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| wyre | rburton, what's the purpose of having all those different recipes for different versions? https://gitlab.com/ensc-groups/bpi-router/de.ensc.bpi-router/-/tree/dunfell-next/meta-core/recipes-asterisk/pjproject | 07:29 |
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| wyre | when I run bitbake pjproject it builds 2.12.1 ... but not sure how should I proceed to build another version 🤔 | 07:29 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 07:37 |
| wyre | hi LetoThe2nd :-) | 07:38 |
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| LetoThe2nd | wyre: if somebody does that, then it is usually because the versions are incompatible, or one is seeing long term support. you can select via PREFERRED_VERSION in your distro | 07:40 |
| wyre | hmmm, I see ... but I guess by default is built the higher version, right? | 07:41 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yes, by default the highest version gets chosen. | 07:43 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:43 |
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| yocton | Hello! | 08:08 |
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| qschulz | wyre: IFF both versions are in the same layer, AND DEFAULT_PREFERENCE is not set to -1 foir example | 09:18 |
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| qschulz | RP: nice article you wrote there :) | 10:53 |
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| RP | qschulz: thanks! I'm still unsure if it was the right thing to publish that or not... | 10:56 |
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| yocton | RP: It will definitely be used to justify my time if I may tip the scale toward "right thing" | 11:00 |
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| RP | yocton: that is good to know :). I wanted to try and make some of the issues more visible, I just hope it doesn't scare people off using the project | 11:02 |
| mcfrisk | link? | 11:04 |
| yocton | I've not considered the "scaring potential users" aspect... | 11:04 |
| yocton | mcfrisk: https://www.linux.com/audience/maintainer-confidential-opportunities-and-challenges-of-the-ubiquitous-but-under-resourced-yocto-project/?utm_source=pocket_reader | 11:04 |
| qschulz | RP: that's a fair worry. But like you said most (if not all?) open source projects are underfunded and understaffed, so I'm not sure what the other alternatives for those scared users would be? | 11:05 |
| yocton | qschulz: +1 | 11:05 |
| qschulz | I don't think Buildroot is doing that much better? what are the other options? | 11:06 |
| RP | qschulz: I did have one large existing member say "oh, we'll just switch to something else then", they didn't tell me what that was | 11:06 |
| qschulz | https://xkcd.com/2347/ is sadly so relevant in so many projects :/ | 11:06 |
| qschulz | RP: mmmmm, from my point of view... do we want those users "using" the project and not caring about it? | 11:08 |
| RP | qschulz: there is that too :) | 11:08 |
| qschulz | I mean sure, most of our users are like this (heck, I'm probably one of those :/) but should we care if they leave without actually investing any effort in it? | 11:08 |
| RP | qschulz: you contribute time which is very valuable | 11:09 |
| qschulz | RP: I see this a bit as customers going into a coffee shop with employees on strike/limited staff and they complain they see the shit that is going on | 11:09 |
| qschulz | and say "we'll bring our business somewhere else" | 11:09 |
| qschulz | I mean, yeah, please do so? | 11:09 |
| RP | qschulz: if we lose members, I end up losing my income | 11:10 |
| qschulz | RP: yeah, mistook "members" for "users" | 11:10 |
| yocton | For the alternative, I've got a customer switching its future product from Yocto to Debian (but it is looks more like a server/IT maintenance project than your traditionnal embedded system) | 11:10 |
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| RP | yocton: debian has pros and cons. Good luck if you ever need to reproduce debian :) | 11:12 |
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| yocton | RP: You may have a new member in the near future ;) | 11:13 |
| RP | :) | 11:13 |
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| mcfrisk | I've now been using yocto for 10 years and following community and mailing list, but seem to miss completely the details of project side build and test automation bits, how things get tested for a release. To help, I'd need to understand and replicate these, in the best case before I even send the patches. Hints to docs, scripts, repos and blog posts welcome.. | 11:16 |
| RP | mcfrisk: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/test-manual/intro.html#yocto-project-autobuilder-overview ? | 11:18 |
| RP | mcfrisk: I did try and start to document it all in the test manual, https://docs.yoctoproject.org/test-manual/intro.html | 11:20 |
| RP | I can't claim it is complete, if you spot things which are missing let me know and I'll see what I can write down to add things | 11:21 |
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| LetoThe2nd | played with dependency track a bit, and the integration layer by bgnetworks. kinda like it! | 11:26 |
| mcfrisk | RP: I hope you can let go and see things also crash and burn a bit. There are many developers and contributors who can and need to step in and do more. My self in included. | 11:29 |
| mcfrisk | how I missed those docs... /facepalm | 11:30 |
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| RP | mcfrisk: lettings things crash/burn is a last resort, I hope it doesn't come to that! | 12:03 |
| mcfrisk | RP: but let the project and technical things burn before you do! In the worst case reducing features, reverting changes is fine. I think we are spoiled by you being always there picking up when things fall apart. | 12:06 |
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| LetoThe2nd | out of curiousity - loading a sbom from an up to date kirkstone build gives me quite a high vulnerability score for curl. due to the host one? or where does it actually come from? | 12:16 |
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| rburton | LetoThe2nd: loading the sbom into what | 12:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: dependency track | 12:41 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: and that is doing cve analysis? | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | obviously :-) | 12:43 |
| rburton | if you can tell what its reporting you can see if its just looking at the version and not considering https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/tree/meta/recipes-support/curl/curl?h=kirkstone | 12:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: yep, that seems accurate. | 12:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | e.g. reporting based on version. | 12:44 |
| rburton | action for you: find out how to tell it that we've fixed cves and how to embed that in the spdx | 12:44 |
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| LetoThe2nd | rburton: hehe, first this is cyclone dx - and second, my action item usually is "how do i tell people about that". | 12:44 |
| RP | mcfrisk: I'm trying my best not to burn out. I think I worry that if things did destabilise, the work in putting things back together would be even worse, I think I fear that. | 12:48 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: tell them then. from a glance their format has a way of saying "this vuln is fixed". | 12:49 |
| rburton | and our metadata has that information | 12:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: kthx! | 12:49 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: https://github.com/bgnetworks/meta-dependencytrack/issues/2 | 12:49 |
| mcfrisk | AFAIK, there is no standard way to add patched or ignored CVE to SPDX... Took a long time to explain that to a lot of people, that SPDX does not solve CVE patching and tracking | 12:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | exactly that I am playing around with. | 12:50 |
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| rburton | LetoThe2nd: wow the 'sbom' generation in that layer is really incredibly basic | 12:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: just discovered it when looking for things to do once you actually have an sbom. | 12:53 |
| rburton | its no more than a list of pn/pv | 12:55 |
| mcfrisk | in a galaxy far away, a security department required SPDXes for all products, then started filing bug reports about old SW versions possible impacted by CVEs... rejected all tickets by saying CVE patches have been applied and CVE reports are clean. Point to an actual unpatched, not-ignored CVE and we talk again. Never heard back. | 12:56 |
| landgraf | abelloni: Hi. Should I close this one: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14346 untill we have futher occurences (hopefully we'll not) | 12:57 |
| abelloni | sure | 12:57 |
| landgraf | done | 12:59 |
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| RP | landgraf: thanks for working on that one! | 13:11 |
| mcfrisk | RP: it is ok to reduce features, supported configurations etc. It's ok that you say this out and require someone else, paid or not, to take over. | 13:18 |
| RP | mcfrisk: in principle that is nice, in practise it doesn't work out that way, not least due to the ripple/time lag effects :/ | 13:23 |
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| Crofton | is JPEW aware of teh CVE patching to spdx hole? | 14:16 |
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| rburton | Crofton: LetoThe2nd's thing isn't spdx | 14:42 |
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| landgraf | looks like systemd+musl is broken again :( | 14:47 |
| JPEW | Crofton: No? | 14:47 |
| JPEW | Oh, yes | 14:48 |
| JPEW | That is a known problem. There is no standardized way (in SPDX 2.2 anyway) to report patched or ignored CVEs | 14:48 |
| JPEW | We add a non-standard way in our SPDX, but obviously not ideal. | 14:49 |
| JPEW | This should be fixed in the SPDX 3.0 | 14:49 |
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| RP | kanavin: around? Looks like virgl has a problem with pkgconfig from buildtools if you fancy fixing that? | 14:52 |
| kanavin | RP: sure | 14:55 |
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| RP | kanavin: I've just posted my findings on the mailing list, it explains why we started seeing virgl failures on hosts which used to work. It must have stopped when we enabled buildtools there | 15:00 |
| RP | kanavin: not sure how to get the search path from the host pkg-config | 15:01 |
| kanavin | RP: I'll take a look, I'm in a meeting just now | 15:01 |
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| RP | kanavin: in fact looking at the paths I pulled out of pkgconfig, it is totally broken atm in buildtools, it isn't relocating correctly | 15:02 |
| RP | kanavin: np, I just thought I'd better write down what I'd found out somewhere | 15:03 |
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| kanavin | RP: so do I need to do something, or will you fix the relocation? | 15:21 |
| kanavin | (the last two messages make me unsure :) | 15:22 |
| RP | kanavin: I've just debugged the problem, I've not started on any kind of solution | 15:23 |
| abelloni | RP: I was going to open a bug for this issue, should I ? | 15:24 |
| RP | abelloni: probably, yes. I don't think anyone has a fix immediately ready | 15:24 |
| kanavin | RP: I have an idea for a fix | 15:27 |
| kanavin | RP: runqemu runs pkg-config thusly: | 15:27 |
| kanavin | dripath = subprocess.check_output("PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:$PATH pkg-config --variable=dridriverdir dri", shell=True, env=env) | 15:27 |
| kanavin | e.g. bypassing the buildtools | 15:27 |
| kanavin | but the test doesn't do that, and so pkg-config from buildtools gets in the way | 15:28 |
| kanavin | should we rather bring the test in sync with runqemu? | 15:28 |
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| RP | kanavin: that would fix it. I suspect we should file a bug against buildtools as well though as it seems rather broken there | 15:29 |
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| kanavin | RP: right, I'll make a patch | 15:31 |
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| ecdhe | I'm building a recipe. My do_fetch isn't running when I run the recipe. 'do_fetch' is listed when I run `bitbake -c listtasks myrecipe` | 17:14 |
| ecdhe | do_install runs but fails because do_compile and do_fetch don't run before it (no logs for them.) | 17:14 |
| RP | kanavin: thanks! | 17:15 |
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| RP | ecdhe: install should depend on compile which depends on configure which depends on etc. Did you remove some tasks? | 17:16 |
| ecdhe | RP I have no remove calls | 17:16 |
| RP | ecdhe: can we see the recipe? | 17:17 |
| rburton | ecdhe: it might not run do_compile because its already run before | 17:17 |
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| rburton | ecdhe: if you do things like mv files in do_install, it will fail if it re-runs because they don't exist anymore | 17:18 |
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| ecdhe | Is there a command I can use to see which tasks within a recipe depend on others? | 17:19 |
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| rburton | bitbake -g will write the full dependency tree | 17:20 |
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| ecdhe | RP: https://bpa.st/T7VLU | 17:25 |
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| ecdhe | When I look in poky/build/tmp/work/<myarch>/myrecipe/<pv>/git | 17:26 |
| ecdhe | I see that no files were fetched | 17:27 |
| rburton | not sure inheriting rm_work in a recipe will work | 17:27 |
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| rburton | you can't have versions in DEPENDS | 17:28 |
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| rburton | and that PROVIDES is redundant if its the recipe name | 17:28 |
| rburton | i'd do bitbake myrecipe -C unpack and see what happens | 17:28 |
| rburton | but i wonder if rm_work is breaking as its not meant to be included per-recipe, afaik | 17:29 |
| RP | I was wondering about rm_work too | 17:29 |
| RP | try removing that | 17:29 |
| RP | rburton: you can have a version in DEPENDS, it just doesn't do anything | 17:29 |
| ecdhe | `bitbake -c listtasks myrecipe` didn't show rm_work until I inherited that | 17:30 |
| rburton | ecdhe: you usually inherit it in local.conf or similar | 17:31 |
| RP | ecdhe: normally you'd inherit it globally from local.conf | 17:31 |
| ecdhe | my local.conf doesn't contain an inherit or "rm_work" syntax | 17:34 |
| RP | ecdhe: INHERIT += "rm_work" | 17:35 |
| rburton | this assumes you want rm_work | 17:35 |
| RP | rburton: we should probably move rm_work to classes-global | 17:37 |
| rburton | yes | 17:37 |
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| ecdhe | I added rm-work because I wanted to be able to clear the recipe out out to force a rebuild. I didn't understand that it would automatically remove the source as part of the build process | 17:47 |
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| rburton | yeah that's not what rm_work is for | 17:48 |
| rburton | if you want to force a rebuild, then force the rebuild. bitbake -C unpack recipename is good for that | 17:48 |
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| moto-timo | does anybody know how to tell kas to build an sdk? | 19:28 |
| moto-timo | (from the kas yml file, not from command line) | 19:28 |
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| moto-timo | oh "task: " | 19:29 |
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| abelloni | khem: I have busybox-1.36.0-r0 do_package_qa: QA Issue: busybox: ELF binary /bin/busybox.nosuid has relocations in .text [textrel] with your patch applied | 22:10 |
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