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| Guest47 | basic question , when you do a bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel, where is the resulting '.config' stored? | 00:08 |
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| Guest47 | never mind, got it | 00:30 |
| Guest47 | ;-) | 00:30 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 09:40 |
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| mckoan | LetoThe2nd: hey | 09:45 |
| Xogium | hiya | 09:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | the build systems track has been accepted to LPC! https://lpc.events/event/18/abstracts/ | 09:48 |
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| c-thaler | Hi all. Anyone knows why "require conf/machine/${MACHINE}-extra.conf" works in "local.conf" but not in the "layer.conf" of my custom layer? In the "layer.conf", ${MACHINE} is not expanded. | 10:02 |
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| LetoThe2nd | c-thaler: layer.conf gets parsed earlier and per layer, AFAIK so its not in the build context. | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | c-thaler: hiding things in there is a really bad practise anyways. | 10:05 |
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| c-thaler | Yes, you're right. Just saw it in the include history, sorry. | 10:27 |
| c-thaler | So it's a better practice to keep this "require" statement in the "local.conf"? | 10:27 |
| c-thaler | My idea was to move as many details as possible into my custom layer to keep the "local.conf" as lean as possible. | 10:27 |
| kanavin | c-thaler, for that you need to define a distro and/or a machine | 10:28 |
| kanavin | local.conf ideally should contain only DISTRO and MACHINE assignments | 10:29 |
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| c-thaler | kanavin ok, thanks. I will look into that. | 10:42 |
| rburton | as kanavin said, the solution to "there's too much in my local.conf" is "create your own distro". simply adding a layer (so layer.conf gets passed) should be a no-op, so adding things to layer.conf is bad practise | 10:45 |
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| c-thaler | rburton I've already added a layer. I'm just looking for a clean way to override a few things of the BSP layer I'm using (mostly UBOOT stuff). | 11:00 |
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| qschulz | I have to support stupid vendor kernels (5.10; and maybe 44.4) on Scarthgap... I see that I should be able to lower OLDEST_KERNEL to something... well lower. Question: how stupid is it to have it in the machine conf file? | 11:16 |
| qschulz | considering that this touches glibc, I assume a distro would be preferred? | 11:16 |
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| qschulz | don't want to have some weird leftover between machines with OLDEST_KERNEL set to 5.15 and some with 4.4 there | 11:17 |
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| kanavin | qschulz, OLDEST_KERNEL belongs in machine.conf for sure | 11:43 |
| kanavin | it's an indication to glibc about what kernel APIs are safe to enable | 11:43 |
| kanavin | at some point in scarthgap cycle that was raised so that we'd use latest and greatest by default, and particularly 64 bit time apis on 32 bit targets | 11:44 |
| kanavin | which only appeared in 5.something | 11:45 |
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| kanavin | (no idea why glibc can't simply decide at runtime) | 11:49 |
| kanavin | to me glibc is the poster child of 'over-engineered gnu monstrosity' | 11:50 |
| qschulz | kanavin: but isn't the glibc machine agnostic (but not architecture agnostic)? so if i have two machines with the same arch, one with OLDEST_KERNEL at 5.15 (as default in Scarthgap) and one with 4.4... will it not mess my TMPDIR (I don't think it would mess with the sstate though) | 11:52 |
| qschulz | well, I don't know... it just feels wrong but it's just a gut feeling :/ | 11:53 |
| kanavin | qschulz, I can't investigate now. it's on you. | 11:53 |
| kanavin | you might put it in distro then, and make it arch-specific | 11:58 |
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| qschulz | kanavin: yup, thanks! | 12:13 |
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| olani | kanavin: As I understand it, glibc will try the latest and greatest way to talk to the kernel and then fall back to earlier versions. But no futher than OLDEST_KERNEL. See https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Configuring-and-compiling.html | 12:23 |
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| olani | kanavin: But this discussion contradicts that, so I guess I was fooled https://lore.kernel.org/buildroot/56AAA5BE.2050306@mind.be/T/#mb857606f71494e72260c738838cb726542b4b8f5 | 12:27 |
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| qschulz | olani: https://lore.kernel.org/buildroot/20160202165649.GE7732@vapier.lan/ | 12:47 |
| qschulz | (same thread, just a bit later in it :) ) | 12:47 |
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| olani | qschulz: Thanks, that makes more sense to me. | 13:23 |
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| qschulz | though... the example given by kanavin is doing something different (I think) | 13:28 |
| qschulz | if enable-kernel is > 5.1, __ASSUME_TIME64_SYSCALLS is defined | 13:28 |
| olani | qschulz: But that doesn't mean they wont be used before then, right? | 13:29 |
| olani | qschulz: I think some of the syscalls kanavin talks about fall in the sendmmsg catagory anyway which means OOLDEST_KERNEL=5.15 is motivated. | 13:30 |
| qschulz | olani: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/timer_gettime.c#l36 | 13:30 |
| qschulz | so it won't fallback | 13:31 |
| qschulz | Considering this change has been in the oe-core tree for one year, the only thing I can complain about is me not looking at it earlier anyway :) | 13:32 |
| qschulz | (i'm not disputing the fact that it's motivated (yet?) BTW) | 13:32 |
| qschulz | i know too little to dispute that fact | 13:33 |
| olani | But it would fall back if OLDDEST_KERNEL was < 5.1 and __ASSUME_TIME64_SYSCALLS was not set. | 13:33 |
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| qschulz | yes but this very example contradicts the mail on the buildroot ML | 13:34 |
| olani | The one I linked to, yes. | 13:34 |
| qschulz | ah no, i just cannot read | 13:34 |
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| olani | It's not trivial code :) | 13:34 |
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| olani | I'm not worried about the settings in OE, but about our settings. We have OLDEST_KERNEL = 4.14 because we need it for some platforms. | 13:35 |
| qschulz | olani: I'm worried because I have to support < 5.15 kernels for now :) | 13:36 |
| qschulz | and I kinda want to know what the ramifications are to know where to put this thing and still benefit from as much sstate-cache as we can get :) | 13:36 |
| olani | Yeah, same. | 13:37 |
| olani | Our problem is that we have new platforms that should use OLDEST_KERNEL > 5.15 to get all of the time64 goodness, but they have the same TUNE as some old platforms that do not have that modern kernel versions. | 13:38 |
| legraps | Hi, using devtool, I can develop under .../build/workspace/sources/linux-stable. However, trying to work on a devicetree fails because the modifications are apparently expected in another tree .../build/tmp/work/<machine>-<distro>-linux/linux-stable. How can I convince bitbake/devtool to sync these folders? | 13:38 |
| qschulz | yeah, for me at the moment it's only for two products with the same TUNE so that shouldn't be too bad. The 4.4 kernel though... that's for a platform I can build an upstream kernel for... so maybe I should stop trying to provide this old broken vendor kernel then :) | 13:39 |
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| vmeson | kanavin: khem: ~-6% bloated executable size (nodejs) when using -fvisibility-inlines-hidden | 15:26 |
| vmeson | see email for data. | 15:27 |
| vmeson | Re: [OE-core] [PATCH v2 07/11] kea: Remove -fvisibility-inlines-hidden from C++ flags https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/199104 | 15:29 |
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| khem | RP:another patchlet we need for WORKDIR->UNPACKDIR in core - https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/commit/?h=yoe/mut&id=fe147bba21f5bf92848694a159cd3c7f287e2996 | 16:26 |
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| RP | khem: thanks, squashed in! | 17:02 |
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| khem | qschulz: oldest kernel can be very old and it will still work fine with latest glibc and latest kernel, we have taken the liberty to enforce some policies to ensure OE defaults we have chosen usually. So if you dont care about those e.g. 64bit time_t on 32bit machines etc. then you might want to set it to lowest of kernels you want to support 4.4 in your case | 19:07 |
| khem | for some newer architectures it is different e.g. for RISCV it is 4.15 when kernel ABI became stable and Aarch64 might have older and ofcouse x86 will be oldest so, if you are building for RISCV and chose it to be lower than 4.15 it surely will be a problem | 19:14 |
| khem | here is a list from glibc master thats valid - https://snips.sh/f/o3nlh0Poj8 | 19:14 |
| khem | 3.2.0 is oldest - https://github.com/kraj/glibc/blob/master/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/configure.ac#L36 | 19:23 |
| khem | 5.4 is youngest - RISCV32 | 19:25 |
| khem | oh 5.19.0 for loongarch hmm | 19:25 |
| khem | RP:btw. I am seeing mariadb-native failing - https://snips.sh/f/4tz8Lpr9nT | 19:29 |
| khem | I wonder if cmake.bbclass needs some tweaking for WORKDIR | 19:30 |
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| khem | nm, I have accidentally changed workdir to unpackdir in mariadb | 19:34 |
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| khem | we use https://github.com/rdfa/librdfa as test for crops and devtool but the code in this repo hasn't been updated in 10 years and it now is failing to compile with GCC14, I am inclined to use some other sample project for this test which is more active perhaps so if you know a good c/c++ project using autotools and does not have many dependencies | 20:12 |
| khem | other option is to fork it and fix it | 20:12 |
| khem | maybe https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Hello-World.html#Hello-World is good enough for what we are testing there | 20:13 |
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| RP | khem: that looks at a glance to be a WORKDIR reference changed to UNPACKDIR that shouldn't be | 21:28 |
| RP | ah, you worked that out :) | 21:28 |
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