Thursday, 2017-06-15

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denixkhem: the thing is that I cannot reproduce the issue locally, but I noticed missing RPATH and got suspicious. sounds like that might not be the problem... so I'd have to dig deeper. let me know if you have anay suggestions00:02
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khemdenix: actually we still prefer RPATH over nativesdk only cache order is sent to last00:11
khemdenix: is it pyro release ?00:12
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denixkhem: morty00:14
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khemI think a reproducer will help to understand the case00:18
khemit seems to be jumping the search order after I Wonder if it has encoded wrong shlib version00:20
khemwhich might force it to ignore the libssl version which is in sysroot00:21
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khemin anycase running with LD_DEBUG=versions ./yourbinary00:21
khemwill reveal all version deps00:22
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RPseebs: log sent06:44
RPdenix: as khem mentions we do remove RPATHS in the search path and we do use our own interpreter06:44
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Blue_Hi, I'm trying to figure out how I can pinmux under yocto. I need to activate the adcs and some pwm outputs. I managed to do that under debian with 2 different ways but I cant seem to find a good example to do that under yocto. Has anybody done that before or has an example that they would share?07:13
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Costin1morning all07:14
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rick_0good morning Costin1, and good afternoon in my time07:31
Costin1the beauty of being scattered arround the world07:31
rick_0Does anyone use meta-raspberry before ?07:31
ChrysDGood Morning =)07:32
rick_0I'm thinking porting it to S3C6410 since they are based on ARM1176JZF-S based CPU07:33
rick_0and my RPi is doing something already now =), that's why I want to try yocto with my FriendlyARM07:33
ChrysDBlue_ : what do you mean by " pinmuxing in yocto " ? You meaning seeting variables before building to set "correct" dts??07:33
rick_0something with : meta-raspberrypi/conf/machine/include/ must be changed following S3C6410, correct me if I'm wrong ?07:36
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rick_0and does linux.yocto 4.10 kernel support it ? it will make my life abit easier if it does..07:37
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rick_0it's for bcm2708-rpi-0-w.dtb ==> device tree...where can I see those device tree files...?/etc/... ?07:39
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Blue_I need to activate PWM, ADC and SPI with a dts file but I cant seem to find the correct place to add them. Can I only add them in the build process or can I activate them after the build if I add them to the uEnv and place the file in the correct folder?08:22
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rick_0I can see :
rick_0how can I use that for the board ?08:51
bluelightningrick_0: configure the kernel to target that machine - see the BSP manual for how to create a new BSP that does that (as pointed to in the reply to your email on the mailing list, at least I assume it was yours)08:52
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Tamishello. How a recipe selects what header files will put to a dev package. Because I see that include folder has eg 10 header files. But only 4 of them installed to sysroot and SDK and not all. Why is that?08:54
TamisIn the recipe I couldn't find a difference between those header files08:54
rick_0this book : Board Support Packages (BSP) - Developer's Guide ?08:55
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bluelightningrick_0: yes - here's the current link, since google can find much older ones:
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bluelightningTamis: which include folder are you looking at that has the 10 files in it?08:58
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Tamisbluelightning: ok eg /tmp/work/ppce500v2-qoriq-linux-gnuspe/openldap/2.4.44-r0/openldap-2.4.44/include/ has about 40 header files09:00
Tamisbluelightning: but only some of them are installed to SDK and sysroot09:01
Tamisbluelightning: And I cannot understand the distinguish09:01
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bluelightningTamis: what about /tmp/work/ppce500v2-qoriq-linux-gnuspe/openldap/2.4.44-r0/image/usr/include/... ?09:02
bluelightning(I'm assuming that'll be the reduced subset)09:02
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Tamisbluelightning: indeed the files there are less09:03
Tamisonly 909:03
Tamiswhat is the reduced subset?09:03
Tamisbluelightning: and how is this set? in bb file?09:04
rick_0bluelightning : ok, thanks09:05
bluelightningTamis: this would be controlled by however the do_install step is defined... that could be in the recipe or it may simply be what "make install" for the software the recipe is building does09:08
rick_0share experiment, it seems that chromium working ok with xfce, my compile is nearly finished for qemux86-6409:08
bluelightningTamis: looking at the recipe I suspect this is under the control of "make install"09:10
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Tamisbluelightning: hhmm. I suspect that either. I going to have a look at the Makefile09:10
bluelightningTamis: bear in mind that some of the files under /include in the source tree may be internal headers that are not intended to be used by external applications09:10
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Tamisbluelightning: Thanks a lot for the help09:12
bluelightningTamis: no problem09:12
Tamisbluelightning: I will have in mind09:12
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MarcWewhat do i need for qt with libinput and a touchscreen ??09:49
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joshuagled2: around? I'm trying to determine whether the filename extension for wic changed at some point? looking at a krogoth build's output we don't seem to have any .wic files published11:19
ed2no, it was 'wic' from the very beginning as far as i remember.11:20
ed2well, at least for 'wic' image type.11:20
ed2probably in krogoth wic image type was not enabled by default, so no images were generated.11:21
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rburtonyeah krogoth didn't have wic enabled, i'm 99% sure11:23
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joshuaglinteresting, I'll follow up on that after lunch11:38
joshuaglthanks ed2, rburton11:38
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lukmaI'm looking for a way to extend populate_sdk to add some custom binaries to toolchain (to be used for cross compilation for images and as SDK on host machine)11:46
lukma(The binary recipe uses bin_package)11:46
lukmaMy idea was to extend TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK @ ./meta/classes/populate_sdk_base.bbclass - (yes this is a temporary hack to check if it works)11:46
lukmaBut then when executing bitbake -c populate_sdk <image name> I see:11:46
lukmaNo package ldr-utils available.11:46
lukmaError: Unable to find a match11:46
lukmaIs this a recommended way?11:46
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rburtonthe native bits in a SDK need to be built for the sdk11:48
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rburtonso you need to BBCLASSEXTEND=nativesdk in the recipe, and add nativesdk-ldr-utils to the variable11:48
lukmarburton: Thanks, I will check that11:50
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Ramose ../util-linux-2.28.1/schedutils/chrt.c:88:17: error: ‘__NR_sched_setattr’ undeclared (first use in this function), Seeing this issue while bitbake12:24
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joshuaglrburton: ed: ah, so the .wic artefacts are generated by the bitbake when there's wic in IMAGE_TYPES? and manually invoking wic generates .directdisk files?12:31
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Ramose error: ‘__NR_sched_setattr’ undeclared (first use in this function), Seeing this issue while bitbake.12:35
Ramosehas anyone faced similar issue?12:35
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bluelightningRamose: this may be useful perhaps:
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joshuaglRP: rburton: how goes M1 stabilisation? I'm assuming my bitbake patch last night won't make M1?12:49
RPjoshuagl: it was built yesterday afternoon12:50
joshuaglRP: thanks! definitely missed then :-)12:50
RPjoshuagl: yes12:51
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lukmarburton: Unfortunately the same error13:42
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lukmaIt is now present at:13:43
lukmawhich is I think correct13:43
rburtonyes, for host stuff in a sdk13:46
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SaurRP: I have sent my set of patches to the oe-core list now. Would appreciate if you can run it through the autobuilders to see if I have missed anything...13:56
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joshuaglrburton: ed: is it true that the .wic artefacts are generated by bitbake when there's wic in IMAGE_TYPES? and manually invoking wic generates .directdisk files? trying to understand if we have a problem building krogoth on the AB14:08
ed2joshuagl: that's true14:10
joshuaglthanks ed214:10
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khemRP: world builds with hardening rework for all qemus comes out clean for musl and glibc14:22
khemovmf is one erratic package that fails on i586 alone sometimes due to some internal tool bailing out,14:23
RPkhem: I assume you have no objection to removing the uclibc bits from OE-Core?14:23
RPkhem: cool on the hardening14:23
khemNot at all14:23
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khemRP: I would even propose to remove glibc :)14:24
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khemwell that was in lighter vein14:24
RPkhem: :D14:24
khembut I think we should be able to world builds for all qemu machines on musl too14:25
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RPkhem: nice. We could never do that with uclibc :)14:25
khemduring this excercise -c testimage core-image-sato succeeded for all qemu machines14:25
khemon musl14:25
RPvery cool14:26
khemso if there was a builder lying vacant we could increase the coverage for musl14:26
RPkhem: there are many many demands on test coverage :(14:26
khemdue to less header clutter the builds with musl are faster too14:27
RPkhem: its about how long it takes to get changes into master14:27
RPkhem: more tests means longer patch turnaround14:27
khemyes I see that as downside14:28
khemhowever, I think if you consider the full code flight then it will be faster for sure14:28
khemsince just getting into master doesnt mean anything really14:29
khemyou can commit a patch without any testing in 1 second14:29
khemworld is moving more towards devops model and developers are enagaged till the field deployment and they also get to see how customers are benefitting/suffering from their work14:30
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khemso for that we have to do a lot of testing before accepting a patch14:31
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khemideally a full CI/CD pipeline would be my dream14:31
khemthat would also mean no more point releases14:32
khemfuture is rolling releases with CI/CD14:32
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ChrysD_khem : As a student, i'm curious of how can be replace ulibc and glibc ? Are they really necessary? How can we do without ?14:37
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khemChrysD_: we still need a system C library so we have a new impl called musl prounced as 'muscle'14:39
ChrysD_khem : what does it allow?14:39
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khemwhich is implemented from scratch and sticks to posix primarily14:40
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khemso its gotten away from hideous extentions which make programs non portable14:40
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ChrysD_khem : in which way Glibc is hideous?14:42
rburtonglibc has grown over many years, musl is new and learnt lessons14:43
khemit has implemented extentions which were probably needed at the time when they were done but apps started to use them14:43
khemrburton: btw. I just rebased kraj/hardening-fixes dropping sanitizer patch14:44
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khemand adding webkitgtk patch14:44
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khemlook at ftw impl obstack impl they are purely glibc extentions14:45
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ChrysD_rburton : and the fact that it have been made for specific need make him a little more obselete by the fact that for nowdays need it needs to change lot of things so that was easier to start it from scratch like musl?14:45
khemnow I look systemd is doing same think become sink for everything14:45
khemChrysD_: the development has moved quite high on s/w stack that libcs hardly matter14:47
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kheme.g. if you use docker then the default supported images are using musl but folks hardly know that14:47
khemthis also means that one would like to save resources spent on commonditized pieces14:48
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ChrysD_khem : i really need to learn more ahah14:56
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ChrysD_khem : I get into trouble to understand in deep what is going on. Between POSIX, standard C, libc etc14:58
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rburtongood news is that standard C and posix API are publically available if you google for them14:58
rburtonmusl implements just those, glibc throws the kitchen sink in plus years of technical debt/cruft.  glibc is certainly more featureful and the default but musl is catching up *fast*14:59
ChrysD_khem : I have also some difficulty to understand the fact that we need to put a kidn of C POSIX Library... But i guess sytems are evolving with time which make the need of evolving also the C POSIX Library, but i guess it a challenge to make new standard C library that fit for news system and also still being compatible for older POSIX api.14:59
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ChrysD_rburton : Yeah and i have curiously google them but i don't have enough software experience background and also on hardware systems to be able to have my opinion15:01
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SaurChrysD_: It is the other way around: musl is POSIX compliant, glibc implements POSIX plus a lot of glibc extensions...15:01
ChrysD_Saur : But if glibc implements POSIX, it still compliant for POSIx applications. As a noob i would say that glibc extensions should not interact with POSIX applications.15:02
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SaurChrysD_: The problem is that developers are not aware what is POSIX and what are glibc extension, and thus end up using the extensions without realizing.15:03
rburtonbut its extra code paths to be in memory, tested, have bugs, etc15:03
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ChrysD_Saur : So you have the choice between a standard lib C totally compliant for POSIX which make reduction of lot of bugs but can't do let's stuff. Or doing a standard C compliant to POSIX with extensions for some other case and make it rich of features but which include more bugs/errors15:04
ChrysD_can't do some stuffs*15:05
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ChrysD_But if everyone is posix compliant, there is more luck of not having integration problems i guess15:05
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ChrysD_But I guess, with the development of 64 bits machine, there is a need to modify POSIX no? Because the way as the things are made have been thinking because of actual hardware architecture.15:08
rburtonnot really15:08
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ChrysD_rburton : No optimization problems ? I guess posix have been made in a time which steps/tasks have been divided in units which can be handle by the hardware but more technology evolve, more the architecture can change no? When you can do something in 64 bits instead of 32 or 16, it allow you to do things differently?15:11
kergoththe whole point of posix is to have a standard interface regardless of hardware, unix systems have supported numerous architectures for decades15:11
kergothand 64 bit isn't new15:11
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rburtonChrysD_: thats all a compiler proble15:13
ChrysD_rburton ok15:13
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rburtonkhem: if you could rebase yuor series to master-next that would be great, Richard just pushed some stuff that conflicts with your security flags15:22
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khemChrysD_: posix is always evolving OS std, you seem to pin it to a point in time history which is not the case15:24
khemrburton: arghh ok let me see15:24
rburtonsorry :)15:24
khemrburton: done and pushed, its the uclibc drop some of my own sins from past15:28
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denixRP: yes, own interpreter was always the case, but I missed the RPATH removal change. and the issue I was debugging looks like host libraries are being loaded instead of toolchain ones, so I started suspecting RPATH...15:30
khemactually some of GNU extentions has progressed into posix or ISO C standards eventually which is all good, however some has been added and conflicted with gnu extentions e.g. inline semantics15:31
khemmajor PITA15:31
RPdenix: my chief suspect might be the wrong dynamic loader being used. have you checked the interpreter section to see its using the right one?15:31
khemand some printf formats like %m15:31
khemRP: he confirmed yesterday that its using the ldso from nativesdk-glibc15:32
khemso it kind of left me thinking that are there any version issues15:32
khemwith libssl solib that gets encoded into the DT_NEEDED15:32
khemmay be the problem really it on the system where the SDK was built15:33
RPkhem: hmm. That shouldn't happen...15:33
khemsdk host is just replaying the problem15:33
khemmay be15:33
denixRP: yes, PT_INTERP is fine15:34
denixRP: what khem is saying may be true - same sdk works fine on my system, but gives this issue with libssl on customer system15:35
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khemthere is solib version thats also checked before loading15:38
khemso you might have two different versions of libssl and it will know which one to load15:38
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denixkhem: I'll get him to collect more data about the system, unfortunately right now it's all remotely...15:49
SaurBtw, are others seeing (or rather not seeing) missed emails on the openembedded-core list? I do not know if it is a problem with the mail list server, our company mail server, or something in between, but I have started to notice that I do not get all mails. Typically I get responses to mails I have never seen, or as just now, when I send a stack of patches to the list, I do not get all the patches back. I can see them in the mail archive on the web, and othe15:49
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RPSaur: I did have problems for a while, never did figure out what was happening but I did talk to halstead about it15:51
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denixSaur: if your company uses Symantec virus/spam filters suite, you may need to get them to whitelist the mailing lists you are using15:54
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denixSaur, RP: we've had some issues like that recently too. apparently, Symantec beefed up their filters in wake of wannacry, but that started affecting public mailing lists...15:57
bluelightningSaur: presumably you have the "do not send duplicate mails" mailing list option turned off? (it defaults to on IIRC)15:57
Saurdenix: No, we use Trend Micro, but I have actually checked the quarantined mails as well, and that is not where they end up.15:58
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Saurbluelightning: Hmm, no idea...15:59
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bluelightningSaur: ok, go to the listinfo page for the mailing list, hit "unsubscribe or edit options" and there are two switches there of possible interest15:59
bluelightning"Avoid duplicate copies of messages?"15:59
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bluelightningand "Receive your own posts to the list?"16:00
bluelightningif you have the mailing list filtered into a folder in your client like I do you probably want those set to No and Yes respectively16:00
bluelightningwouldn't account for random messages going missing but it might cover part of the issue you describe16:01
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Saurbluelightning: Well, of the 12 patches (including the cover letter) I sent, I got 11. Interesting thing is that both when I sent the first stack and the second one after fixing the comments from rburton, it is the 01/11 patch that is missing...16:02
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bluelightningSaur: hmm, that is strange16:03
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diego_red2: Hi. Is wic supposed to also create the mountpoint directory alonside the fstab entry, or just the fstab entry? In other words, should I create the mountpoint folder by myself?16:09
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ed2diego_r: you should. wic assumes it exists.16:13
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diego_red2: thanks16:15
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denixRP, khem: bah, he has LD_LIBRARY_PATH set!16:53
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denixRP, khem: is that still checked first by our own loader?16:56
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khemyes it is17:00
RPdenix: it will be17:00
RPdenix: that would explain it17:00
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denixRP, khem: looks to me as misconfigured host system...17:02
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RPdenix: sounds like it17:05
RPkergoth: have to love a reference to "gcc/gcc_3.4.0.oe"17:05
RPkergoth: That predates me :)17:05
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kergothRP: haha, wow. i remember working on those. where's it referenced?17:21
khemdenix: the order for our nativesdk is  LD_LIBRARY_PATH then RPATH then linker defaults then
RPkergoth: top of meta/recipes-core/glibc/glibc-package.inc17:22
denixkhem: thanks17:22
khemwe swapped the last two meaning look for linker defaults before
khemso they should be removing or may be SDK setup script should clean up LD_LIBRARY_PATH17:23
* RP can't quite decide how much of the remaining uclibc bits to kill17:24
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khemRP: wipe it clean :)17:24
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denixkhem: funny how the issue was actually on the surface...17:24
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RPkhem, denix: I'd take a patch to make the SDK setup script error if LD_LIB is set17:25
khemdenix: yeah sometimes its hard to extract the right bits of information17:25
denixRP: should it clean it or just complain?17:25
RPdenix: error and make the user fix it17:26
khemI would just clean and complain17:26
khemat same time17:26
RPdenix: we can't guarantee what the right fix would be, their system may need it to work17:26
khemhardly ever the case RP17:26
RPkhem: maybe not but we open ourselves to bugs that way. Most of our philopsohy is to error and suggest a fix17:27
khembut I get it, we should not be cleaning others mess, just point it out17:27
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kergothyeah, when there's a clear solution that wno't break anything else, we should fix and warn, but if the answer is unclear or could have unforeseen consequences, not so much17:28
RP"Your environment is broken, you probably need to "unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH" but please check why this was set in the first place and that its safe to unset. The SDK will not operate correctly with this set."17:28
denixRP, khem: I see there are some custom bits there, along with system paths. should we check for only system paths or just LD_LIBRARY_PATH being set in general?17:28
RPdenix: I'd check for it set at all, they really don't want that17:28
RPdenix: if they really do, they know enough to bypass the check ;-)17:29
RPWe've had these uclibc gcc patches since forever17:29
denixRP: ok, makes sense17:30
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denixhmm, some software packages out there suggest adding their paths to LD_LIBRARY_PATH - e.g. (Software Testing Automation Framework), has a sample startup script, which I guess people end up sourcing globally at boot :(17:34
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* paulg thought staf was a virus....17:36
denixpaulg: heh :)17:37
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RPdenix: hmm. Hardly best practise :/17:38
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RPdenix: detecting what may be a system path is hard too :(17:38
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denixRP: yeah, I'd have to agree17:41
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khemdenix: I think we insert ourselves pretty well on path side of things but it wouldnt hurt to check and let user know that his PATH variable is a bit awkward18:32
khemshlibs issues are more subtle18:32
khemunless some binaries are doing exec on /usr/bin/foo18:32
khemthen you are out of luck without patching the package18:32
khemI must admin that new firefox release is quite nice18:33
khemchrome says 45% energy impact on my mac, and doing same activity ff says 26%18:33
khemyeah chrome is hog to say the least18:34
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denixRP, khem:
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RPdenix: looks good to me at a quick glance!19:18
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CircuitsoftHello - is there a way for one bitbake recipe to call update-rc.d on two initscripts? (krogoth-15.0.0-32-g898a783)20:13
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RPkhem: does musl still use libargp?21:48
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kergoththinking about splitting up meta-sourcery into meta-external-toolchain and meta-sourcery, so the latter only contains the bits truly specific to the sourcery g++ toolchain, and the former has the generic configuration and sysroot extraction22:21
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kergothwould make it easier for someone wanting to use it as an example, since it'd be clear what they should copy and what not22:21
RPkergoth: that could be useful22:22
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* RP is finding deleting things therapeutic 22:24
RPnot sure if goes too far (insane and site uclibc pieces)22:25
RPEqually there is some stuff which is just horrible like those pciutils patches where a patch patches another one :/22:26
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kergothRP: yikes22:38
lukmaI do have a, which has BBCLASSEXTEND = "nativesdk"22:38
lukmaIt can be built with22:38
lukmabitbake foo and bitbake nativesdk-foo22:38
lukmaIs there any way to force it to be built with bitbake nativesdk-foo?22:38
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kergothlukma: rename the recipe to, remove BBCLASSEXTEND, add 'inherit nativesdk'22:40
khemRP: yes22:43
khemRP: also remove kconfig-frontends recipes thats was added for eglibc22:44
RPkhem: there are a couple of things I could probably use your eyes on...22:45
RPkhem: not sure if recipes-support/gnutls/gnutls/correct_rpl_gettimeofday_signature.patch is needed, or recipes-support/rng-tools/rng-tools/0001-If-the-libc-is-lacking-argp-use-libargp.patch os the systemd uclibc pieces (recipes-core/systemd/systemd/0006-configure-Check-for-additional-features-that-uclibc-.patch, recipes-core/systemd/systemd/0009-util-bypass-unimplemented-_SC_PHYS_PAGES-system-conf.patch, recipes-core/systemd/systemd/0008-nspawn-Use-ex22:46
RPor perhaps recipes-bsp/usbutils/usbutils/iconv.patch22:47
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RPkhem: patch to drop kconfig-frontends is queued22:49
khemrpl_gettimeoftheday can go22:51
khemrecipes-support/rng-tools/rng-tools/0001-If-the-libc-is-lacking-argp-use-libargp.patch is  needed by musl22:53
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khemrecipes-core/systemd/systemd/0006-configure-Check-for-additional-features-that-uclibc-.patch can go22:54
khemrecipes-core/systemd/systemd/0009-util-bypass-unimplemented-_SC_PHYS_PAGES-system-conf.patch can ho22:54
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khemrecipes-core/systemd/systemd/0008-nspawn-Use-execvpe-only-when-libc-supports-it.patch can go22:54
RPkhem: thanks, I'll queue those in the test queue :)22:57
RPkhem: I pulled the obvious binutils/gcc ones, if you see any others I've missed...22:57
khemopenssh had some uclibc tweaks IIRC22:58
khemhave you unplugged those22:58
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RPkhem: I think so. There are a number of uclibc refs left but I think the rest are needed by musl23:00
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khemRP: once we decide to switch target arch for qemuarm you will have another wave of arm cruft that you can now remove23:01
khemRP: you did not remove gcc/uclibc patches it seems yet23:02
RPkhem: one second, let me refresh -next23:03
khemah i see there are series of patches23:03
RPkhem: try master-next now23:04
RPkhem: there are three patches, chipping pieces out23:04
RPkhem: kept deciding to dig deeper23:04
RPkhem: not sure we can drop armv5 support quite so easily23:05
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khem0020-Define-GLIBC_DYNAMIC_LINKER-and-UCLIBC_DYNAMIC_LINKE.patch probably can be modified to change just glibc ld.so23:06
khembut its ok as it is prolly23:06
khemlet me rebase on master-next and do a musl build23:07
RPkhem: I haven't tested that last patch so thoroughly yet, testing is welcome though :)23:08
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khemlast patch is ok nothing on oe-core needs kconfig-native23:13
khemI think most of problems will be with musl if any23:16
khemotherwise your changes look ok to me23:16
RPkhem: cool, I'll do some testing locally, then on the AB and take it from there thanks23:18
khemfired my local build on top of your master-next23:19
khemits going to take couple of hrs to finish the world build it seems to be rebuilding everything23:19
khemI will leave you a message or a patch if I find something odd23:21
RPkhem: it changes binutils so most things will rebuild. Sounds good thanks!23:21
khemyeah I was kind of stupidly hoping for sstate to come from heaven :)23:22
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RPkhem: need that quantum computer which computes all possible sstates and then collapses the computation into the right sstate through the act of observation :)23:33
khemI will let google know of our requirements23:33
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khemin short we only need a DWIM ( Do what i mean ) button23:34
RPabsolutely :)23:35
* RP -> Zzzz23:35
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