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| xtron | what is the best way to add configurations in to the machine configuration file from custom-layer? | 08:32 |
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| jwwww | Hello. | 08:32 |
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| perdmann | Hi, i need some help. I use gitlab to store my kernel and uboot forks . But i keep getting "fatal: could not read Password for…No such device or address" | 10:15 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Adding NetworkManager to Raspberrypi Image using Yocto <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59611823/adding-networkmanager-to-raspberrypi-image-using-yocto> | 12:13 |
| milloni | perdmann: here's what i recommend: use ssh-key access to gitlab instead of passwords | 12:54 |
| milloni | it should be set up by default - the only thing you need to do is clone the repository using the ssh:// remote rather than https:// | 12:55 |
| milloni | you'll need to set up your ssh key with gitlab | 12:55 |
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| milloni | and then as long as you run bitbake as the user that has access to that key, it should clone seemlessly | 12:56 |
| milloni | add the following to SRC_URI | 12:57 |
| milloni | git://git@gitlab.mysite.com/myproject.git;protocol=ssh | 12:58 |
| xtron | in packagegroup.bb what is the recommended way to include packages in to image, RDEPENDS or FEATURE_PACKAGES ?? | 13:14 |
| paulbarker | xtron: Are you asking about adding packages to a packagegroup or adding packagegroups to an image? | 13:17 |
| xtron | paulbarker, adding packagegroup to image | 13:18 |
| milloni | definitely not RDEPENDS | 13:18 |
| milloni | did you leave out IMAGE_INSTALL on purpose? | 13:19 |
| paulbarker | Add the packagegroup name to `IMAGE_INSTALL` in the image recipe | 13:19 |
| milloni | it's the first time i hear of FEATURE_PACKAGES - what is that? | 13:20 |
| milloni | oh i get it | 13:20 |
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| paulbarker | milloni: I think that's used if you're defining a new `IMAGE_FEATURE`: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.5/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-FEATURE_PACKAGES | 13:21 |
| xtron | milloni, I think in Apackagegroup.bb we do RDEPENDS = "something" and then FEATURE_PACKAGES_append = "Apackagegroup" to include the packagegroup to image right? | 13:22 |
| paulbarker | xtron: Add the packagegroup name to `IMAGE_INSTALL` in the image recipe to include it in an image | 13:24 |
| milloni | yeah, FEATURE_PACKAGES is somethin else entirely - see link that paulbarker posted | 13:25 |
| milloni | you want to do IMAGE_INSTALL += "Apackagegroup" | 13:25 |
| milloni | in your image.bb | 13:25 |
| xtron | paulbarker, milloni with an IMAGE_FEATURE we use the above method to include the packagegroup into image | 13:26 |
| xtron | e.g FEATURE_PACKAGES_feature_append = " packagegroup-qt" | 13:26 |
| milloni | that looks correct | 13:27 |
| milloni | where would that line go? image.bb? | 13:28 |
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| xtron | milloni, in custom-layer's layer.conf or distro/include/custom.conf | 13:31 |
| milloni | right, that makes more sense | 13:33 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Couldn't create image from OpenPLI repository in Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59613232/couldnt-create-image-from-openpli-repository-in-ubuntu-18-04-1-lts> | 14:13 |
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| havok101 | hi | 16:34 |
| havok101 | if is wanted to print a log in a bbclass function should I just use python print or is there another logging system | 16:34 |
| roussinm | Is it possible to use devtool with tarballs? | 16:41 |
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| kergoth | havok101: bb.note/bb.error/bb.warn/bb.debug (the latter requires a debuglevel first argument). downside is they don't automatically join multiple args like print, just accept one | 16:55 |
| kergoth | they're just wrappers around use of the logging module with the BitBake logging domain | 16:55 |
| kergoth | mostly, anyway | 16:55 |
| havok101 | thanks | 17:04 |
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| kergoth | np | 17:17 |
| roussinm | lttng-modules has a devupstream bbclassextend to it, and I have setup a PREFERRED_VERSION_lttng-modules = "2.10.11+git%". Even with that devtool doesn't seem to understand to fetch from the devupstream target. Is this the current expected behavior? | 17:24 |
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| havok101 | kergoth: it worked! The boot2qt replacing b2qt package where it would restart the app. Did what you said and added and intermediate package that basically cleaned all of b2qt services and files. boot2qt launcher then rdepended on it which installed the boot2qt-launcher packages correctly without killing the app. Only thing i see is the b2qt-launcher and the intermediate package are still installed which is fine imo. Thanks! | 22:32 |
| kergoth | awesome. no problem, glad it worked out | 22:32 |
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| rangergord | havok101, what's boot2qt like? | 22:42 |
| rangergord | I | 22:42 |
| rangergord | I'm gonna be working on a Qt5 app for the 1st time, but was just gonna run it as a systemd service at startup | 22:43 |
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| havok101 | it's nice, it sets up a lot of stuff for you qt5 app. the b2qt-launcher package has been a pain. It usually doesn't upgrade unless the qt major version changes so it's not all bad | 22:44 |
| havok101 | since the launcher package starts a service that launches your app if it updates in the middle and decides to restart your app can die in the middle of the update | 22:45 |
| havok101 | to some extent it's the design we have too. | 22:45 |
| rangergord | what's running under the hood though? Like my apps need to delete old files periodically (which I was gonna do with bash scripts running on systemd timers), do service management (again sytemd), enable the capture of coredumps on, and so on. Can you do all of these with boot2qt? | 22:46 |
| havok101 | we have b2qt launching an app that launches our main app. The first app is like a watch dog, it restart the main app if it thinks something is wrong. We also have a hardware watchdog that watches the software watchdog.... sooooo | 22:47 |
| havok101 | it has something called appcontroller which will set a lot of vars to enable/disable a bunch of things. We actually haven't enable core dumps via b2qt we have a script that did that | 22:49 |
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| havok101 | you will still do a bunch of stuff via systemd | 22:49 |
| rangergord | hmm, OK, so what is boot2qt giving you exactly, over a regular Linux where you just launch the Qt app at startup? | 22:50 |
| havok101 | honestly we are just seeing the benefit of environment setup for you app | 22:52 |
| havok101 | https://github.com/qtproject/qt-apps-boot2qt-appcontroller | 22:52 |
| havok101 | https://github.com/qtproject/qt-apps-boot2qt-launcher | 22:52 |
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| havok101 | these would be the two apps that would be installed | 22:52 |
| rangergord | hmm, last commit 5 years ago | 22:52 |
| rangergord | but thanks I'll look at that | 22:52 |
| roussinm | rangergord: the default branch is old. | 22:53 |
| havok101 | https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt-apps/boot2qt-appcontroller.git | 22:53 |
| havok101 | https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt-apps/boot2qt-launcher.git/ | 22:53 |
| havok101 | yes these ones | 22:53 |
| rangergord | ah yes, I got it | 22:53 |
| rangergord | even the github one, if you change branches | 22:53 |
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| havok101 | we had contracted qt to setup some of this initially and this is the route they went with so we just went along | 22:54 |
| rangergord | if you don't mind me asking how much did that cost? | 22:54 |
| rangergord | can't even see the cost of a Qt embedded license without contacting them for a quote | 22:55 |
| havok101 | ok so embedded license I believe we pay a little over 2k per year but that depends, we are a really tiny company | 22:56 |
| havok101 | the setup part was part of their consulting arm | 22:56 |
| havok101 | which cost a lot | 22:56 |
| roussinm | havok101: 2k per year is that for # of total developers? | 22:56 |
| havok101 | but they setup us up with our first yocto setup and did all the initial work with the app and anything hardware integration related | 22:57 |
| havok101 | that is the embedded license not specific to a dev. QtCommercial is a different cost. Not sure how much we pay with that | 22:57 |
| havok101 | I believe depending on the size of the company there is per unit sold cost. I don't have those details | 22:58 |
| havok101 | qt is expensive :( | 22:58 |
| roussinm | It quite good tho. | 22:59 |
| rangergord | havok101, you gotta keep paying that 2k every year, or only if you need more support? | 22:59 |
| havok101 | it used to be always but I think when they made b2qt open source it was only if you needed support. | 22:59 |
| rangergord | I'm the only dev, but unfortunately we don't qualify as a startup | 22:59 |
| havok101 | I think they are making most of their dough with the automotive modules | 22:59 |
| havok101 | you can still ask them | 23:00 |
| havok101 | those costs really depend company to company | 23:00 |
| havok101 | i know windriver charges a bomb for when they setup qt for some companies which includes license costs | 23:00 |
| rangergord | I sort of assumed any of those "contact us for a quote" things were basically "if you need to ask, you can't afford it". Cause they DO list the 5500$ for a regular desktop+mobile license, but if you try to check embedded they tell you to contact them | 23:01 |
| fray | no idea as to cost, but in the past QT work was custom for each customer.. so it was a time and materials cost for setup.. | 23:01 |
| havok101 | no they make arrangements based on your company. I know we've been in a locked in rate for a while and they had mentioned our cost might go up next time. | 23:02 |
| rangergord | I love Qt, was the only thing that made coding in C++ tolerable. And on the GUI side nothing seems comparable that runs on Linux except Flutter, which uses D-Tier language you'd have to learn just for Flutter. | 23:03 |
| fray | QT (company supporting it) hasn't been overly helpful w/ YP work at times in the past.. I've got no comment good/bad on the tech, just that they wanted to do their own thing and not work with us.. which was annoying) | 23:03 |
| fray | (I've not used QT in a few years, so it may be much better then it used to be..) | 23:04 |
| rangergord | only ever used LGPL Qt, wouldn't know | 23:05 |
| fray | the stuff I had looked into, but not pursued was the commercial stuff with the QT IDE enironment stuff.... looked neat, but it really didn't want to work with the YP SDK at the time.. (again few years back, it may be MUCH better now) | 23:06 |
| rangergord | fray, what did you move on to, if you don't mind me asking? | 23:06 |
| fray | "standard X11" at the time.. | 23:06 |
| rangergord | yikes | 23:06 |
| fray | I don't remember which libraries we ended up using.. but it was all just standard X.. | 23:06 |
| fray | we used some sort of minimal window manager.. but it was a lot easier to write standard applications that were portable.. | 23:06 |
| fray | (this was stuff that was just displaying screens with custom artwork around them) | 23:07 |
| fray | it was NOT a touch screen envionment.. but needed pretty behavior and scrolling up/down.. etc.. | 23:07 |
| fray | (ohh and no mouse.. think more arrow key control) | 23:07 |
| rangergord | I've been frozen in time, using Qt4 on a 10yo board, until now. I hope the Qt5 experience on Yocto will be better, I'm excited. | 23:07 |
| fray | Qt 4 is what I had been looking at | 23:08 |
| fray | like I said, few years back.. | 23:08 |
| fray | we started exploring with the LGPL, and then went to look at commercial and decided against it | 23:08 |
| rangergord | I just used the Qt 4.7 that came with the board's SDK and everything worked fine...later on (before Yocto was popular) I used buildroot to build a newer Busybox with Qt 4.8 and it just did everything Qt-related for me, I just selected the packages to use. This was without the board manufacturer's support. | 23:09 |
| rangergord | I'm hoping Yocto will make using the latest Qt5 as straight-forward as buildroot did | 23:10 |
| fray | I had specific graphics drivers (binaries) that I had to use.. it was either X11 or QT (direct frame buffer).. so we were 'limited' in our choice... | 23:10 |
| rangergord | I see | 23:10 |
| rangergord | at the time did you try asking on Stackoverflow? | 23:11 |
| fray | I doubt it.. embedded, nobody wants to talk to anybody problem... | 23:11 |
| fray | things are better now | 23:11 |
| rangergord | haha | 23:11 |
| fray | I was involved on the integration side... | 23:12 |
| fray | other people wrote the graphics apps and made the final decision(s) | 23:12 |
| rangergord | how many devs in total? | 23:12 |
| roussinm | rangergord: super easy to use the latest Qt on yocto. | 23:12 |
| roussinm | rangergord: We are currently using 5.13, very soon going toward 5.14. | 23:13 |
| fray | then they must have made integration better.. | 23:13 |
| fray | like I said, used to be stupidly difficult | 23:13 |
| rangergord | any idea why Microsoft doesn't provide a Yocto recipe or whatever? Their instructions haven't been updated for the new release v3 release https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/samples/YoctoInstructions.md | 23:14 |
| rangergord | I'm talking about .NET Core | 23:15 |
| rangergord | I'm actually gonna be using that. I just got my board today, so nothing running yet, not even a Yocto image. | 23:15 |
| fray | Microsoft (through Azure) has done some YP integration, but I've not looked into any of it specificaly | 23:15 |
| fray | Microsoft though has been helping with some YP work.. so it might be a reasonable question for them | 23:15 |
| fray | (may already be on a road map or something) | 23:16 |
| rangergord | I'll ask on their github later on, was waiting to try for myself first | 23:16 |
| rangergord | allright, good night | 23:17 |
| fray | good night | 23:17 |
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