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| ak77 | morning. | 08:41 |
| ak77 | I am looking for a way,... SRC_URI file:// but i need to place it somewhere specific, aka destination dir of local file operation, how to solve this ? | 08:42 |
| ak77 | dest, ha? | 08:42 |
| ak77 | nvm | 08:48 |
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| ak77 | anyone dealt with rust crates that reference git+https:// instead of crates.io ? hmm. what about if there is a multipackage repository ? | 09:38 |
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| ak77 | ok. that should work. cargo_common.bbclass, adds [patch.*] sections to ${CARGO_HOME}/config ... but only checks for git: in scarthgap and for git: and gitsm: in styhead. do such things get backported ? (scarthgap being LTS) | 10:56 |
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| ak77 | yeah. it doesn't ... anyone uses this git:// name=a;dest=a/b for rust multi-package rust repositories ? | 12:04 |
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| ak77 | how do I change function when it's set with do_configure[postfuncs] += "cargo_common_do_patch_paths" ? I want to replace this function with my own | 12:23 |
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| rburton | ak77: name your function cargo_common_do_patch_paths | 12:34 |
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| macpijan | Hi. I was trying to gain ownership of the layer added to the index (https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex) by a former employee. I have access to their e-mail address, but the account is locked and could not recover password. It says I should contact administrator about that. I cannot find on this site to whom I should reach out. Do you guys | 13:02 |
| macpijan | have any hints? | 13:02 |
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| rburton | macpijan: i have admin and might be able to help, can you email ross.burton@arm.com the layer name and relevant contact details | 13:05 |
| rburton | ideally from an email address that demonstrates why you should take it over | 13:05 |
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| macpijan | Thanks! I'll reach to yo uvia e-mail then. | 13:07 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: https://docs.mender.io/overview/compatibility#mender-client-and-yocto-project-version I believe you want to update the docs to reflect support for Scarthgap? | 13:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: yup the update is already in the pipeline: https://docs.mender.io/development/overview/compatibility | 13:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | (more specifically: https://docs.mender.io/development/overview/compatibility#mender-client-and-yocto-project-version) | 13:16 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: :+1: | 13:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: unexpected visit of you there :-) | 13:18 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: research for now into what we could be using, but admittedly for a very VERY corner case of update SW | 13:20 |
| qschulz | (which is: initial flashing straight out of factory) | 13:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: hehe. been there, done that :-) | 13:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: and yeah, its actually a common use case for us, "upon first power on + network connection, install software" but I strongly advise to not do it :-) | 13:21 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: mmmmmm why not :) | 13:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: bad user experience. you unpack something and then have to wait minutes or even hours until it is functional. | 13:24 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: to be clear, we're HW+BSP vendors, so essentially our issue is that what we put out of our factory usually needs to be reflashed by the customer in their own production facilities | 13:24 |
| qschulz | so we would essentially only have U-Boot flashed, and then they would boot something from an external storage medium/network that would then flash the eMMC | 13:24 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: oh yeah, I wouldn't do that for actual users :) | 13:25 |
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| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: why not have u-boot plus a provisioning system in an initramfs flashed? | 13:25 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: because we do SoMs | 13:25 |
| qschulz | so we don't know in what it's going to be inserted | 13:25 |
| qschulz | meaning, different DTS+kernel probably | 13:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: yeah okay. | 13:26 |
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| qschulz | but yes, that's the plan, have them boot an initramfs with *some* SW mechanism that takes some image somewhere and flash it | 13:26 |
| qschulz | So question is: would any existing SW update mechanism support this or should we just make our own | 13:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: been there, done that, or at least forms of it. | 13:27 |
| qschulz | while we keep the **actual** SW update to proper SW update mechanisms (i.e. different pieces of SW for initial flash and update) | 13:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: there's not much magic in baking an update client plus some clever configuration into an initramfs. | 13:27 |
| qschulz | (I'll NOT roll out my own SW updater, do not worry :) ) | 13:28 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: yeah.. that was my thought as well, but if we can actually already make use of an existing SW updater, then we can gather knowledge about it, make maintainance "easier" and also reuse it for actual SW updating | 13:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: I've done this as very preliminary PoCs with Mender, but I don't see why it should be hard for SWupdate, rauc, or whatever the standard, main client is. | 13:30 |
| qschulz | RAUC absolutely expects a partition table to already exist | 13:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | meh | 13:30 |
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| qschulz | SWUpdate seems to be fine creating one, BUT it expects to generate the SWU file from a build system (though there exists swupdate-generator now for creating the file by hand) | 13:31 |
| qschulz | and also, limited to 4GB because that's the limit of the CPIO format apparently | 13:31 |
| qschulz | and mender I don't know, I'm going through the docs for now :) | 13:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | also kinda meh. | 13:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: so well, Mender happily runs as a service without any boot loader or storage integration whatever, and will flash considerably more than 4GB. | 13:32 |
| qschulz | yeah, I've seen you use tarballs, so not limited by the file format of the container for the binaries :) | 13:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | its a slightly unusual but not super niche use case. a customized "Update Module" (that's what we call it) would be required, plus a little beating into initramfs. Beyond that, no problem. | 13:34 |
| shoragan | qschulz, you could use RAUC full custom update for that: https://rauc.readthedocs.io/en/latest/using.html#full-custom-update | 13:34 |
| qschulz | shoragan: yeah but at that point, what's the benefit of using RAUC at all? | 13:34 |
| shoragan | qschulz, exactly :) | 13:35 |
| shoragan | im my experience, there's not much overlap between the initial factory installation and updates in the field | 13:35 |
| qschulz | yeah that was my gut feeling too | 13:35 |
| qschulz | but you know, **hopes** | 13:35 |
| LetoThe2nd | shoragan: holiday project: let wrap memfault around Mender around RAUC around SWupdate! ;-) | 13:36 |
| shoragan | LetoThe2nd, ahrg :) | 13:36 |
| qschulz | I'll probably end up doing an initramfs with a shell wrapper around bmap-tool and be done with it :D | 13:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | shoragan: there shall be Glühwein involved! | 13:36 |
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| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: please not another "its just a shell script" solution. | 13:37 |
| shoragan | qschulz, if you don't trust the factory and need authentication and/or encryption during provisioning, that changes things somewhat and building on an existing updater may be useful. | 13:37 |
| qschulz | shoragan: that's true, BUT | 13:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | shoragan: a.k.a. "please not another shell script" | 13:38 |
| qschulz | we own the factory and it's literally downstairs, and what the customer is actually going to do with their own factory... don't know | 13:38 |
| shoragan | qschulz, for initial provisioning in a trusted environment, I find using fastboot (via USB or Ethernet) very useful, as it needs only a installed bootloader | 13:38 |
| qschulz | the point being to just provide **something** | 13:38 |
| qschulz | if they want something fancy, we could probably do it or they do it themselves | 13:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: well, I trust your expertise from hereon :-) | 13:39 |
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| qschulz | shoragan: yeah I would simply use PXE there :) | 13:39 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: what's wrong with yet-another-shell-script solution???? | 13:39 |
| qschulz | I'll make a yet-another-python-module solution instead then | 13:40 |
| qschulz | shoragan: but PXE requires some amount of setup at the client (and a reliable network, etc...) | 13:41 |
| qschulz | so a USB-stick solution is also sometimes the most fool-proof solution | 13:42 |
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| shoragan | qschulz, yes. and fastboot is available on many distros and everywhere else via the android SDK tools | 13:42 |
| shoragan | qschulz, you could also configure only a single RAUC slot for the full eMMC. and a "noop" bootloader. then you get one chance to update from a running initramfs (perhaps from a well-known local webserver) | 13:43 |
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| qschulz | shoragan: yeah I have some other ideas as well | 13:43 |
| qschulz | meta-rockchip for example makes use of systemd-repartd on first boot to create the partitions | 13:44 |
| qschulz | before rauc starts | 13:44 |
| qschulz | so that would be an option as well | 13:44 |
| shoragan | qschulz, we use that as well, but only for the secondary rootfs and data partition | 13:44 |
| shoragan | https://github.com/linux-automation/meta-lxatac/tree/scarthgap/meta-lxatac-bsp/recipes-core/lxatac-repart/files/repart.d | 13:44 |
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| shoragan | that keeps the initial image small :) | 13:45 |
| qschulz | pengutronix people on every channel I go to for the last few weeks it seems like :) | 13:45 |
| qschulz | mmmm, maybe linux-automation != pengu though | 13:46 |
| shoragan | qschulz, it's our HW company | 13:46 |
| qschulz | aaaah, so wasn't too far off :) | 13:46 |
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| RP | kanavin: https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/38/builds/5 - 3 days for AUH :/ | 15:08 |
| kanavin | RP: I was wondering about it too. | 15:08 |
| kanavin | it's nearly done though | 15:09 |
| RP | kanavin: I'll try and ensure maintenance doesn't stop it | 15:10 |
| RP | kanavin: there are a load of things in master-next it will probably overlap with | 15:10 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: have I missed something or is there no documentation for the pre-/post-installation scripts? | 15:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: its called state scripts, because it can do quite a bit more than just pre-/post-install: https://docs.mender.io/artifact-creation/state-scripts | 15:17 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: ok so the phrasing is very misleading | 15:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: possibly, yes. | 15:18 |
| qschulz | The Mender Client has the ability to run pre- and postinstall scripts, before and after it writes the root filesystem. However, Mender state scripts are more general and useful than pre/postinstall scripts | 15:18 |
| qschulz | To me this means you have two things | 15:18 |
| qschulz | pre- and post-install scripts | 15:18 |
| qschulz | and also state scripts | 15:18 |
| qschulz | state scripts better | 15:18 |
| qschulz | highlighted by "However" | 15:19 |
| qschulz | meaning they are essentially different things | 15:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | hmm. should be something like "Those are provided as Mender state scripts, which additionally..." | 15:20 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: yeah or maybe just don't mention pre-/post-install in there? | 15:23 |
| qschulz | except if those are typical words and you want people to reach this page when they look for that kind of info | 15:23 |
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| roussinm | Hello, I have a recipe that has about 20 dependencies, and those 20 dependencies are copied to a packagegroup to be installed in a SDK, some of those dependencies are header-only c++ deps, so they have a empty package, but -dev is populated. I was thinking of maybe using .inc file that the recipe and the packagegroup uses, but maybe there is a better way? Also I don't want to install the multiple | 17:52 |
| roussinm | binaries that the recipe installs, only want to share the DEPENDS. It happened a couple times where people added dependencies to the recipe (DEPENDS), but forgot to add the RDEPENDS in the packagroup, so I am trying to consolidate both lists. We are using meta-toolchain-COMPANY to build the sdk. | 17:52 |
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| mattsm | is there any support for aarch32 in yocto? | 18:02 |
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| roussinm | mattsm: I know you can create machine configuration for a rasp pi 2: https://github.com/agherzan/meta-raspberrypi/blob/master/conf/machine/raspberrypi2.conf, if I remember correctly those are 32 bit machines right? | 18:10 |
| mattsm | roussinm: I can build for 32-bit arm for sure, just curious about the right tune or tune_features to generate aarch32 code | 18:12 |
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| roussinm | mattsm: Can't you find your cpu in the poky machine includes? | 18:16 |
| mattsm | roussinm: i am on an A55 but I am trying to generate smaller code | 18:17 |
| mattsm | roussinm: so yes the TUNE is there | 18:17 |
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| roussinm | mattsm: maybe you can play with the FULL_OPTIMIZATION variable? | 18:21 |
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| mattsm | roussinm: yea adding -Os or something there might help but it's still aarch64 ;-) | 18:23 |
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| roussinm | mattsm: ok, so you are using the machine include for cortexa55. You are going to have to create another machine file probably, which will use a 32bit tune, instead of the default 64, like: tune-armv7a | 18:28 |
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| mattsm | roussinm: so which tune is for aarch32, that's is what is confusing me ;-) | 18:28 |
| roussinm | mattsm: I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A55, maybe it can help find the correct tune. | 18:29 |
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| usvi | TARGET_CXXFLAGS += " -DNDEBUG " | 19:38 |
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| tgamblin | rburton: still looking at fixing the numpy reproducibility issue. I've gone so far as to switch from running the sed fixups in do_install:append() to do_compile:append() instead. What I am seeing is that even after I cleaning up any references to TMPDIR in __config__.py entirely, something during do_install() or later injects them again into the version of that file (and the .pyc) that gets deployed... | 19:59 |
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| tgamblin | trying to understand where that might be in meson.bbclass or python_mesonpy.bbclass | 19:59 |
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| tgamblin | https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson-python/issues/703 seems to be relevant... | 20:15 |
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| * tgamblin is going to include an upgrade for python3-meson-python to 0.17.1 | 20:20 | |
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| rburton | tgamblin: oooh -Cbuild-dir, please add that to the mesonpy class too! | 20:32 |
| tgamblin | rburton: I will if/when I can make sense of the rest of this :) | 20:33 |
| * tgamblin really needs to crash-course meson and the python compilation process | 20:33 | |
| rburton | oh we already do that :) | 20:33 |
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| tgamblin | I'm thinking that I'm using nativepython3 to recompile the wrong __config__.py | 20:33 |
| rburton | but yeah throw that upgrade in | 20:33 |
| rburton | possibly | 20:33 |
| rburton | did you push your latest code? | 20:34 |
| tgamblin | rburton: pushed here: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=tgamblin/numpy-2.1.3 | 20:34 |
| tgamblin | rburton: I'm operating on ${D}${PYTHON_SITEPACKAGES_DIR}/numpy/__config__.py, which I suspect is the wrong one | 20:34 |
| rburton | that should be the right one | 20:35 |
| rburton | check the install log in case something is spitting out errors? | 20:35 |
| tgamblin | hmm. With this current push branch, the __config__.py file doesn't trigger QA, but /usr/lib/python3.13/site-packages/numpy/__pycache__/__config__.cpython-313.pyc still does | 20:36 |
| tgamblin | will do | 20:36 |
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| tgamblin | I don't see anything scandalous in the log.do_install file | 20:37 |
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| tgamblin | rburton: pushed again to make the sed paths a bit better in do_install:append(). It's really weird to me that the nativepython3 call isn't fixing the issue... | 21:03 |
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| tgamblin | if I run it manually it definitely corrects the path, but telling the recipe to do so in do_install:append() seems to have no effect | 21:04 |
| * tgamblin is going to attribute this to PEBKAC | 21:05 | |
| tgamblin | s/corrects the path/corrects the TMPDIR contamination in __config__.cpython-313.pyc/ | 21:06 |
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