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| mcfrisk | cleansstate is slower than a rebuild, I find this odd | 06:30 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 06:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 06:39 |
| PhoenixMage | It is my personal opinion there is no such thing | 06:39 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ? | 06:56 |
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| PhoenixMage | I am not a morning person | 07:09 |
| PhoenixMage | Hence to such thing as a good morning | 07:09 |
| PhoenixMage | no | 07:09 |
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| dacav | Hi. Is there a way to supply extra flags for a certain machine only? e.g EXTRA_OECMAKE:foo += "-DOPTION=value", while keeping a common EXTRA_OECMAKE definition? | 10:37 |
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| LetoThe2nd | dacav: thats exactly what machine overrides are for. it works exactly as you guessed: EXTRA_OECMAKELappend:raspberrypi3 = " whatever" | 11:04 |
| dacav | LetoThe2nd: Weird: in my case it seems to replace EXTRA_OECMAKE completely | 11:06 |
| dacav | I had to resort to a temporary variable with the common part | 11:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | dacav: look closer, theres an :append hidden in there. though i might have gotten the order wrong. | 11:06 |
| dacav | I noticed the append. I use +=, but I've tried with append earlier | 11:08 |
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| rburton | overrides and += don't work | 11:23 |
| rburton | if you override, you need to use append | 11:23 |
| rburton | (modern bitbake will tell you this) | 11:23 |
| * JaMa still fighting with patchelf and loosing :/ | 11:28 | |
| dacav | Wow, thanks rburton | 11:32 |
| dacav | any good reason to use +=, or should I just stick to :append? | 11:33 |
| JaMa | += is still fine for non-conditional appends to space separated variables like DEPENDS | 11:35 |
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| JaMa | :append is more difficult to "overwrite" e.g. if .bbclass uses DEPENDS:append, then as benefit it doesn't matter if you inherit it before or after DEPENDS, but in rare cases where you need to undo :append (e.g. removing a patch file from SRC_URI:append, because you've already applied it in your fork, simple assignment to SRC_URI in your .bbappend won't overwrite it and SRC_URI:remove = "that-applied.patch" | 11:38 |
| JaMa | also isn't nice | 11:38 |
| JaMa | so it depends on the use case :) | 11:38 |
| dacav | Thanks JaMa. I've to say I'm not really fond of bitbake's language, but it makes sense. | 11:40 |
| kanavin | dacav, we all struggle with some aspects of it, but it's very difficult to improve in a way that doesn't break everything | 11:40 |
| dacav | Yes, I can immagine | 11:41 |
| dacav | Actually, given the complexity level, I think yocto is quite good | 11:42 |
| kanavin | dacav, direct sdk is when you don't actually produce a separate SDK archive, but simply use bitbake to obtain a SDK environment | 11:42 |
| kanavin | this is relatively new, you need langdale or mickledore to use it | 11:42 |
| dacav | I can't picture it :) So the regular SDK has the `populate_sdk` task, and you get the .sh to install. How about the direct? | 11:44 |
| kanavin | dacav, https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#two-ways-to-install-the-extensible-sdk | 11:44 |
| kanavin | ugh, formatting in that section can be better. but you get the idea :) | 11:45 |
| dacav | kanavin: oh, but that's only for the eSDK. Thanks for the info | 11:48 |
| dacav | I'd like to experiment some, as soon as job pressure permits it | 11:48 |
| kanavin | dacav, regular sdk is just an archive where all information about where things in it came from is lost | 11:48 |
| kanavin | so you can't update its contents partially, unless you do it with custom scripts that only you understand | 11:49 |
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| tomzy_0[m] | Hello | 12:22 |
| tomzy_0[m] | Yocto DevDay is upon us :) are there some plans for not-so-official chatting after the presentations? | 12:23 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: ^ | 12:24 |
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| kanavin | rburton, LetoThe2nd we can mingle with linux-rt people, many of which are my colleagues https://eoss2023.sched.com/event/1LerH | 12:31 |
| kanavin | you are allowed to ask jogness and tglx if 2023 is the year of mainline preempt-rt :) | 12:32 |
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| LetoThe2nd | There is a very high probability that there will be some form of social after YPDD. But given the fact that it is unofficial, there cannot be official planning for it by definition.😁 | 12:36 |
| kanavin | we'll just walk in the most promising (quality drinks and food wise) direction from the conference venue | 12:37 |
| matthias_de | Good day everyone. I have a question regarding the esdk setup. For Mickledore there seems to be a way of setting up the esdk without the need of an installer (https://docs.yoctoproject.org/4.2.1/sdk-manual/extensible.html#setting-up-the-extensible-sdk-environment-directly-in-a-yocto-build). I think, this is what I want. However I am tied to | 12:38 |
| matthias_de | kirkstone as some layers i am using are not having mickledore support. Is there a way to use the esdk like this in kirkstone somehow? | 12:38 |
| kanavin | matthias_de, there is not, unless you want to backport the needed changes into a custom fork of kirkstone | 12:38 |
| kanavin | or ask those 'some layers' to maintain themselves properly | 12:39 |
| matthias_de | Well, the layers are the ones coming from TI (meta-arago/meta-ti). They do have the layers in master but there is no mickledore branch. I was reluctant to go to master as the dedicated branches seemed to be more stable, but maybe this is what I need to do | 12:49 |
| matthias_de | Sorry, I meant: They do support mickledore in master, but there is no dedicated mickledore branch | 12:50 |
| kanavin | matthias_de, that may only mean that there is no need to make a separate branch just yet. mickledore is very new. | 12:57 |
| kanavin | there are other layers which do 'lazy' branching in a similar manner | 12:57 |
| kanavin | RP, I tested qemux86-ptest with current poky master, and both strace and lttng fail there as well https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/141/builds/4 | 12:59 |
| kanavin | glib as well | 12:59 |
| kanavin | so they've regressed at some point, and that perhaps needs fixing first | 13:00 |
| RP | kanavin: I have a fix for lttng-tools, I've been discussing that. For strace, it is accept() vs accept4() in the logs, probably a libc issue | 13:00 |
| kanavin | RP: ah, accept vs accept4 is because we build glibc in a way that uses 'best available' kernel APIs, and no other distro does, so strace is oblivious to the issue | 13:01 |
| kanavin | (OLDEST_KERNEL setting) | 13:01 |
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| JaMa | RP: should we run patchelf-uninative multiple times on the same binary (when there are multiple hardlinks to it?) chrpath and strip seems to run only once per binary, but uninative_changeinterp doesn't handle that and repeated calls to patchelf result in different binaries | 13:16 |
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| adrian_ | matthias_de: we are using the new SDK with kirkstone. It's one commit which needs to be cherry-picked, if I remember correctly: 2e48d588bb980a1b8ede11275e2dd0602cdd6917 | 13:22 |
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| matthias_de | adrian_ That would be great. Let me look at this commit. | 13:27 |
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| RP | kanavin: can we file a bug with strace ? | 13:36 |
| RP | JaMa: that is an interesting question. Perhaps we should fix patchelf to check the path it is changing to ? | 13:36 |
| RP | JaMa: it is meant to be harmless to do that and there is clearly a bug in patchelf :( | 13:37 |
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| JaMa | RP: will try that, it's one of my leads to uninative-4.0 breakage, but still cannot reproduce identically broken binary as populate_sysroot does, so maybe something else influences it as well | 13:43 |
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| AndreRicardo | Hello, I'm trying to keep the machine-id even when software update runs. This is so that journald logs are not lost between updates. | 13:52 |
| AndreRicardo | So I've followed this answer https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68744130/is-there-a-way-to-create-a-link-for-the-machine-id-without-modifying-yocto/68779616#68779616 | 13:52 |
| AndreRicardo | but I'm getting a FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/andre/yocto/ltf-yoctotmp/tmp/work/vetscan_rpi4-poky-linux-gnueabi/ltf-dev-image/development-r1/rootfs/etc/machine-id' | 13:53 |
| AndreRicardo | seems that it creates a link to a non existent file on my machine | 13:53 |
| AndreRicardo | ls -al /home/andre/yocto/ltf-yoctotmp/tmp/work/vetscan_rpi4-poky-linux-gnueabi/ltf-dev-image/development-r1/rootfs/etc/machine-id | 13:53 |
| AndreRicardo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 andre andre 25 Jun 22 15:39 /home/andre/yocto/ltf-yoctotmp/tmp/work/vetscan_rpi4-poky-linux-gnueabi/ltf-dev-image/development-r1/rootfs/etc/machine-id -> /var/local/etc/machine-id | 13:53 |
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| JaMa | RP: not calling patchelf-uninative at all (because in mkfs.ext4 case the interpreter is already set correctly, seems to help) will add it in my build to confirm that and then will follow-up with the issue ticket in upstream | 14:03 |
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| AndreRicardo | Example after running software update, the machine-id changed and now have two entries in /var/log/journal/ | 14:10 |
| AndreRicardo | vs-ltf-B-13:~# ls /var/log/journal/ | 14:10 |
| AndreRicardo | 2ccb95db5389462ba6656f3db7b55113 9e0848e0f2394eef96feca74f7b0d3b6 | 14:10 |
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| RP | kanavin: https://github.com/strace/strace/issues/260 | 14:17 |
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| roussinm | I finally had time to submit my patch to have -src package present in the nativesdk, https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/183233, but the host-contaminated error, I just don't get it. The user is the same everywhere, maybe the qa error shouldn't show up for this case? | 14:37 |
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| moto-timo | khem: I had to make the decision whether to bring the board (knowing I would not have much time to work on it)... I chose to not bring the board to PRG. Next time. | 15:12 |
| khem | ok no worries | 15:13 |
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| khem | perhaps someone at conference will surely carry one | 15:16 |
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| moto-timo | khem: I did bring the controller and display ;) | 15:30 |
| moto-timo | Call to arms! | 15:30 |
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| LetoThe2nd | moto-timo: call to BFG! | 15:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | moto-timo: i am carrying a beagleplay to demo, but it will run chocolate-doom in demo mode only. :-( | 15:38 |
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| kanavin | RP: thanks, the bug description is fine | 15:50 |
| kanavin | I fell asleep meanwhile :D | 15:50 |
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| RP | kanavin: I've updated master-next with patches for lttng-tools. Upstream have said they might be willing to make those backports into stable releases for us | 15:59 |
| RP | kanavin: I've changed the "disable ptest" strace patch to disabling 64 bit time since I think strace is more appropriate that way until they fix it | 15:59 |
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| RP | kanavin: that takes the regressions down to just the current ones | 16:00 |
| RP | s/current/existing/ | 16:00 |
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| kanavin | RP: right, which begs the question of adding qemux86-ptest to a-full? | 16:00 |
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| RP | kanavin: idealistically great idea. In reality, without more people helping work on these things... | 16:01 |
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| kanavin | RP: I can help get it to a point where it passes | 16:02 |
| RP | kanavin: who deals with the intermittent failures week in week out though? :/ | 16:02 |
| RP | kanavin: it is close to passing, just the strace issue and the glib-networking one is likely the known problem we're chasing :/ | 16:03 |
| kanavin | RP: strace issue can probably be solved with a patch that converts accept to accept4 in expected test output | 16:03 |
| kanavin | not sure why it won't show on 64 bit ptest, needs to be looked at | 16:04 |
| kanavin | it might be because glibc only takes it into use on 32 bit | 16:05 |
| kanavin | as for intermittent failures, I can look into those too. it's all going to be filed under y2038 work. | 16:07 |
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| kanavin | 'stabilize the CI' | 16:07 |
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| RP | kanavin: the 32 bit old syscall APIs are a bit weird, there is no accept syscall, it goes via sockname() and hence a glibc wrapper. 64 bit x86 probably has the syscall | 16:11 |
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| rburton | brain fart: file mtime etc is UTC, right | 17:03 |
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| rfs613 | rburton: how are you accessing it? via stat(2) or similar call, you get 'struct timespec' which are UTC. But if you use stat(1) command, it will display those timestamps in the current system timezone. You can set TZ=UTC to see the difference. | 17:35 |
| rfs613 | s/current system timezone/local time/ | 17:35 |
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| rburton | rfs613: os.path.getmtime so stat() | 18:30 |
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| rfs613 | rburton: hmm, "this method returns a floating-point value" ... so Python is evidenly doing some conversion. Maybe just the obvious one... or maybe not... hard to know ;-) | 18:48 |
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| rfs613 | but some quick tests seems to confirm it is UTC | 18:55 |
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| tgamblin | Has anyone encountered broken pipe and/or "sed: couldn't flush stdout: resource temporarily unavailable" errors when trying to run the python3-ptests in a local build, and know if there's specific qemuparams or local.conf changes needed to get around that? | 19:25 |
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| tgamblin | s/python3-ptests/python3 ptests/ | 19:29 |
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| rburton | tgamblin: is that with a ptest that runs sed on the output? I wrote some code so you don’t need to do that if it uses unittest or pytest. The actual python3 ptest are a special case though right now. | 19:54 |
| tgamblin | rburton: It looks that way. I was looking at https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13298 but the ptests fail due to issues with sed and stdout before any results are actually compiled | 19:55 |
| tgamblin | It works OK if I use testimage, but then I don't see the results | 19:57 |
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| RP | tgamblin: I've never seen that or possibly not tried it | 22:13 |
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