var/run/wpa_supplicant dir. | 13:49 |
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| phako[m] | /etc/default/volatiles is from the old populate-volatile.sh init script, I think you need to transitiont o /etc/tmpfiles.d for systemd. Though there seems to be a slight inconsistency | 14:10 |
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| sjolley | YPTM: Ready-Access Number: 8007302996 Access Code: 2705751 | 14:55 |
| armpit | YPTM - armin is on | 14:55 |
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| fray | YPTM: I'm on (Mark) | 14:59 |
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| otavio | phako[m]: indeed; we will be adding patches for the services we need | 15:07 |
| kergoth | berton: yes, every temporary path needs to be both in volatiles for sysvinit and tmpfiles for systemd at this time. | 15:07 |
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| phako[m] | otavio: actually, that explains the ugly hack in our system I discovered last week | 15:13 |
| otavio | lol | 15:14 |
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| stephano | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Newcomers | 15:23 |
| * rburton trying to remember what the word gnome uses is | 15:25 | |
| rburton | turns out, it's Newcomers | 15:25 |
| rburton | :) | 15:25 |
| joshuagl | yeah, used to be Gnome Love | 15:26 |
| sjolley | OK, I put it in the minutes as NEWCOMERS. | 15:26 |
| stephano | I blatantly stole that term from Gnome :) | 15:27 |
| stephano | "borrowed" | 15:27 |
| rburton | inspired | 15:27 |
| stephano | exactly | 15:27 |
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| sjolley | YPTM is over. | 15:28 |
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| sveinse | I am a big proponent for having a system for doing the layer setup/fetching. A configuration management system. | 15:30 |
| sveinse | Since there is no such system in yocto, then each project and each implementator is left on their own for this | 15:31 |
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| sveinse | And this is what we see from e.g. the different SoC vendors, having their own system on top of yocto | 15:31 |
| sveinse | My 2 cents... | 15:32 |
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| tlwoerner | sveinse: i'm quite sure that one day the yocto project will have such a tool, there certainly is a lot of interest in such a tool | 15:39 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: https://www.amazon.ca/Project-Reference-Manual-Richard-Purdie/dp/9888381989/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491320467&sr=8-3&keywords=yocto | 15:42 |
| kergoth | the tough part is people have pretty strong opinions about such tools, and not all tools necessarily meet all needs. i think everyone agrees it'd be nice to settle on something, but it's non-trivial. the new layersetup tool for example uses repo under the hood, but requires use of a layer index, which doesnt' work for everyone, and not everyone likes repo | 15:42 |
| tlwoerner | kergoth: nicely put | 15:43 |
| tlwoerner | stephano: more books for the newcomers page? https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=yocto | 15:44 |
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| stephano | tlwoerner: thanks! | 15:48 |
| stephano | hmmm, Yocto Project Reference Manual by Richard Purdie, sound sketchy. | 15:48 |
| tlwoerner | stephano: yea... i was wondering if RP was aware of it | 15:49 |
| stephano | :) | 15:49 |
| tlwoerner | packt wants the corner the market on yocto books :-) | 15:49 |
| tlwoerner | stephano: oh... and there's a printed bitbake manual too by Richard as well, sadly those manuals change weekly, any printed form would be out of date before its delivered | 15:52 |
| stephano | tlwoerner: yeah, strange magic there | 15:53 |
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| tlwoerner | stephano: you alluded to something in the meeting that i think requires more thought... when people use google to find information wrt OE/yocto, because of google's page ranking algorithm, they are more likely to find older versions of the manual than newer ones | 15:56 |
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| tlwoerner | or they'll find old blog posts whose instructions are very out of date, or tutorials that have the users trying to perform dylan builds (for example) | 15:58 |
| sveinse | I can confirm that. My google puts the Yocto manual 1.8 on top, so I always have to manually edit the URL to use a later one or latest | 16:00 |
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| tlwoerner | is there a way to update the manuals that are hosted on the oe/yocto websites such that a floating window with bold, red lettering will follow the user around saying something to the effect of "you are reading an older version of this manual" | 16:00 |
| tlwoerner | "are you sure you want old information? here's a link to the latest manual" | 16:00 |
| sveinse | tlwoerner: Twisted do it like this: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/8.0.0/api/index.html | 16:01 |
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| tlwoerner | sveinse: that's not bad. due to the hugeness of the mega-manual and the likelihood of being dropped somewhere in the middle of it, i'd want something that is not just at the top | 16:03 |
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| RP | stephano: its a print of the YP manual | 16:03 |
| kergoth | tlwoerner: that's a good idea (floating warning) | 16:04 |
| RP | tlwoerner: I think someone would need to show scott rifenbark how to do it | 16:04 |
| sveinse | tlwoerner: I'm no CSS expert, but you can have a float that follows the viewport, right? | 16:04 |
| stephano | RP: ah okay | 16:05 |
| tlwoerner | sveinse: it sounds like you already know more than me about it ;-) | 16:05 |
| stephano | tlwoerner: Agreed. I'd even settle for a dropdown box that lets the user choose the version, and then call out the fact that they are not looking at the latest. | 16:06 |
| tlwoerner | RP: were you aware of this print? or is this some random person/group printing manuals they find on the internet? | 16:06 |
| RP | tlwoerner: the latter | 16:06 |
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| fray | tlwoerner ya, I'd guessed it's someone snagging 'free' PDFs and publishing them | 16:18 |
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| sveinse | Pardon for my extremely crude hack, but this is principally one way of doing the fixed text on top on the mans: https://embed.plnkr.co/56fWbQd1X9DZXbSlOUSM/?show=preview -- it need hugely more finesse of course | 16:29 |
| sveinse | ^ tlwoerner | 16:32 |
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| sgw_ | zeddii_home: Is there a way for a recipe to discover what KERNEL_VERSION is actually being built? I know the KERNEL_VERSION variable exists, but not sure if it's available where I want it (it's an "export" variable) | 16:49 |
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| fray | sgw_ what is the purpose of the recipe? userspace tool (kernel independent or kernel module or? | 17:02 |
| fray | independent userspace tools can check the headers for capabilities | 17:03 |
| fray | modules, there are rules for out of kernel modules which can do similar header checks for versions | 17:03 |
| fray | (just different headers being checked) | 17:03 |
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| fray | (that is the only generic way to do it, since anyone can put in their own kernel with their own rules and even throw away all of the YP kernel tooling) | 17:04 |
| sgw_ | fray: unfortunately, an inter-dependency on kernel version for a patch to cryptodev-module, a 4.9 kernel has a backported 4.10 patch that changes the API that cryptodev-module uses and knows about | 17:04 |
| sgw_ | fray: so I have to force the cryptodev patch based on what kernel and version of kernel | 17:05 |
| fray | module is a kernel module right? | 17:05 |
| fray | so you can depend on the virtual/kernel -- write a small chunk (or use the same chunk from the YP code) to inspect the kernel sources for the version (prior to or in the do patch) | 17:06 |
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| sgw_ | fray, correct, but the problem is the kernel version still reports 4.9 which is the old API for cryptodev, but it has the 4.10 api via backport, yes really screwed things up | 17:07 |
| fray | if you can't discover teh backport by other means then I'd say you are stuck and it's implementation specific at that point and no longer generic | 17:07 |
| sgw_ | fray: maybe a python to inspect the git history (really hate that hack) | 17:08 |
| fray | can you look for ioctls or anything else like that? | 17:08 |
| sgw_ | it's a change to kernel mm function call | 17:08 |
| fray | perhaps something as simple as a PKGCONFIG or other override switch for the developer to just set the API -- otherwise use the version check via headers | 17:08 |
| fray | if it's something that is in a header you can do the 'autoconf like' approach of checking the API available | 17:09 |
| fray | (cpp and all that looking for a compile problem) | 17:09 |
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| sgw_ | git commit check hack would be simpler! | 17:10 |
| fray | but not necessarily portable (if that is your goal) | 17:10 |
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| sgw_ | fray: may not need to be portable, it's will be within a layer and will only check for when virtual/kernel is the kernel I need to check, so known git history | 17:17 |
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| Pharaoh_Atem | kanavin: any luck on the gpg stuff? | 17:29 |
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| pohly | alimon: are you currently working on yocto-compat-layer.py? I've started to use it against different BSP layers and the current output isn't useful enough for me. Instead of doing lots of manual work, I find it easier to enhance the tool. But I don't want to risk conflicts with changes that you might be doing right now. | 18:20 |
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| HavoK_ | hi, I am building Krogoth with b2qt and in my local.conf I enabled ENABLE_QTQUICKCOMPILER = "1" | 18:38 |
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| HavoK_ | I have a commercial qt license but yocto fails with ssh: connect to host codereview.qt-project.org port 22: Connection refused | 18:38 |
| HavoK_ | fatal: Could not read from remote repository. | 18:38 |
| HavoK_ | Please make sure you have the correct access rights | 18:38 |
| HavoK_ | and the repository exists. | 18:38 |
| HavoK_ | how do I setup the credentials? couldn’t find any documentation regarding this | 18:39 |
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| sandsmark | HavoK_: it's in the qt wiki | 19:07 |
| sandsmark | and the compiler is open source now | 19:07 |
| alimon | pohly: i'm not working right know, i acked some patches from Mark Hatle in the ML | 19:08 |
| sandsmark | or so I thought, but it isn't really needed with 5.8 and is going away anyways | 19:08 |
| alimon | pohly: i have other patch for the bitbake-diffsigs stuff but it requires some patches from paul | 19:09 |
| sandsmark | HavoK_: https://wiki.qt.io/Setting_up_Gerrit | 19:09 |
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| sandsmark | make sure you use the right port | 19:10 |
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| pohly | alimon: which patches do you need from Paul? Can you share your wip patch? | 19:14 |
| alimon | pohly: the first patch related to test_signatures, http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=alimon/yp_compatible | 19:18 |
| alimon | and the patches needed are in paul branch http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=paule/sigstuff | 19:18 |
| alimon | he added an option to search the diff signature by recipe | 19:18 |
| alimon | and improved bitbake-diffsigs | 19:18 |
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| pohly | alimon: are Paul's patches going to land in 2.3? | 19:20 |
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| pohly | Alternatively the yocto-compat-layer.py could just search for the sigdata itself. Doing that based on recipe and hash isn't hard. | 19:21 |
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| alimon | pohly: yes paul knows about the requirement and he will push into 2.3 | 19:22 |
| alimon | pohly: but the bitbake-diffsigs has that kind of logic to search the sigdata file | 19:23 |
| alimon | so i prefer to use the tool instead of duplicate the logic | 19:23 |
| pohly | alimon: I agree that it's better to do it there, I was just considering a plan B. | 19:23 |
| alimon | pohly: good | 19:24 |
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| HavoK_ | @sandsmark thanks, I tried that but didn’t seem to work, I will try it again maybe I missed something | 19:25 |
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| sandsmark | make sure SSH isn't blocked | 19:26 |
| sandsmark | on your end | 19:27 |
| fray | I prefer the yocto-compat script just to print out that something was changed with the recipe/task hashA/hashB style.. | 19:28 |
| fray | I'm capable of runnign bitbake-diffsigs myself.. | 19:28 |
| fray | (when it runs it, it is REALLY slow) | 19:28 |
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| HavoK_ | @sandsmark ssh shouldnt be blocked I’m using it with bitbucket. I just set it all up. Is there a way I can test my access? | 19:47 |
| HavoK_ | I can’t seems to find codereview.qt-project.org/qt/tqtc-qmlcompiler | 19:47 |
| HavoK_ | online | 19:47 |
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| kergoth | | Running edk2 build for OvmfPkgX64 | 20:30 |
| kergoth | | Usage: build.exe [options] [all|fds|genc|genmake|clean|cleanall|cleanlib|modules|libraries|run] | 20:30 |
| kergoth | | | 20:30 |
| kergoth | | build.exe: error: Option -n only allows one instance in command line! | 20:30 |
| kergoth | anyone run into this with ovmf? | 20:30 |
| sandsmark | HavoK_: iirc they announced that the compiler would be released as open source with qt 5.8 so the paths and stuff might have changed, but I can't find it | 20:36 |
| sandsmark | but if you're feeling experimental you can test qmlcachegen instead, which serves kind of the same purpose | 20:36 |
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| HavoK_ | hmm… I wonder if I can find the new links in a newer version of yocto | 20:38 |
| HavoK_ | how do i even use qmlcachegen. can’t see any documentation for it. | 20:38 |
| sandsmark | it's coming in qt 5.9 | 20:41 |
| sandsmark | with 5.8 the compilation result of qml files are cached to disk, with qmlcachegen you can generate them beforehand using basically the same code | 20:41 |
| sandsmark | but yeah, I'd contact your FAE or whatever at the qt company for correct links to the compiler | 20:42 |
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| HavoK_ | Thanks! | 20:46 |
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