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| moto-timo | https://www.linaro.org/blog/openembedded-yocto-project-for-kernel-developers/ | 01:17 |
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| AKN | Hi how to mentioned FAT16 option in the wks | 05:43 |
| AKN | part /boot --source bootimg-partition --ondisk mmcblk0 --fstype=vfat --label boot --active --align 1024 --extra-space 100M --use-uuid | 05:43 |
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| landgraf | AKN: --fstype=msdos should do it | 07:12 |
| landgraf | elif part.fstype == "msdos": | 07:13 |
| landgraf | parted_fs_type = "fat16" | 07:13 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:15 |
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| qschulz | o/ | 07:52 |
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| Payam__ | Hi | 11:13 |
| Payam__ | I would like to learn Yocto and how to use it. | 11:13 |
| Payam__ | Is there any formal guides? | 11:14 |
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| qschulz | Payam__: hi, https://docs.yoctoproject.org/, https://docs.yoctoproject.org/bitbake, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4M5FoHz-TxMfBFrDKfIS_GLY25Qsfyj for the official docs | 11:18 |
| qschulz | and tutorials | 11:18 |
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| Payam__ | is there any project oriented book where you actually can build a embedded linux | 11:19 |
| qschulz | some people here offer training too | 11:19 |
| Payam__ | '? | 11:19 |
| RP | rburton: arm builds are backlogging :( | 11:21 |
| Payam__ | I don't have money | 11:21 |
| Payam__ | to pay anyone | 11:21 |
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| qschulz | Payam__: Bootlin has CC-BY-SA training materials on their website you can access for free | 11:22 |
| rburton | RP: hm. the altra has a persistent kernel process that is constantly eating cpu which removing should help | 11:22 |
| RP | rburton: one of the arm systems is paused but I don't know why | 11:22 |
| Payam__ | bootlin? | 11:23 |
| qschulz | Payam__: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35644861-mastering-embedded-linux-programming was worked on by people from the Yocto community. I haven't read it so can't recommend | 11:23 |
| Payam__ | thanks bud | 11:23 |
| rburton | RP: ah | 11:26 |
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| rburton | RP that's the altra | 11:26 |
| rburton | it has a selftest running which stopped doing stuff at 1am this morning | 11:27 |
| RP | rburton: wait for maint I guess | 11:28 |
| rburton | yeah | 11:28 |
| RP | and hope my build finishes or merge some patches blind | 11:28 |
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| eirikb[m] | In my docker yocto runtime + SDK-image endeavour, would it be possible to kind of automatically source the toolchain? So it is always "enabled" in the image? | 11:40 |
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| frosteyes1 | JaMa: just sent you an email regarding qtwayland in meta-qt5 (might just be easier to answer hear) | 12:38 |
| RP | rburton: it caught up quite quickly when it did get there! :) | 12:45 |
| JPEW | abelloni: Thanks, I can take a look.... which host do I ssh into? | 12:45 |
| * JPEW feels he should probably know that somehow.... | 12:46 | |
| RP | JPEW: fedora36-ty-1 | 12:46 |
| RP | JPEW: it is in the bug | 12:47 |
| JPEW | AH, got it | 12:47 |
| JPEW | Thanks | 12:47 |
| JPEW | Ok, I'm in.... do I have to do something special to get access to that directory? Currently my user (jpew) doesn't have access to that directory. Sorry, it's been a while since I was on an AB node. | 12:50 |
| RP | JPEW: sudo -iu pokybuild | 12:50 |
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| JaMa | frosteyes1: I've replied to e-mail, lets move it to github issue ticket | 13:00 |
| mcfrisk | hi, many recipes in kirkstone poky now add patches to SRC_URI with an :append. Why is the old style += append not used anymore? It's getting trickier to do minor patch or SRC_URI modifications now, or is that the purpose? | 13:04 |
| RP | mcfrisk: I'd love to get us back to += | 13:05 |
| mcfrisk | RP: is it ok that I send patches? I just want to be able to rewrite SRC_URI of u-boot in custom layers while keeping rest compatible with updates in poky | 13:06 |
| RP | mcfrisk: I'd say yes. There may be some conditional cases we need to keep (native patches) but in general I'd prefer to see += used | 13:07 |
| mcfrisk | RP: ok | 13:09 |
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| frosteyes1 | JaMa will do | 13:18 |
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| qschulz | mcfrisk: is there any SRC_URI:machine in there? | 13:24 |
| qschulz | that would be reason for using :append | 13:25 |
| qschulz | instead of += | 13:25 |
| qschulz | since append will apply to both SRC_URI anmd SRC_URI:machine | 13:25 |
| mcfrisk | qschulz: no, see poky/meta/recipes-bsp/u-boot in kirkstone and master | 13:26 |
| mcfrisk | since several recipes are doing that, I was wondering if bbappends should use some other method for overriding, maybe machine/distro appends if that works | 13:27 |
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| RP | mcfrisk: the operators are a kind of arms race :( | 13:35 |
| JPEW | RP: ... do the test run in parallel on the QEMU target? | 13:35 |
| RP | JPEW: no | 13:36 |
| JPEW | I think these `DEBUG: time` statements are not what I think they are then.... they are all over the place :) | 13:38 |
| kanavin | RP: can I throw a quick idea your way? build/conf/local.conf.d/ - yes/no/maybe? | 13:38 |
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| RP | kanavin: maybe but we need to step back and think about the bigger design | 13:39 |
| RP | JPEW: I don't even remember what/where those are | 13:40 |
| kanavin | RP: I thought about how the fragments would be actually brought into an active build, and this seems like the easiest way. But I can write up something to oe-architecture when this release is out. | 13:40 |
| kanavin | RP: just wanted to ensure you don't shoot it down immediately for some well-known reason :) | 13:40 |
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| RP | kanavin: In some ways I dislike the "copy" approach that such a directory structure implies | 13:44 |
| RP | I'd rather a conf file specified which ones were wanted rather than have copies | 13:44 |
| kanavin | RP: I am also not sure what is the better direction - copy snippets or refer to them. If you refer to them, you cannot change them. If you copy them, you miss out on upstream changes. | 13:45 |
| RP | kanavin: I prefer only having copies of things you actually modify (and then get to own) | 13:45 |
| kanavin | RP: ideally, no one should ever have to look at yocto configs until you actually want to modify their behavior. e.g. if you want docker, use 'oe-setup-build find docker' - not that dissimilar to a binary package manager actually, but working on a 'yocto config' level. | 13:47 |
| JPEW | Ah, `endtime` is actually the timeout, that makes more sense | 13:47 |
| kanavin | RP: but this warrants a proposal on oe-architecture, which should be done later | 13:47 |
| RP | kanavin: if people don't need to look at the fragments, that implies they're better handled by reference as they don't chage | 13:48 |
| RP | JPEW: ah, yes. This sounds like paranoid debugging we added | 13:48 |
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| kanavin | RP: perhaps the default would be handling by reference, but we could think of some 'copy on write' workflow if that is seen as beneficial | 13:50 |
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| RP | copy on write happens to work with the way conf files are today | 13:51 |
| RP | they're searched in BBPATH order | 13:51 |
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| kanavin | RP: I mean, supported by tooling, e.g. 'oe-setup-build add docker' will insert a reference, but 'oe-setup-build modify docker' will make a copy, and make clear the implications to the user | 13:52 |
| RP | kanavin: but that could just copy into the build's conf directory | 13:52 |
| kanavin | RP: yes, hence build/conf/local.conf.d/ idea I mentioned earlier ;) | 13:53 |
| RP | kanavin: you don't need that though | 13:53 |
| RP | that just adds complexity which isn't needed | 13:53 |
| kanavin | RP: how come? I would not want any tool to modify local.conf itself | 13:53 |
| RP | kanavin: say you have a fragment meta-poky/conf/fragments/xxx.inc. You copy that to build/conf/fragments/xxx.inc | 13:54 |
| RP | no need to modify local.conf | 13:54 |
| kanavin | RP: but how would it be picked up by bitbake then? | 13:54 |
| kanavin | ah! | 13:54 |
| kanavin | via path magic | 13:55 |
| RP | right. This magic works today for classes and conf files | 13:55 |
| kanavin | RP: but then how would the original fragment be 'enabled' in the build? | 13:55 |
| kanavin | in the first place | 13:55 |
| RP | kanavin: that would require a list in local.conf | 13:55 |
| RP | but you don't have to change local.conf to fork a fragment | 13:56 |
| RP | we may as well expose the user to way path works as it is there and they'll have to deal with it at some point | 13:56 |
| kanavin | RP: right, then this shifts the problem to enabling a fragment in the first place - programmatically modifying local.conf is not something I would like | 13:57 |
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| RP | kanavin: which is a bit of a different discussion | 13:57 |
| RP | I dislike copying fragments around more than I dislike changing a list of fragments in local.conf | 13:57 |
| RP | we do have code which can edit files already :/ | 13:58 |
| qschulz | build/conf/bbconf.conf with a list in there, à la bblayers.conf? | 13:58 |
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| kanavin | I'd rather create symlinks than edit files | 13:59 |
| kanavin | systemd/sysvinit style :) | 13:59 |
| RP | which is why I said this needs to be thought about as part of the bigger picture | 13:59 |
| kanavin | RP: sure, it's just to seed the brain cells really - thanks :) | 14:00 |
| RP | kanavin: the trouble is people tend to push these kinds of interfaces to breaking point | 14:00 |
| RP | i.e. even if you didn't make it fork things, people soon would | 14:00 |
| RP | this is one reason why I've always said no to classappend files | 14:01 |
| RP | technically trivial but a really bad idea for the project | 14:01 |
| RP | Refusing those is probably one of my better decisions! :) | 14:02 |
| kanavin | RP: I would be horrified if I'd have to understand those as part of my 'upgrade yocto BSP' projects :-) | 14:02 |
| kanavin | RP: every now and again I wonder if oe/bitbake could be redesigned in an 'immutable' fashion | 14:05 |
| kanavin | not that it's practical or realistic, just a thought exercise kind of | 14:05 |
| RP | kanavin: one of it's strengths is that you can change anything | 14:05 |
| RP | there are just different levels of pain in changing different things | 14:06 |
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| frosteyes1 | JaMa: - github issue - https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5/issues/484 | 14:16 |
| JPEW | RP, abelloni: Left a commend on https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14787 I don't know the root cause yet, but it looks like test_dnf_install_from_disk test earlier is stopping some services accidentally | 14:19 |
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| RP | JPEW: some neat debugging there, nice! :) | 14:24 |
| JaMa | frosteyes1: TY | 14:24 |
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| alessioigor | Which are the recommended combination operator? | 14:34 |
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| qschulz | alessioigor: combination operator? | 15:09 |
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| rburton | kanavin: i don't suppose you have a rpm 4.18 upgrade patch floating around do you | 15:34 |
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| RP | rburton: was it released? | 15:40 |
| rburton | ah no its still RC | 15:40 |
| rburton | sorry, misread a bug comment | 15:40 |
| RP | rburton: we will need to upgrade so I did wonder about the rc | 15:41 |
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| ptsneves | i think that ltp and watchdog have DEPENDS on libtirpc but it's usage is disabled. | 15:46 |
| ptsneves | Does anybody know any history on this? | 15:46 |
| ptsneves | if not i will submit a patch removing it | 15:46 |
| RP | ptsneves: the git logs probably have info? | 15:48 |
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| ptsneves | RP: for ltp the disabling is ancient(2014) 2020ba7c48793c2a628d90b63fd91d5c283de5ca. The knob was added to stop using tirpc but the depends was not dropped | 15:56 |
| ptsneves | > +[PATCH] add knob to control whether tirpc support should be checked | 15:56 |
| RP | ptsneves: "tirpc support is broken upstream. in the meantime, allow to disable tirpc." | 15:57 |
| ptsneves | exactly. it has been disabled for some time but DEPENDS remained | 15:57 |
| rburton | it's *possible* that it still needs tirpc to build, even with the option disabled. but yeah, remove the depends and check the output doesn't change. | 15:58 |
| RP | ptsneves: I wonder if it uses it anywhere else? | 15:58 |
| rburton | the key is checking that the output is identical. if its a pointless dependency, the binaries won't change. | 15:58 |
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| RP | ptsneves: we should confirm that it really doesn't use it | 15:58 |
| ptsneves | nevermind. ltp does not have a depends i mixed things :( | 16:01 |
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| RP | cves look to be going crazy on master :( | 16:45 |
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| rburton | i mailed the cpe people about two qemu cves which had bad cpes | 17:01 |
| rburton | three CVEs for the same issue in rpm is annoying | 17:01 |
| RP | rburton: thanks! | 17:01 |
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| kanavin | rburton, no, but I can offer you python 3.11rc1 | 17:15 |
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| Tyaku | Hi, is it possible with systemd to start a service when a specific interface (eth0) is UP ? I tried to put a condition with "sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device" but it pass even if the interface is DOWN. | 18:02 |
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| Tyaku | I also try to put scripts in "/etc/network/if-up.d" folder, but unfortunately they are not executed when interface is up/down. Probably because i am missing a package. | 18:07 |
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| mischief | Tyaku: you can use network-online.target to synchronize services, but you also need to define the condition for 'network-online-ness' (typically via systemd-networkd and networkd-wait-online). this is more of a systemd question than a yocto question though.. | 19:37 |
| mischief | and it's really better if your service is simply resilient to network failures (or auto-restarts on network failure) | 19:37 |
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| Tyaku | The objective is just to set a secondary IPV4 (used for rsyslog) on the network interface eth0 when it is UP | 20:21 |
| Tyaku | Thanks for your response, I used this "/lib/systemd/systemd-networkd-wait-online -i eth0" like in the service file that you have mentioned. | 20:22 |
| Tyaku | And it works like a charm | 20:22 |
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| DvorkinDmitry | hello, I have lines in my kmeta config files: ## CONFIG_XXX=y, case I just wanted to comment this line for future. Is is correct to do so? How whould you recommend to write comment? | 21:13 |
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