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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 06:50 |
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| mihai | yo | 07:12 |
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| kranzo | Can someone point me to the manual or files, where i can inspect what these features actually do? | 08:42 |
| kranzo | `POKY_DEFAULT_DISTRO_FEATURES = "largefile opengl ptest multiarch wayland vulkan" | 08:42 |
| kranzo | ` | 08:42 |
| kranzo | actually i can guess a lot but largefile kinda strange for me | 08:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | kranzo: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/features.html#ref-features-distro | 08:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | kranzo: its very well possible that largefile is deprecated, respectively a leftover. are there any references/checks to it? | 08:45 |
| kranzo | found a patch from 2011, seems correlated with busybox's largefilesupport (not sure what this is) but i can google for it now, i was just unsure why its not covered in the manual :) | 08:48 |
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| rburton | largefile is pretty historical | 09:04 |
| kranzo | i just dropped it for now | 09:05 |
| rburton | RP: was the only failure caused by my patch in the selftests? | 09:19 |
| rburton | ah you fixed it already, cool. thanks | 09:31 |
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| rburton | RP: well https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/20/builds/4135 is annoying | 10:52 |
| kranzo | is there a proper way of recovering from an pseudoerror without cleansstate? | 11:00 |
| rburton | rm tmp is a lot easer :) | 11:04 |
| rburton | depends what the pseudo error is of course | 11:04 |
| kranzo | its a path mismatch, cleansstate for the recipe and rebuilding is resolving it so im not sure how to remove tmp only for the specific recipe | 11:05 |
| rburton | just wipe all of tmp, often faster than iterating a large sstate | 11:07 |
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| tlwoerner | kranzo: there was a time where if you wanted to work with a single file that was more than 2GB in size, your kernel, c library, and user-space had to have "largefile" support enabled | 11:49 |
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| Tartarus | Hmm, is it me or does https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/common-tasks.html#using-bbappend-files-in-your-layer seem like it got cut off mid explanation? | 13:55 |
| Tartarus | "Here's what that first line expands to". Next section | 13:55 |
| Tartarus | I was hoping for a few more details like in https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/common-tasks.html#writing-a-new-recipe to explain what you put in an append/why | 13:56 |
| * Tartarus passes both pages along to his customer for now | 13:56 | |
| qschulz | Tartarus: could you please give us the exact text and the page where it can be found because I couldn't find it using the string you sent | 14:01 |
| Tartarus | Ah sorry, I was summarizing | 14:01 |
| Tartarus | The last line of that section is "Using the immediate expansion assignment operator := is important because of the reference to THISDIR. The trailing colon character is important as it ensures that items in the list remain colon-separated." | 14:01 |
| Tartarus | Now, looking at the layer, it's because the pi layer is just overriding a single file there with it's own | 14:02 |
| Tartarus | Which would be good to exlpain, in the docs, that is what it's doing. | 14:03 |
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| Tartarus | A sentence about "Now the `machconfig` file found in meta-raspberrypi will be used instead of the one in the core layer." would finish the explanation. | 14:05 |
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| vmeson | halstead: anyone, is it just me or is the layers.openembedded.org site having clock problems: Firefox detected an issue and did not continue to layers.openembedded.org. The website is either misconfigured or your computer clock is set to the wrong time. | 14:07 |
| vmeson | ah: -> The certificate for layers.openembedded.org expired on 2021-08-12. | 14:07 |
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| paulg | vmeson, do you have TZ set to New Zealand? It doesn't complain at me. | 14:08 |
| paulg | It is supposed to be set to where you are, not where you want to be. :-P | 14:10 |
| Tartarus | paulg: I see someone else internally is noting the cert problem, and they're in EU | 14:10 |
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| Tartarus | lofc it's also mad here, in the east coast us :) | 14:11 |
| qschulz | Tartarus: please send a patch, this addition makes sense to me :) | 14:12 |
| Tartarus | qschulz: Sure, point me at the doc repo :) | 14:12 |
| Tartarus | Or is that still git://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs ? | 14:12 |
| qschulz | yup | 14:12 |
| Tartarus | Only been 4 years since my last pull, ok, moment | 14:13 |
| qschulz | hehehe :) | 14:13 |
| qschulz | much changed since then | 14:13 |
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| qschulz | we're using restructedText now :) | 14:13 |
| Tartarus | Before or after the note section | 14:14 |
| Tartarus | ? | 14:14 |
| vmeson | paulg: no and it works now after failure at least twice earlier. | 14:15 |
| vmeson | This winter, it would be nice to set my TZ to NZ! | 14:15 |
| qschulz | Tartarus: I'd personally have it after, let's see what other will say on the ML :) | 14:15 |
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| d0ku | I've started using extensible SDK (on gatesgarth) and wonder if the host packages I need to install can be installed "in runtime" or do they have to be prebuilt into SDK installer? | 14:32 |
| d0ku | Also in this case should I still use `nativesdk-` or `-native` is also fine? | 14:32 |
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| Tartarus | ... well, at least one can pip install pipenv :) | 14:42 |
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| Tartarus | qschulz: OK, It'll be a little bit before I post since I'm gonna go fix what I complained about being missing too, which means a bit more of a re-org to this section. | 14:50 |
| qschulz | Tartarus: :) Don't hesitate to make multiple commits if the changes are logically different :) | 14:51 |
| Tartarus | Oh yes | 14:51 |
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| tp43_ | hi | 15:16 |
| vmeson | michaelo: for release status in https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases and elsewhere, rather than EOL, some might want to say: Community/OS Vendors | 15:16 |
| tp43_ | brb | 15:16 |
| vmeson | michaelo: I added a note to the wiki. | 15:20 |
| qschulz | vmeson: IIRC, we used to specify when it's community maintained | 15:20 |
| qschulz | so probably no-one is actively maintaining any on the official git repo | 15:21 |
| vmeson | qschulz: yeah, I remember that. I can update my note if you like. | 15:21 |
| vmeson | my angle was clearly to point out that OSVs are happy to do longer term support! ;-) | 15:22 |
| vmeson | to save people the time, I have: EOL means some community support as well as OS Vendor support for some releases. | 15:23 |
| qschulz | "community support" is a bit amibuguous. We technically do support here on IRC or sometimes by mail, but there won't be any patch if the branch is EOL | 15:24 |
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| qschulz | as opposed to "real" community support of a release, where the branch continues to live with some backports and fixes, without any dot release | 15:25 |
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| vmeson | qschulz: updated to say: EOL means some community support on email lists but no commit updates in the repos. There is also OS Vendor support for some Yocto EOL releases. | 15:39 |
| halstead | vmeson: I've forced the cert to reload on layers so the expiration is fixed. I also checked for clockskew. It was off by 0.002685 seconds which shouldn't have caused trouble. | 15:40 |
| paulg | <tinfoil_hat>must be those negative leap seconds...</tinfoil_hat> | 15:41 |
| halstead | Must be. I'll figure out why the cert isn't reloading automatically next week. I'm on vacation today. | 15:42 |
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| rburton | ah joy, looks like buildhistory is broken with the new overrides | 16:22 |
| smurray | doh! | 16:30 |
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| rburton | hm no maybe its been broken a while :) | 16:48 |
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| tp43_ | anyone using yocto for sierra wireless hardware or legato dev platform in here? | 17:47 |
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| smurray | JPEW: were you planning to submit your bitbake change wrt moving asyncio loop creation into the child processes? or should I pick it up for the PR server patchset? | 18:43 |
| JPEW | smurray: This one: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/commit/?h=jpew/bitbake-venv&id=8de34bfca25a75487b87832077fcb59718fd7585 ? | 18:47 |
| smurray | JPEW: yep | 18:47 |
| JPEW | smurray: Go ahead and pick it up | 18:48 |
| tp43_ | What hardware is cheapest to try out yocto? | 18:48 |
| JPEW | tp43_: qemu or raspberry pi? | 18:48 |
| smurray | JPEW: okay. It needs one little 1-liner fix, I posted a diff last week that I suspect you missed | 18:49 |
| JPEW | smurray: Ah probably | 18:49 |
| tp43_ | JPEW, thx | 18:49 |
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| tp43_ | Nothing cheaper than raspberry. Although it is affordable enough. | 18:49 |
| smurray | JPEW: just one missed s/loop/self.loop/ in a Python version conditional | 18:50 |
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| JPEW | Ah | 18:50 |
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| cocoJoe | Does the bier brand matter when Yocto is working? | 19:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | beer always matters. | 19:09 |
| cocoJoe | but does it have to be German beer? | 19:10 |
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| LetoThe2nd | i don't think so. | 19:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | i missed the conversation beginning, how did we get here? | 19:27 |
| cocoJoe | I am just watching your live coding on YT :-D | 19:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | hehe yeah, that might have drinking-inducing effects. | 19:32 |
| LetoThe2nd | shameless plug: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/mentorship-session-its-not-just-about-embedded-the-yocto-project/ | 19:32 |
| cocoJoe | I have it open already :-D | 19:34 |
| manuel_ | Hi all! When doing runqemu without `nographic`, I get the following error: Failed to run qemu: Could not initialize SDL(x11 not available) | 19:36 |
| manuel_ | Didn't find a solution yet. I'm all ears if someone has come across this. | 19:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel_: in which kind of environment? | 19:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | cocoJoe: very good! | 19:37 |
| manuel_ | On the build machine, x86_64 | 19:38 |
| manuel_ | Build is not dockerized | 19:38 |
| cocoJoe | what about ssh or tmux? | 19:38 |
| manuel_ | cocoJoe? Was that directed at me? | 19:39 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_yea sorry | 19:39 |
| smurray | manuel_: if you're logging into a machine and don't have remote X11 set up, you'll get that | 19:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel_: well, two obvious things to check: screen/tmux/ssh, obviously, and libsdl1.2 being installed and working | 19:40 |
| smurray | manuel_: these days I use the VNC support instead, that's activated by passing publicvnc to runqemu | 19:40 |
| manuel_ | I assumed when I do runqemu without 'nographic' it will just open an X11 window with the output? | 19:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | smurray: i was just about to suggest vnc, +1 for the perfect hint! | 19:41 |
| manuel_ | I think thats what qemu did when I ran it manually years ago with my handmade image (no yocto, just debootstrap and loopback devices) | 19:41 |
| smurray | manuel_: if you're doing it on a local machine with X11, yes. If you're sshing into a machine and running runqemu, then you'll need to get remote X displayt working | 19:41 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_ what does "echo $DISPLAY" print? | 19:42 |
| manuel_ | smurray: I'm on a local machine with X11. | 19:42 |
| smurray | manuel_: as cocoJoe suggested, check what DISPLAY is set to | 19:42 |
| manuel_ | cocoJoe: I think you're onto something. In that kas-created shell where I do runqemu, echo $DISPLAY returns just a newline. On the host it's ":0", which is the right thing I assume | 19:43 |
| smurray | manuel_: next step would be try running another X app (e.g. xeyes) from your build environment to make sure anything will come up | 19:43 |
| manuel_ | kas (https://kas.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) kinda creates a temporary environment in which your build runs | 19:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel_: kas usually wants to (and also does) put you into a docker | 19:45 |
| manuel_ | cocoJoe: It works now. All I had to do was a "export DISPLAY=:0" inside the kas shell | 19:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | hm, so it seems to open a clean sub shell | 19:46 |
| manuel_ | LetoThe2nd: I'm currently only using the kas pip3 package, not the docker container | 19:47 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_ was just about to suggest that :-D | 19:47 |
| manuel_ | LetoThe2nd: Yepp I think you have to allow that var to go through in kas .yml file | 19:47 |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel_: sounds sensible | 19:49 |
| manuel_ | cocoJoe: That was the logical next step :) Your guess was right. Thanks | 19:49 |
| manuel_ | Next step: Get X11 to work on my Raspberry Pi 4. I'm building my thing for both machines. | 19:50 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_ you are welcome :-D | 19:50 |
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| manuel_ | LetoThe2nd: Getting kvm running inside kas-docker-container is a bit tricky | 19:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel_: yeah. but i am so old that my brain consequently interprets kvm as "keyboard-video-mouse" | 19:53 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_ if you can make kas pass in the --privileged flag it should be able to access KVM | 19:56 |
| cocoJoe | but if you are emulating ARM it will not work | 19:56 |
| manuel_ | cocoJoe: Yeah, I assumed but didn't try out. Thanks to know that works. Will need to find a way around --privileged, though. | 19:59 |
| cocoJoe | manuel_ I normally make a VM in libvirt and use the output from yocto as disk image, but it can be a bit more tedious, but it works over ssh | 20:01 |
| manuel_ | Ok that's tricky. I'm on my Raspi know. Something is starting a process "xinit /etc/X11/X11session -- /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -pn" every few seconds | 20:01 |
| manuel_ | That process lives for a few seconds only, so I can't check it's environment, but I assume it's lacking the DISPLAY=:0 | 20:01 |
| manuel_ | Who is starting that process? | 20:01 |
| manuel_ | It has forked off, so in htop shows up as child of pid 1 | 20:02 |
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| manuel_ | Hmm, the Xorg log tells me "Failed to load module "fbdev"" | 20:13 |
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| marex | manuel_: do you actually care about the video output from the runqemu or can it be sent e.g. to Xvfb and ignored ? | 20:28 |
| manuel_ | marex: I do actually care | 20:29 |
| marex | ok, then VNC it is | 20:30 |
| manuel_ | marex: No need, when I runqemu without "nographic" now, it just pops up a windows. That's perfect. | 20:31 |
| manuel_ | Still a bit slow, though, altough runqemu runs with kvm. | 20:31 |
| tp43_ | I just spent 4hrs reading yocto docs. I started from the top and now I am at 3.4 Git Workflows and the Yocto Project. I regret to say, I did not learn anything more than I got from the quick start guide. | 20:42 |
| tp43_ | If anyone wouldn't mind mentioning the hardware they are working on please. And if you have a link so I do not have to google would be bonus. Regards. | 20:44 |
| manuel_ | tp43_: I'm working on a Raspberry Pi 4. How is that of interest to you? | 20:47 |
| tp43_ | manuel_, I am thinking of what to buy. What are advantages to using Yocto over the images at the R pi website? | 20:48 |
| manuel_ | That you have a tailormade linux system? That's what Yocto is all about I guess. | 20:49 |
| tp43_ | manuel_, true | 20:50 |
| paulg | tp43_, it depends what you are trying to do. Are you looking for a cheap platform just to learn Yocto on, or do you have a specific embedded project in mind, or .... ? | 20:50 |
| tp43_ | manuel_, no missing drivers? | 20:50 |
| tp43_ | paulg, cheap to learn | 20:50 |
| paulg | If you can share a bit more on what your overall goal is, people might be able to give more guided help. | 20:50 |
| tp43_ | paulg, learn to use Yocto | 20:50 |
| marex | qemu ? | 20:50 |
| manuel_ | tp43: The meta-raspberrypi layer comes with some example images I think, so it should get you started very qicklly | 20:51 |
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| tp43_ | marex, hmm, I did quick build. I can run qemu. So just play around with it, run commands, try to do stuff eh? | 20:51 |
| marex | well, yes, it costs nothing, the drivers are all there in the kernel ... so ... why not | 20:52 |
| tp43_ | marex, yes of course. | 20:52 |
| marex | also, shipping time is the speed of your internet connectivity | 20:52 |
| marex | or are you looking for something tangible (board) ? | 20:53 |
| tp43_ | marex I mean if I got out and buy one, the only difference is going to be that I had to flash it or otherwise install the image. And then ssh in. Then back to the same point as with qemu. | 20:53 |
| tp43_ | marex, well it would be a real world experience then. | 20:54 |
| marex | tp43_: what do you hope to learn with that ? the part where every hardware has unique problems ? :) | 20:55 |
| paulg | yes, with r-pi, you'd be putting stuff (broadcomm firmware, u-boot etc) on an u-SD card and learing r-pi board specifics, but if you have no interest in the hardware specifics, then that doesn't help you much. | 20:56 |
| paulg | if you are just looking to change packages in a root filesystem image and change userspace contents etc - then qemu will do just fine and you won't be wasting time on board specifics you don't really care about. | 20:57 |
| tp43_ | paulg, I am interested in the hardware specifics. But I guess I should start with learning just yocto for now and wait to get the hardware work. | 20:57 |
| marex | but if you buy e.g. a board which is poorly supported and suffer with it a long time to get it properly supported, it could be a good learning experience | 20:57 |
| tp43_ | I have a wp76xx board from sierra wireless. But I can not do anything with it. But I see pi is there in the index. I'm not sure if it is in the reviewed index. But it might help me do some things, so then when I got back to the more challenging situation with sierrawireless, the easier parts won't be a problem. | 20:59 |
| paulg | there is also nothing stopping you from installing yocto on that 10 year old PC in your cousin Bob's basement that he never threw out yet (using generic-x86/common-pc target) | 20:59 |
| tp43_ | marex, I am thinking of buying r pi 4 cortex(arm v8). I have a wp76xx arm v4 | 20:59 |
| tp43_ | paulg, that would be a better start. you are correct. I can make a bootable usb/cd? | 21:00 |
| marex | that armv4 might be easier to get started with -- simpler hardware which one can actually comprehend | 21:00 |
| marex | start with basic stuff, add complexity once you understand the basics | 21:01 |
| tp43_ | yeah but I do not see any sierrawireless or legato in the index. I have to go to the vendor and I am not sure how to do. It is an industry device. Where as r pi is a hobby device with many blogs and what not for tutorials. So I thought R Pi would be easier. | 21:02 |
| tp43_ | Although docs say going to the vendor is the best route. | 21:02 |
| marex | tp43_: so, roll your own layer for that board ? | 21:03 |
| tp43_ | They do compilicated stuff, the instruction at for wp76xx. Like move to opt, take ownership, give back ownership. I mean no big deal, but so many things like that that do not make sense to me as of yet. | 21:03 |
| marex | pocketbeagle might also be a good platform, or some of the beagleboards | 21:04 |
| tp43_ | marex. ok. cool yeah, I will start with learning how to roll out my own layer. Then for that board. But later, when I try to work on the wp76xx. I need to use the layers provided; all the drivers provided by the vendor. | 21:04 |
| marex | it is old and reasonably simple hardware | 21:04 |
| marex | tp43_: you could try and learn kernel work while at it | 21:04 |
| tp43_ | marex, like what. what is kernel work. I saw one video. Hello world linux driver that just prints to kernel log. | 21:05 |
| tp43_ | manuel_, Also, I want to know all the options. Like if I learn Yocto, all the various hardware options that open up to me. There is R Pi and Beagle bone. Then sierra wireless. | 21:07 |
| tp43_ | XILINK | 21:07 |
| tp43_ | *XILINx | 21:07 |
| tp43_ | thx guys for the advice | 21:22 |
| JPEW | Hmm, apparently circular RDEPENDS are an allowed thing? | 21:29 |
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| marex | not xilinx if possible | 21:48 |
| marex | that has extra complications due to the vivado/vitis | 21:48 |
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| tp43_ | marex, thx | 22:23 |
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| tlwoerner | tp43_: if you visit http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/, select your branch (e.g. master, dunfell) then, on the right, click "Filter layers" and only choose "Machine (BSP)" you'll get a list of BSP layers that will give you an idea of what devices are supported | 22:31 |
| tlwoerner | note, however, that the quality can vary, so just because you find something there, doesn't mean it'll be painless to use | 22:32 |
| tlwoerner | take note of the last commit to a given layer to get an idea of which ones are more currently supported | 22:32 |
| tlwoerner | also, if you've selected a board, before buying, try doing a build for that MACHINE to see how well it goes :-D | 22:33 |
| tp43_ | tlwoerner, I can do bitbake core-image-minimal for the qemuxarm and x86, both 64 bit versions np. But you mean, not the qemu version, but actual hardware version right? | 22:35 |
| tp43_ | I am thinking of buy R PI 4 which is arm v8 cortex | 22:36 |
| tlwoerner | tp43_: yes, i take it you're interested in trying yocto out on different physical devices (e.g. rpi etc) so i recommend doing a build before you buy, just to make sure the layer is usable :-) | 22:36 |
| tlwoerner | oh yea, the rpi4 will work fine | 22:36 |
| tp43_ | They have it at local electronics shop here in my town for $80. But then I guess I have to get the usb to uart at 3.3v converter cable too. | 22:37 |
| tlwoerner | you can choose between 32-bit or 64-bit | 22:37 |
| tlwoerner | yes, console cables are good. i've got a stack of them | 22:37 |
| tlwoerner | (most of us probably do) | 22:37 |
| tp43_ | tlwoerner, why/how do you have so many/ | 22:37 |
| tp43_ | Maybe I do too then. | 22:38 |
| tp43_ | I can just cut any old usb cable? and solder those single pin connectors? | 22:38 |
| tp43_ | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015ME2WKO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | 22:39 |
| tp43_ | This guy https://lancesimms.com/RaspberryPi/HackingRaspberryPi4WithYocto_Part1.html says I gotta buy that cable for $25 | 22:40 |
| tp43_ | Just looks like a regular usb cable with those single pin connectors. | 22:40 |
| tlwoerner | whatever works for you :-) | 22:41 |
| tp43_ | tlwoerner, so it is just a usb cable right? There is nothing special in there to doing conversion or setting voltages | 22:44 |
| JPEW | tp43_: it's not a regular USB cable. There is a usb-uart adaptor chip in the plug | 22:45 |
| tp43_ | JPEW, thx | 22:45 |
| tp43_ | JPEW, do you know where else to buy them, like in person instead of waiting for the mail? | 22:46 |
| JPEW | Any USB UART adaptor that can operate at 3.3v should work | 22:46 |
| JPEW | I always buy mine on Amazon | 22:46 |
| tp43_ | JPEW I never heard of UART before recent | 22:46 |
| JPEW | Ah. It's pretty common in embedded... It's simple enough that it almost always works so it's good for debugging | 22:47 |
| tp43_ | JPEW had advantage over ssh/telnet of allowing you to read boot and kernel log | 22:49 |
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| JPEW | Correct. You can init it really early in the boot (bootloader or earlier even) | 22:50 |
| tlwoerner | oh right, yea there's the converter. like i said, most of us have a bunch of them. console cables are pretty common in embedded. it's either that, or blinking an LED (lol) | 22:51 |
| JPEW | There comes a point in most of my microcontroller projects where I seriously consider writing a printf() that does Morse code on an LED... | 22:57 |
| tp43_ | JPEW lol | 23:00 |
| moto-timo | JPEW: thank you for the packagedata patch, you beat me to it | 23:01 |
| JPEW | moto-timo: was it actually breaking something? | 23:02 |
| moto-timo | RP: not sure about FILER*LIST needing override change in patch I just sent, but FILERPROVIDES and FILERDEPENDS are definitely needed or packagedata isn’t populated | 23:02 |
| moto-timo | JPEW: my Perl-rodeos WIP | 23:03 |
| moto-timo | Errr. perl-rdeps | 23:03 |
| JPEW | moto-timo: rodeo seems appropriate | 23:15 |
| moto-timo | JPEW: very. Lots of loops and I think there is a clown in a barrel | 23:16 |
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| tp43_ | how do I do $runqemu -nographic qemux86-64, you know what I mean, cause that there what I entered did not work. | 23:26 |
| tp43_ | cause the gui is for touch and the mouse dissapears in the window. | 23:26 |
| tp43_ | Nevermind, I got it. instead you just do $qemu qemux86-64 core-image-minial | 23:31 |
| tp43_ | or core-image-sato, but it boots sato by default | 23:32 |
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