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| nikincn | which is the best way to learn yocto (other than official documentation ) ? | 07:10 |
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| LetoThe2nd | nikincn: work in a team/project with somebody who already knows things :-) | 07:14 |
| nikincn | that is a good one actually | 07:16 |
| nikincn | I can volunteer , someone please use me , I am a fast learner and will surely make sure u benefited by offering me the chance | 07:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | nikincn: seriously, the yocto documentation is one of the best resources out there if you're not actually in the business already. another option for getting started is attending a yocto project developer day. while it is not perfect, the beginner track certainly can give you some basic understanding in a condensed form | 07:18 |
| nikincn | i also have deep connections and practical experience on hardware side I was in Shenzhen for 7 years | 07:18 |
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| nikincn | ok so documentation is my way forward let me go there if there no other better option | 07:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | nikincn: plus, the YPDD resources are available at https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/presentations | 07:19 |
| nikincn | thanks a lot | 07:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | nikincn: maybe pick the intro labs (by challinan), and behanw's stuff should also be pretty neat. | 07:20 |
| nikincn | yeah the link is quite useful | 07:21 |
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| behanw | nikincn: LF offers courses which are run regularly. https://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-courses/development-training/embedded-linux-development-with-yocto-project | 07:23 |
| nikincn | thanks but a little expensive for me | 07:24 |
| * behanw is actually just updating the embedded linux courses and embedded drivers courses as we speak. | 07:24 | |
| behanw | nikincn: The trick is getting someone to pay for it. ;) | 07:25 |
| nikincn | :) | 07:25 |
| behanw | The slides from the Free-electrons yocto trainings are also available if you google for them. | 07:25 |
| behanw | There are many ways | 07:25 |
| behanw | But dealing with experienced people is the best. | 07:26 |
| behanw | There is a lot of misinformation out there I'm afraid. | 07:26 |
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| behanw | Stay away from Stack Overflow for Yocto/OE/Poky questions. | 07:26 |
| behanw | Rarely correct, sadly | 07:26 |
| nikincn | ok good to know these are practical insights i needed from the community | 07:27 |
| behanw | nikincn: But, not to oversell it, a course will be your fastest leg up. | 07:27 |
| behanw | It's the rocket ship way to get up to speed. | 07:28 |
| behanw | We've had plenty of "experienced people" through our courses, and they often realize they've been doing it wrong (sometimes for years). | 07:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | behanw: hey, don't tell i'm doing things right. i'll take that as a personal insult! | 07:29 |
| * behanw goes back to slinging code and tex | 07:29 | |
| behanw | LetoThe2nd: You're always wrong. I thought we covered this before. | 07:30 |
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| nikincn | i will do a cheaper course first , optimise it for the board i am making , see traction around my product then come for that course to know the mistakes I am making | 07:30 |
| behanw | nikincn: Where are you based? | 07:30 |
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| nikincn | now in India but I have my office in Shenzhen too | 07:31 |
| behanw | nikincn: So, there are licensed resellers of our courses in India (who all do the course for a lot less than we charge) | 07:32 |
| behanw | Same goes for China. | 07:32 |
| nikincn | i c | 07:32 |
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| behanw | So look around a bit. Resellers are supposed to only use instructors we vette | 07:33 |
| nikincn | good if they are available in India though i didnt find anyone | 07:33 |
| behanw | So theoretically good. But you never know for sure I suppose. | 07:33 |
| behanw | I know we have some in India. I just don't know who they are. | 07:33 |
| nikincn | Behan how do we connect outside of irc? | 07:33 |
| behanw | I'm easy to find. behanw@$DOMAIN will reach me. Google me. I'm easily found. | 07:34 |
| behanw | unique name and all that | 07:34 |
| nikincn | ok | 07:34 |
| nikincn | pls check linkedin | 07:37 |
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| hamdy | Hi, I installed the python-gtk package in my yocto jethro image. When I launche my python script it still miss : module gconf. What can I do ? | 07:48 |
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| ipuustin | What would be a way to get a package list for an image without actually building the image? | 08:20 |
| jku | hamdy: probably no-one has packaged python-gconf | 08:21 |
| ipuustin | I'm looking for something like "installed-package-names.txt" which is created under buildhistory. | 08:21 |
| jku | hamdy: maybe worth looking if you can disable or workaround the gconf usage in your script? | 08:22 |
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| hamdy | jku : Yes I will try because there is a gconf recipe but this is not python-gconf | 08:26 |
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| JoiF | nrossi: My (custom) ZYNQ board always dies after (quite) a while. Are you familiar with one such issues on any of the dev-boards? | 08:47 |
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| JoiF | nrossi: The main reason I ask, instead jumping in and start debugging all sorts of stuff, is because this seems to only happen when there's basically no real activity on the CPU and I noticed that there's something called "Xilinx Zynq CpuIdle Driver" built into the linux-xlnx kernel | 08:54 |
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| nrossi | JoiF: what do you mean by "dies"? | 08:56 |
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| JoiF | nrossi: Haha, sounds a bit dramatic when reading it back like this. ;) | 08:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | nrossi: it becomes undead and can only be shutdown by a silver bullet! | 08:57 |
| JoiF | nrossi: The serial console becomes totally unresponsive | 08:58 |
| JoiF | LetoThe2nd: Exactly. ;) | 08:58 |
| nrossi | JoiF: can you access other interfaces like ethernet? | 08:58 |
| JoiF | nrossi: I don't have working, yet | 08:58 |
| JoiF | +ethernet | 08:59 |
| nrossi | LetoThe2nd, JoiF: So we need a Van Helzynq? | 08:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | nrossi: YMMD! | 08:59 |
| JoiF | Seems like it. ;) | 08:59 |
| nrossi | JoiF: has your dt got operating frequencies set? also might be worth setting up a heartbeat gpio | 09:00 |
| JoiF | It doesn't seem to be a usb-to-serial hardware fault, because if I rewrite the OS and reboot through xsdb, without doing any hardware resets, it all works. | 09:00 |
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| JoiF | nrossi: My frequencies may or may not be off. | 09:01 |
| JoiF | nrossi: As you may recall, I needed to change the main PS clk from 50MHz to 33.33MHz | 09:01 |
| JoiF | I didn't change any other frequencies | 09:01 |
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| nrossi | JoiF: it might be a case of idle -> cpufreq changes which affect iopll or similar. You can check if the clocks are linked with the clk_summary from sysfs. Also you could test changing the cpufreq | 09:03 |
| JoiF | nrossi: Good point. | 09:04 |
| nrossi | JoiF: Although i have not seen the behavior you are describing so it could be unrelated and might just be a problem with the serial device | 09:04 |
| JoiF | nrossi: I'll look into that | 09:04 |
| JoiF | nrossi: True. | 09:04 |
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| suvirb | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wRq8Tvyh/ | 09:47 |
| suvirb | Hi, anyone had seen similar issue on imx platform ? kernel 3.14.38 | 09:47 |
| suvirb | micrel phy 9021 | 09:48 |
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| LetoThe2nd | is there a way to clean a package build/recipe in work through devtool? | 10:25 |
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| LetoThe2nd | like, the equivalent to bitbake -c clean | 10:30 |
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| JoiF | I'm a bit confused right now .. what is the opposite of IMAGE_INSTALL? | 11:05 |
| JoiF | I have my own image-recipe, that currently contains just "require recipes-extended/images/core-image-full-cmdline.bb" and then an IMAGE_INSTALL += line, but let's say I wanted to remove something that otherwise comes from core-image-full-cmdline? | 11:06 |
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| JoiF | So.. instead of cherrypicking->in .. I'm cherrypicking->out | 11:08 |
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| rburton | you can use BAD_RECOMMENDATIONS to filter out recommended packages that are by default pulled in | 11:09 |
| rburton | but you can't just say "don't install libfoo even though bar depends on it" | 11:09 |
| rburton | depends means depends | 11:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | JoiF: ah so you're actually not asking about IMAGE_INSTALL itself, but the += that is often used together with it. | 11:09 |
| rburton | there's an argument that packagegroups should recommend instead of depending, i guess | 11:09 |
| JoiF | Yes. But in this case, I'd happily remove all the dependencies. | 11:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | theoretically you should be able to use IMAGE_INSTALL_remove </guess> | 11:10 |
| JoiF | So as an example, what I would like to do right now is get rid of NFS-stuff. | 11:10 |
| JoiF | It even complains that NFS support isn't compiled into my kernel anyway, and I don't intend to start using it. | 11:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | wellso what pulls nfs in? | 11:11 |
| rburton | i suggest you start by not just including core-image-full-cmdline | 11:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: ++ | 11:11 |
| rburton | copy/paste and then start deleting bits | 11:11 |
| JoiF | Ok. So cherrypick->in ;) | 11:12 |
| rburton | full-cmdline intentionally pulls in lots of pieces | 11:12 |
| JoiF | Yeah, and I like having most of them .. just not all of them ;9 | 11:12 |
| JoiF | ;) | 11:12 |
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| rburton | also nfs is a DISTRO_FEATURE, so remove it from there and theoretically the packagegroups should empty themselves | 11:13 |
| rburton | (and if they don't thats a bug) | 11:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | "empty themselves", that sounds kinda threatening. | 11:13 |
| JoiF | haha | 11:13 |
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| JoiF | grep nfs ./meta/recipes-extended/packagegroups/packagegroup-core-full-cmdline.bb | 11:14 |
| JoiF | nfs-utils \ | 11:14 |
| rburton | yeah, was about to paste that | 11:15 |
| JoiF | Well, I guess I have my answer :) | 11:15 |
| rburton | see thats why you don't use full-cmdline if you don't actually want a full cmdline | 11:15 |
| rburton | (bonus points for a patch to wrap that in a distro features check) | 11:15 |
| JoiF | haha | 11:15 |
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| JoiF | Well, that's what I get for trying to be lazy. I'll start defining the packages that I *DO* want now. ;) | 11:19 |
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| rburton | kanavin: dnf has a funky entry in RRS | 11:25 |
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| kanavin | rburton: right, yes :) | 12:31 |
| kanavin | rburton: also, I don't mean to be rude, but http://recipes.yoctoproject.org/rrs/recipes/2.3/All/?upstream_status=Not%20updated&maintainer_name=Ross%20Burton# | 12:31 |
| kanavin | rburton: let's make a deal: you fix it first :) | 12:31 |
| kanavin | alimon: RRS hasn't been updated in many, many days... again | 12:32 |
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| pohly | For example, the "meta-poky" layer defines a "yocto" collection (presumably because of historic reasons) and that collection depends on the "core" collection from the "openembedded-core" layer: LAYERDEPENDS_yocto = "core" | 13:09 |
| pohly | (from meta-poky/conf/layer.conf). | 13:10 |
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| kanavin | rburton: why is 0: gettext-0.19.8.1-r0 do_configure - 92s (pid 22011) so epic? | 13:32 |
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| kanavin | rburton: can we make it get out of the way quickly? | 13:33 |
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| RP | kanavin: that task is the one I studied in some performance tests. Its basically about five configure passes | 13:49 |
| kanavin | RP: ouch... it is a bottleneck though :( | 13:50 |
| RP | kanavin: totally, hence my study. I even asked some questions about it on LKML. Never figured out why its so slow though (other than being a forkbomb) | 13:51 |
| kanavin | RP: I guess the only way to fix it is to rewrite the build system to not be autotools | 13:53 |
| RP | kanavin: I do wonder if there is some underlying sheduling or locking issue wrt the kernel we may be able to mitigate somehow | 13:54 |
| RP | kanavin: we could also put autotools on a diet | 13:54 |
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| paulg | what did the kernel do now? I missed the context. | 13:59 |
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| diego_r | Hi guys. bugzilla.yoctoproject always confuses me. Where do I report a bug about a recipe (lua) in meta-oe? It's not in oe-core. "Other YP layers"? Component? | 14:11 |
| kanavin | paulg: we were discussing why gettext's do_configure is so slow - it's on a critical path, so delays any build | 14:11 |
| kanavin | rburton: I've debreakified meta-oe, there was more than just libpng actually | 14:13 |
| paulg | kanavin, ok, well I'll go out on a limb and guess the kernel isn't responsible, else other workloads would be impacted. | 14:13 |
| gdg | I am creating a new recipe for Bazel: https://bazel.build/versions/master/docs/install-compile-source.html, it requires openjdk-8-jdk, thus I added the meta-java layer and packages | 14:14 |
| gdg | now I have to define some environment variables like JAVA_HOME etc | 14:15 |
| gdg | how can I do that? at the moment my do_compile export an absolute path like: export JAVA_HOME=/home/giuseppe/research/projects/zynq/yocto/build/tmp/work/zc702_zynq7-poky-linux-gnueabi/core-image-minimal/1.0-r0/rootfs/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-8 | 14:15 |
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| gdg | I am wondering how I can retrieve some of those paths in bitbake | 14:16 |
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| joshuagl | RP: rburton: I have some AB changes to test, any preference which cluster I use? | 14:43 |
| RP | joshuagl: none from me but remember maint window is coming | 14:44 |
| joshuagl | I really should put that in my calendar or something | 14:44 |
| joshuagl | what time is maint window? | 14:44 |
| joshuagl | halstead: ? | 14:44 |
| halstead | joshuagl: I can start after a build. Just sometime today. Usualy starts in about 2 hours. | 14:46 |
| joshuagl | halstead: OK, I'll start a test build then if you don't mind | 14:47 |
| joshuagl | ? | 14:47 |
| joshuagl | or we can maybe update a cluster earlier? | 14:47 |
| halstead | joshuagl: Go ahead and start now. | 14:47 |
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| halstead | Probably test on both if possible? | 14:48 |
| joshuagl | halstead: double ack, thanks | 14:48 |
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| Qilibrun | getting a "undefined symbol: Perl_xs_handshake" error, https://pastebin.com/2cPmKft6. Seems ulf solved this a few weeks ago. https://www.yoctoproject.org/irc/%23yocto.2016-04-24.log.html | 14:59 |
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| Qilibrun | but this isn't working for me. | 15:02 |
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| alimon | kanavin: thanks for notice, i'll take care, is a pending topic to develop some notification failures sorry for that... | 15:04 |
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| rburton | paulg: i can dig out the lkml posts, it was quite an interesting exercise in pathalogical scheduling | 15:05 |
| Qilibrun | Nevermind, 2016, so a year ago... probably not the same issue | 15:06 |
| kanavin | alimon: yeah, please try to keep it running, or at least get notified when it breaks | 15:06 |
| rburton | paulg: it appeared to be round-robin scheduling every fork from configure across my cores, so they were constantly at the lowest speed | 15:06 |
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| rburton | paulg: use tasksel to pin it to a cpu and it was a *lot* faster | 15:06 |
| rburton | diego_r: meta-oe doesn't use yocto bugzilla, report bugs on the mailing list | 15:07 |
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| paulg | rburton, autoconf/configure doing something pathalogical? I'm so shocked. | 15:09 |
| rburton | paulg: i was shocked too | 15:09 |
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| rburton | lets see if 4.9 has the same behaviour | 15:10 |
| * paulg assumes you can still order "I hate autoconf" t-shirts. | 15:11 | |
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| diego_r | rburton: thanks. So I need to amend my mistake | 15:17 |
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| RP | paulg: http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com/Performance-of-forky-workloads-td1255622.html | 15:44 |
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| RP | kanavin: ^^^ | 15:45 |
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| joshuagl | halstead: test run is done, thanks | 15:45 |
| halstead | joshuagl, That was quick. | 15:46 |
| joshuagl | halstead: well, the build failed but it's not the fault of my changes (he states confidently) | 15:46 |
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| Qilibrun | Any thoughts on this? | 16:06 |
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| Qilibrun | i just switched to morty branch from krogoth, first time trying to build | 16:16 |
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| kergoth | er.. | ./run_tic.sh: line 140: unknown: command not found | 16:34 |
| * kergoth checks current ;master | 16:34 | |
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| halstead | AB maintenance is complete on both clusters. | 16:44 |
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| kergoth | sigh, ncurses-native didn't end up in the native recipe sysroot for ncurses, despite being in DEPENDS. lovely | 16:54 |
| sveinse | Has bash any restrictions running under fakeroot? | 16:57 |
| sveinse | I'm having problems with spu-image-1.0-r0 do_image: /home/sveinse/yocto/build-sp-image-dev/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/vs2: line 744: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory | 16:57 |
| sveinse | Which is due to constructs like: "while { read -r line; } <&3; do" and "done 3< <(cat "$in")" | 16:58 |
| sveinse | Anything ring a bell? | 16:58 |
| rburton | is vs2 a script? | 16:59 |
| sveinse | Yes, a bash script | 16:59 |
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| sveinse | Are any /dev files masked or tampered with when running under fakeroot/pseudo? | 17:01 |
| sveinse | Google tells me that something is missing. E.g. by running ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/fd would fix it | 17:02 |
| sveinse | Can it be due to the limited environment under fakeroot? | 17:02 |
| rburton | paging seebs for possible pseudo behaviour issues | 17:02 |
| rburton | presumably it works outside of fakeroot | 17:02 |
| sveinse | Yeah, let me test that | 17:03 |
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| sveinse | Yes, purred like a kitten | 17:04 |
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| khem | rburton: gcc 7.1 released few days ago, I have updated recipes | 18:05 |
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| khem | rburton: this should hopefully be last update to gcc7 | 18:05 |
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| * zeddii_home has a 4.1 kernel backport for that as well. I just ran out of time. I’ll have to grab those changes and confirm as well. | 18:11 | |
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| rburton | khem: awesome | 18:24 |
| rburton | khem: pushed already or should i wait for patches? | 18:25 |
| seebs | So, long story short: pseudo doesn't special-case /dev or /proc | 18:26 |
| seebs | Worse, it produces "fake" device files. | 18:26 |
| seebs | So if you actually need /dev to work, it will not be your friend. | 18:26 |
| seebs | (Reason is, non-root users can't make "real" device nodes.) | 18:26 |
| seebs | We could probably special-case a thing for "use /dev for /dev" maybe? | 18:26 |
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| rburton | seebs: could pseudo pass through access to /dev with an overlay for modifications it needs to remember? | 18:44 |
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| sveinse | seebs: not sure I'd say I'd need /dev directly, but using custom fd's in bash should perhaps be possible to do, yes? | 18:50 |
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| seebs | We could conceivably do something super fancy to distinguish between stat and other calls, or something. | 18:51 |
| seebs | Custom fds don't need /dev, i don't think? N>&M, etcetera. | 18:51 |
| seebs | Although the "make this fd look like a file" thing probably relies on /dev/fd/* working. | 18:52 |
| sveinse | How bash manages these fd's and thus requires access to /dev/fd/62 is unknown to me | 18:52 |
| seebs | Huh. I wouldn't have thought it would, except for... there's a bash-specific syntax for "pass a filename which corresponds to this fd". | 18:52 |
| seebs | But that's insane and you shouldn't use it. :P | 18:52 |
| sveinse | Did you see my post above? | 18:53 |
| sveinse | That it is this bash construct which makes it fail: "while { read -r line; } <&3; do" and "done 3< <(cat "$in")" | 18:54 |
| seebs | huh. <&3 shouldn't require/dev/fd3. I don't know what "3<<(...)" means, but I think that's a bashism. | 18:54 |
| sveinse | It is | 18:54 |
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| seebs | What does that even do? Like, how is that different from 3<$in | 18:55 |
| rburton | https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Process-Substitution.html#Process-Substitution | 18:55 |
| rburton | its possible the easy fix is to rewrite the script to not use it :) | 18:56 |
| seebs | okay so, that's equivalent to doing cat "$in" > file [...] ... 3<file | 18:56 |
| seebs | which means it should be equivalent to 3<$in | 18:57 |
| seebs | which shouldn't need the fancy thing | 18:57 |
| sveinse | yeah, I think so too in this case | 18:57 |
| seebs | and <&3 shouldn't require /dev/fd/* | 18:57 |
| sveinse | But it does imply that there are limitations to bash when in yocto/fakeroot | 18:59 |
| seebs | yup | 18:59 |
| seebs | and yeah, confirmed that i can do that as long as i don't attempt the process substitution thing | 19:00 |
| seebs | a general fix for that is surprisingly hard. We have to actually use the in-tree path for most operations, like stat and so on, or mknod, or we can't actually do what we're trying to do. | 19:00 |
| seebs | it's just for actual opens that we suddenly want the path to actually get to a real raw device. | 19:00 |
| seebs | hmm. | 19:00 |
| sveinse | I'm running 'while { read -r line; } <&3; do' and 'done 3<"$in"', and that didn't help | 19:01 |
| sveinse | forget it.. host tool leakage | 19:01 |
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| * kergoth grumbles | 19:03 | |
| sveinse | The unelegant failure with this in bash is that it complains about missing /dev/fd/62 and then proceeds the loop as if the file is empty. | 19:05 |
| sveinse | I spend a few hours on this today trying to figure out why our installer misbehaved :P | 19:06 |
| sveinse | Are you always separating metas from the actual sources, even if the sources and the meta/recipes are internal to your organization? | 19:10 |
| sveinse | I'm kinda curious, because we've tried having separate recipe with a meta layer from the actual application code, but it failed with loss of synchronization on a multiple occation. | 19:12 |
| sveinse | So we've combined them, but writing recipes is surprisingly hard. It's apparent that yocto isn't tailored for this IMHO. | 19:13 |
| kergoth | isn't tailored for what? | 19:17 |
| sveinse | having (large) sources alongside the recipies | 19:18 |
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| riz_ | What is the best way to assign a static ip in my image? I have done a bbappend to interfaces.bb | 19:20 |
| sveinse | it makes up from a quite long list of SRC_URI, doesn't it? | 19:20 |
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| jmesmon | Does the lowercase 'conffiles' in base-files do anything? I can't find a user of that variable. | 21:33 |
| kanavin | RP: nobody answered that? | 21:38 |
| kanavin | (the gettext kernel thing) | 21:39 |
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| RP | kanavin: no | 22:04 |
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| riz_ | I cannot seem to override the interfaces file in openembedded-core/meta/recipes-core/init-ifupdown/init-ifupdown-1.0. Does anyone know of the correct way to do this. I am trying to make a static ip in my image. I can do it by changing the file directly, but I want to keep it separate in my custom recipe as opposed to changing the source. | 22:31 |
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| clsulliv | riz_: I think you could add an init-ifupdown_%.bbappend in your layer, then add a new /init-ifupdown/init-ifupdown-1.0 file | 22:34 |
| riz_ | clsulliv: Yeah, I tried that. I wasn't sure what to put in the append file. I basically copy an dpasted what was in the original file | 22:37 |
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| riz_ | And then I put my interfaces file in /init-ifupdown/init-ifupdown-1.0 as you said | 22:37 |
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| clsulliv | riz_: you might need to add to the FILESEXTRAPATHS variable, but besides that I don't think you should need anything in the bbappend | 22:38 |
| riz_ | ahh. Sounds about right | 22:39 |
| riz_ | Will try. Thanks! | 22:39 |
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