Tuesday, 2020-11-17

paulgv5.10 is so yesterday.00:24
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ThomasD13good morning!07:19
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mckoangood morning07:36
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wyredo you recommend me to use systemd in embedded systems?08:39
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kamel_bHi all, Im stuck with a python exception raised while parsing a recipe created using devtool+recipetool08:45
kamel_bit seems like recipes variables are not getting expanded08:46
kamel_bIm getting a "RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while calling a Python object"08:46
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LetoThe2ndkamel_b: "show us teh codez"s :)08:49
LetoThe2ndwyre: it depends.08:49
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: yep here it is: https://pastebin.com/8m1igAxP08:49
kamel_bactually a very basic recipe08:50
wyreLetoThe2nd, what it does depend on?08:50
LetoThe2ndkamel_b: /me has no idea about the npm fetchers, sorry. might also depend on the version in use.08:51
LetoThe2ndyann: maybe you ? ^^^^08:51
LetoThe2ndwyre: hum, on your usecase and your requirements?08:51
LetoThe2ndwyre: hum, on your usecase and your requirements?08:52
yannno I don't either, sry08:52
LetoThe2ndyann: k08:52
LetoThe2ndwyre: essentially, the question is like "does it make sense to use a car for transportation from a to b?". it depends. where is a? where is b? what do you want to transport? other constraints? same applies here.08:52
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: yann: here is the log issue Im getting: https://pastebin.com/GBbUqEgc08:55
kamel_bI couldn't figure out what does this recursion issue means08:56
LetoThe2ndkamel_b: does it work for another machine?09:00
LetoThe2ndkamel_b: the log suggests some strange behaviour concerning the cortexa9 tune. so the first thing i personally would try building the recipe for a trivial machine, like qemux86 or qemuarm09:00
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: no I didn't, e it is con09:02
kamel_bit is confusing as the defaulttune is set by the machine to armv709:03
LetoThe2ndkamel_b: then you have some pointers where to start digging. but cortex-a9 is a subtyoe of armv7a, so thats probably correct.09:04
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: https://pastebin.com/zFeA1zrA09:22
kamel_bsame result for qemuarm09:22
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LetoThe2ndkamel_b: then look at other recipes that use the same fetcher, read its documentation... maybe the autogenerated SRC_URI is wrong? i don't know.09:24
kamel_bLetoThe2nd: the most weird thing here is that I have above 9/10 recipes generated with the same process devtool+recipetool and only 3 or 4 are behaving like this...09:25
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: yes maybe i'll check that09:26
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wyrecould I use a higher python version?09:32
wyreor could I establish the python version in the build process?09:33
LetoThe2ndwyre: bumping python is usually quite problematic. if you need something thats not just a bump in the dot-dot range, then its usually easier to upgrade as a whole.09:34
wyrewhat do you mean with "dot-dot range"?09:36
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LetoThe2ndversions are usually like x.y.u09:37
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LetoThe2nderm, x.y.z - so changing something in "z" is dot-dot09:37
LetoThe2ndy is dot09:37
wyreoh, I see09:37
wyrewell, I would like to upgrade to python 3.609:38
LetoThe2ndyou are lacking a lot of context, just liek for the systemd question earlier too.09:38
wyrebecause the current version is 3.5.209:38
wyreand f-strings are just supported since 3.6.x version09:38
wyrethen I'd say I'm in the dot-dot range, right?09:39
LetoThe2ndread and think again.09:39
wyreLetoThe2nd, I think I don't get your point when you say "if I need something that's not just a bump in the dot-dot range"09:41
wyreand when you say "to upgrade as a whole" you mean upgrading the whole yocto version?09:42
LetoThe2ndi wrote: versions are x.y.z. upgrading z is dot-dot, upgrading y is dot, upgrading x is... upgrading. so if you want to go from 3.5.something to 3.6.something, then it is?....09:43
wyreLetoThe2nd, ok, it's a dot upgrade09:44
wyrewhich is usually problematic, you mean?09:45
LetoThe2ndwyre: even more so as yocto/Oe went straight from 3.5 to 3.7, and that even... let me calculate.... 21 months ago?09:45
LetoThe2ndwyre: which indicates that you are on something totally outdated and out of support anyways.09:46
wyreso current version of yocto has python 3.7?09:46
LetoThe2ndplease do at least a little homework yourself before abusing as as git/google frontend: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/09:47
LetoThe2nd*abusing us09:47
LetoThe2ndexample: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=python309:48
PaowZwyre: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-python/09:48
wyresorry LetoThe2nd I'm new in yocto and I'm trying to understand the whole environment09:51
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LetoThe2ndwyre: granted. but things that can easily be checked online with a few keystrokes - please do it yourself.09:54
LetoThe2ndwyre: so in a nutshell: whoever gave you the current setup, its time to complain to that person anyways because it is definitely outdated and doesn't receive bugfixes / security related patches.09:55
LetoThe2ndwyre: and while you're at it,demand a proper introduction/training.09:55
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wyrewhat do you recommend me for a proper introduction/training?09:57
LetoThe2ndwyre: the low-balling version is to watch and work along https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4M5FoHz-TxMfBFrDKfIS_GLY25Qsfyj09:58
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qschulzwyre: there is some youtube tutorials on the Yocto Project channel you could have a look at09:58
wyrethis setup is part of the BSP from the manufaturer09:58
LetoThe2ndwyre: to get strarted properly, book a training by one of the usual yocto-savvy trainers - depends a bit on your whereabouts and preferences, though.09:59
qschulzwyre: Bootlin has some very wide but "shallow" introduction training to Yocto Project (CC-BY-SA IIRC, you can find it on their website)09:59
LetoThe2ndwyre: then its tme to complain to the manufacturer.09:59
qschulzand there are some people on this chan that are offering trainings as well09:59
PaowZlike a certain jester..09:59
LetoThe2ndfinding a trainer should not be a problem once you've outlined your language/timing preference. or maybe even the hw manufacturer offers some.10:00
wyreand what about reading resources? the main reference manual is enough?10:01
LetoThe2ndwyre: its a reference, not a training/tutorial. i discourage it.10:02
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LetoThe2ndwyre: in the german region, maybe get in touch with robert berger. italian, its mckoan. french, bootlin is a good choice. english, probably robert berger, chris simmons, or the linux foundation themselves. (apologies to all i didn't mention now, those were the most prominent ones on my mind)10:03
wyreLetoThe2nd, what about the Yocto Project Quick Start?10:04
LetoThe2ndwyre: to return to the earlier analogy: now you're standing at the front door of the driving school and ask "isn't it enough to read the cars manual? um... or maybe the short version of road legislation?"10:05
LetoThe2ndwyre: if you want to properly drive, then knowing both of those suffficiently well is needed. but neither will make up for proper, hands-on training/experience.10:06
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qschulzLetoThe2nd: Bootlin mainly gives their training in English BTW :)10:06
LetoThe2ndwyre: you can either make up with a lot of time, trial and error (student way) - or just cough up the coins and get started properly (way of those who do this for a living)10:07
LetoThe2ndqschulz: about everybody also does english, i know.10:07
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* LetoThe2nd is out for some time. earning coins, y'know.10:08
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dleppichOfftopic: Some of LetoThe2nd's messages are italic in my irc client (Thunderbird). What irc feature is this?10:11
qschulzdleppich: IIRC, you can surround words with * or ** or _?10:13
qschulz*one star*, **to star**, _underscore_ ?10:14
qschulzwell nope :p10:14
dleppichhmm, no italic ^^10:14
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mckoanLetoThe2nd: wyre we usually provide YP training in Italian and sometimes in English10:19
mckoanwyre: you are using MicroGea aren't you?10:23
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wyremckoan, yes I am10:48
wyreimx6ull, in fact10:49
wyreI was wondering if could I build the current version (3.2, I think) for this hw10:51
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mckoanwyre: IIRC the manufacturer provides a quite old version of the BSP/YP11:03
wyremckoan, that's because I was thinking to build a most recent version11:04
wyrebut I think I have to take into account the main script provided by the manufacturer (engicam-setup-environment)11:04
mckoanwyre: no, it's not so straightforward11:05
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shan1is there anyone who maintains the meta-arago layer here?12:21
* LetoThe2nd summons denix 12:25
shan1I did send an email regarding a change in `SRC_URI` in a `tensorflow-lite` but it bounced back to me12:26
zandreywyre: this whole setup from Engicam is so outdated, that it would be really difficult to build 3.2 for it. they do not have any upstream support provided for their layer, only uprevving `pyro` :O12:40
wyrezandrey, what do you mean with "uprevving `pyro`"?12:42
zandreywyre: they did some patches on the `pyro` branch in their (what appears to be) public meta layer12:42
zandreylatest one dated 16. Oct12:43
zandreyi personally would not commit on updating this layer, since the step from `pyro` to `dunfell` is not a single step, but rather a leap.12:45
zandreyactually, looking at the github of engicam - there is an impression that they are working on towards bringing something, which resembles later yocto versions.12:49
zandreyunfortunately, all their latest forks are targeting NXP vendor BSP... latest being 5.4.47-
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zandreywyre: i guess you might talk to them as your vendors to figure out plans regarding their upcomming updates (if they plan some). but beware: you most probably would receive a modified version of NXP BSP, which is not encouraged to be used in production and serves as rather Demo.12:52
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emriusHey folks, I was wondering what repo management tool you use? the repo-tool by google? What alternatives are there?13:09
qschulzemrius: many people use kas from what I heard13:11
qschulzwe use git with our home made scripts to fetch layers to given revisions13:11
emriusqschulz: Thanks! kas looks interesting. Yeah, I also had a bash script for that as well. So, I'm guessing I wasn't completely off there :)13:14
zeddiiRP: Just reading now, no problem. I'll rebase this morning and send a fixup as required.13:18
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zeddiiRP: is this in master-next ? I just pulled poky master and don't see any updates.13:19
zeddiinever mind. one of my boxes got no updates, the other did.13:20
zeddiiI'll figure out what's up with that later.13:20
RPzeddii: thanks. I just missed the v2, sorry13:21
zeddiimeh. if stones were thrown for that, I'd be dead long ago.13:21
mcfriskemrius: git submodules works too.13:24
emriusmcfrisk: Thanks, that's a good idea. and it's lightweight13:29
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LetoThe2ndemrius: kas++ from my side13:49
LetoThe2nd(also did a session on it)13:50
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zeddiiRP: fixup sent.14:07
zeddiiand I see why I thought my box wasn't updating, my commit of the same shortlog was happily rebasing, since it is in a completely different part of the class .. and I just thought the original hadn't made master yet :D14:08
RPzeddii: thanks14:08
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emriusLetThe2nd: Great! Going to check that out right away.14:21
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dleppichLetoThe2nd: You said you made a session on kas. Is there a youtube video for that session? I coulnd't find it based on the video names.14:35
LetoThe2nddleppich: #12 in the playlist14:36
dleppichtoo bad the "kas" was hidden behind dots :D14:36
emrius... finally looks like kas can help me get rid of my cancerous yocto project folder yam I have ended up with...14:37
LetoThe2ndit almost certainly can, yes.14:40
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zyga-x240Hey, my name is Zygmunt; I'm working on the open harmony project. Hello everyone :)15:02
shan1after Randy's ELCE talk on Rust, I started learning Rust. I don't want to let the meta layer "rust", if you know what I mean!15:09
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shan1sorry had to make the pun because it fits well with the meta layer terminology15:11
LetoThe2ndmy main thing with rust is that cargo is totally badly named. it should have been "oxide" or "oxidate"15:11
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shan1better yet, corrosion!15:12
LetoThe2ndthat sounds pretty destrucive.15:13
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shan1I am so going to enjoy the live coding session if you do a rust example Josef !15:14
* LetoThe2nd won't do one in the foreseeable future15:14
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shan1Maybe we should ask Randy to do a guest live coding session15:15
LetoThe2ndpaulbarker already did videos on that, just not live15:16
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paulbarkershan1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5UPFo4JiTs15:18
paulbarkerComplete with a bunch of figuring things out as I go15:18
paulbarkerI'll be following up, got another video ready to go I just need to write the description and publish it15:18
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LetoThe2ndi need to prepare sample code for next week :(15:19
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teppersonhow can i append to a variable previously set with ?= (BLAB ?= "thing")15:28
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dleppichShould be BLAB_append = "foo" or BLAB += "foo", when I'm not totally wrong15:30
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LetoThe2ndtepperson: a ?= needs _append, AFAIK. the += would replace it if i'm not mistaken.15:31
LetoThe2ndok. if its possible to make the whole dumpsterfire of 2020 more dumpsterfirey, then this is it: https://youtu.be/zu3k2PJumfI </SCNR>15:32
dleppichI think I read something that the += works differently in local.conf / recipes. Not quite sure15:32
LetoThe2nddleppich: find some inspiration in session #15 :)15:32
teppersonall of these are set in recipes15:33
LetoThe2nddleppich: the point of recipe vs. .conf is visibility.15:33
LetoThe2ndthe point of += vs. _append is evaluation stage.15:33
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dleppichLetoThe2nd: Thanks for the clarification. Hmm.. Much to learn I still have15:33
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LetoThe2nddleppich: easiest is to just tinker a bit around with such to get the feel. just like i did in that session.15:34
qschulzLetoThe2nd: you're incorrect about += :)15:34
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LetoThe2ndqschulz: happens. please correct hard and fast!15:35
qschulzFOO ?= "a" followed by FOO += "b" results in FOO = "a b"15:35
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faba_Does it needs a _space_ ?  BLAB_append = "_space_thing"15:35
qschulzFOO += "b" followed by FOO ?= "a" will result in FOO = "b"15:35
moto-timoIt's also very difficult to override _append (in a bbappends or other downstream consumer)15:35
LetoThe2ndfaba_: _append needs a space, = doesn't15:35
teppersonI'm seeing behavior where =+ and += override the variable instead of appending15:35
moto-timo_append is appending to a space delimited list, so you must provide the space15:35
qschulztepperson: depends on the ordering of the parsing15:36
qschulzotherwise we would almost have only _append in code15:36
LetoThe2ndi hereby propose this to be the soundtrack for the next time we meet in person. somebody shall pick us up at the airport and blast it all along: https://youtu.be/-A7BPXEBh1Q15:36
qschulztepperson: could you share your code and what you're expecting?15:37
teppersonqschulz: i can throw something together in a bit15:41
qschulztepperson: also.. are you using overrides?15:41
qschulzFOO_machine += "something" won't probably do what you think it is15:41
teppersonqschulz: what does that do then?15:42
teppersonfor a raspberry pi, KERNEL_DEVICETREE ?= " \15:43
teppersonI want to do KERNEL_DEVICETREE_raspberrypi4-64 += "overlays/blabla.dtbo" in a recipe15:44
qschulztepperson: 1. why in a recipe?15:45
qschulz2. you want KERNEL_DEVICETREE_append_raspberrypi4-6415:45
qschulzFOO_machine will replace FOO when building for machine15:45
qschulz+= does not matter in that case15:45
qschulzbecause it applies after FOO_machine is resolved not after FOO15:46
LetoThe2ndhow i love it. i can just talk rubbish, confuse people,a nd get away with it while qschulz does the hard part of cleaning up my mess and actually explains stuff!15:46
* LetoThe2nd hi5es qschulz 15:46
* qschulz low5ses LetoThe2nd15:46
* LetoThe2nd fistbumps qschulz 15:46
* qschulz dodges LetoThe2nd fist fight attempt15:47
* moto-timo makes popcorn15:47
* LetoThe2nd stops fighting and proceeds to post-fight drinking instantly.15:47
teppersonqschulz: i want a particular overlay only active for a particular image recipe15:47
LetoThe2ndtepperson: join qschulz for the chant, then.15:48
LetoThe2nd(he's really good at it!)15:48
qschulztepperson: repeat after me (cue the music LetoThe2nd )15:48
* LetoThe2nd drumroll.s15:48
qschulztepperson: recipe data is local (to the recipe), conf data is global15:48
LetoThe2ndor do you want me to actually find you some music?15:48
qschulzLetoThe2nd: too late, you ruined it15:49
LetoThe2ndi always do that.15:49
qschulztepperson: since KERNEL_DEVICETREE is used in the kernel recipe, you can't modify it from anywhere else than a configuration file or the kernel recipe itself15:50
qschulztepperson: so two choices, either create a new machine for it, or a new distro15:51
qschulzthe rationale behind this is that adding an overlay is meaning that you actually have different HW15:51
qschulzs/is meaning/means15:52
qschulzdifferrent HW requires different machine15:52
teppersonqschulz: would recommended method mean creating a new (layer)/conf/machine/blablab.conf ?15:52
LetoThe2ndqschulz: please say "it depends (TM)"15:53
qschulztepperson: new machine conf file requires a new (layer)/conf/machine/blablab.conf, a new distro conf file requires a new (layer)/conf/distro/blablab.conf15:54
qschulztepperson: but it might be overkill, what is your overlay representing? are you sure you can't just add it all the time and not care about it?15:54
qschulzLetoThe2nd: not sure about the "it depends" part?15:55
teppersonqschulz: it represents some i2c and spi devices15:55
LetoThe2ndqschulz: i'm pretty sure that the recommended way of solving his problem depends on the specific circumstances/requirements.15:55
moto-timowith kas you can have a local "meta-custom" and carry quite a bit of stuff in a light weight layer15:57
moto-timobut LetoThe2nd is right... "it depends (TM)"15:57
zeddiishould be meta-kustom15:57
moto-timozeddii: it should be15:57
dl9pfYPTM: Jan-Simon joined15:59
LetoThe2ndzeddii: ++16:00
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teppersoncan you do weird things like name the layer meta-(y) up16:00
paulbarkerYPTM: I'll be joining a few mins late16:00
tepperson(actualy smiley)16:00
qschulztepperson: if the devices aren't here, the device drivers won't probe so it's fine to have them all the time? except if you have conflicts between devices or if part of your product is having the same hw but disabling some feature depending on the "image" (~artifact) you want to build.. in which case it's probably more a distro you want?16:00
qschulzso all in all... "It depends (TM)"16:00
qschulztepperson: vendors already do weird stuff, don't give them ideas :)16:01
teppersonqschulz: ok i'l need to look into the distro side as I am not familiar with that yet.16:01
LetoThe2ndtepperson: i take it you have already watched the youtube playlist a couple of times? it goes best with sufficiently large number of beers, i'm being told.16:02
qschulznote that distro is the biggest change you can make in Yocto. This means that having different distros mean enormous build times16:02
qschulz(more or less as much time as building from scratch your current distro)16:03
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kamel_bLetoThe2nd: Im now have the confirmation that there is an issue with npmsw fetcher that inhibit correct variable expansion "sometimes"16:13
LetoThe2ndkamel_b: i see. at least report a bug for it, even better prepare a patch :)16:14
kamel_bI still don't know why (I tried increasing the recusion limit) and if it could be related to some tasks order16:14
kamel_bLetoThe2nd: yep I'll stick on it for sure16:14
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zeddiiI missed the yocto meeting. I hope y'all behaved.17:03
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paulgword is they deployed some mall cops in your absence...17:18
zeddiimy doorbell just rang, maybe they are here for me.17:18
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moto-timozeddii: we assigned all the qemu CVEs to you17:39
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zeddiiwe should strong consider mapping clenall to cleanall, would save me a lot of typos.17:55
armpitor cleenall17:55
zeddii+1 hah.17:56
zeddiihow ironic I typo'd +117:56
zeddii0: libvirt-6.3.0-r0 do_cleansstate - 3m57s (pid 896555)17:59
zeddiithat's a long clenall !17:59
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rburtoncleansstate is for chumps18:00
zeddii0: libvirt-6.3.0-r0 do_cleansstate - 5m47s (pid 896555)18:00
zeddiistill going!!18:01
zeddiilibvirt and I are long time enemies.18:01
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zeddii0: libvirt-6.3.0-r0 do_cleansstate - 8m17s (pid 896555)18:03
zeddiifinally finished.18:03
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khemI wonder if packagegroups should have EXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD set by default18:17
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teppersonEXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD += "covid-19" ?18:42
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bantuHello. I am seeing "The following required tools (as specified by HOSTTOOLS) appear to be unavailable in PATH, please install them in order to proceed: cpp g++ gcc rpcgen" but these tools are all in the PATH. :-/19:02
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JPEWmoto-timo: Let me know if there's anything interesting about Tekton at KubeCon... I've been playing around with it and it's pretty cool20:52
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kiwi_29Hello.. I am getting lots of these errors.  "  Exception: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './deploy-source-date-epoch/deploy-source-date-epoch/__source_date_epoch.txt' "   . The build is happening in side Docker container on a macbook20:56
kiwi_29any idea20:56
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JPEWkiwi_29: What version are you using (e.g. master, dunfell, etc.)?21:25
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kiwi_29JPEW dunfell21:32
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RPzeddii: cleansstate iterates the sstate directories. If they're large...21:37
RPits really not a fast thing21:37
JPEWkiwi_29: Can you post the full backtrace somewhere?21:40
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kiwi_29JPEG --> https://pastebin.com/S0rKFgnW21:46
kiwi_29JPEW (sorry for autocorrect)21:46
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JPEWblerg our IT blocks pastebin....21:51
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kiwi_29let me try something else22:04
JPEWkiwi_29: I was able to see it22:04
JPEWkiwi_29: That's... intetesting22:06
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JPEWkiwi_29: It looks like the file is being removed and that's racing with the deploy?22:12
kiwi_29looks like...but I saw there was a talk about this behaviour before22:14
JPEWkiwi_29: I think that's a different issue that was already fixed22:16
kiwi_29I see22:16
JPEWkiwi_29: Can you reproduce it easily? Maybe try running `bitbake -DDD ...`22:17
JPEWkiwi_29: It really does look like some weird race though....22:18
kiwi_29yes..it happens everytime22:21
kiwi_29I will do -DDD and send pastebin22:21
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kiwi_29JPEW https://pastebin.com/5wtQsVHG   with -DDD22:26
kiwi_29I created a case-sensitive APFS volume on my macbook and am sharing this volume to docker. The output of build goes to this volume22:28
JPEWkiwi_29: Hmm22:29
kiwi_29because yocto builds were not happening on case-insensitive APFS volume22:29
JPEWI think there should be a log.do_deploy_source_date_epoch in the failed recipes log directory, can you post that?22:29
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kiwi_29JPEW https://pastebin.com/GYbPWMS222:37
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JPEWkiwi_29: That appears to be a different error?22:47
JPEWpossibly related though....22:47
kiwi_29Let me check other failing recipes22:47
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kiwi_29JPEW this logs looks different..   https://pastebin.com/vqQqNqbv22:53
RPzeddii: hmm: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/15/builds/299622:59
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JPEWkiwi_29: Ya, weird23:12
JPEWkiwi_29: It really looks like the file is being deleted23:14
JPEWWell, it's weird because the directory enumeration (e.g. ls, readdir()) is reporting the file is there, but when a process goes to open the file it is "not" there23:15
JPEWThis happens twice; once in the sstate_hardcode_path function (where it is not fatal) and once again in sstate_report_unihash (where it is fatal)23:16
JPEWThe fact that it is happening the same way in two functions that execute sequentially makes me think it is not a race condition23:16
JPEWkiwi_29: I'm pretty sure this is some weird quirk of APFS.... if you can figure out what it is, that might be useful23:17
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kiwi_29I see... yes.. I have to solve it ..so will report what I find23:20
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Don91Hi everyone. Quick question. When using devtool for the kernel or u-boot, does running 'bitbake -c menuconfig linux-yocto' perform the menuconfig in the devtool workspace?23:25
moto-timoJPEW: will do23:26
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Don91Okay I think I answered my own question. Looks like it will create the .config in the normal workspace and then symlink to it in the devtool workspace.23:51
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