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KanjiMonsteris there a way to prevent the removal of the run-postinsts package in the image build step?12:38
rburtonKanjiMonster: why would you need that if there are no postinsts to run?12:42
rburton(it is removed if there are no postinsts)12:42
KanjiMonsterrburton: when we upgrade an image, we try to take over any conffiles + users/groups/etc, but replace everything else. So uids/guids may not match anymore, and any postinsts that chown files need to run at runtime, not at image creation time (or run again)12:47
KanjiMonster(we already have a custom run-preints service to make sure that any missing users are created on first boot)12:48
rburtonyou can probably add an option to _uninstall_unneeded in rootfs.py12:48
KanjiMonsterwould be less of an issue if yocto had static uids/guids for service users/groups, but currently it doesn't ;)12:49
rburtonyou can add them12:51
rburtonuseradd-staticids iirc12:52
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KanjiMonsterhm "when the OpenEmbedded build system adds a user to the system during package installation", doesn't sound like it would work if the user needs to be added during first boot, unless this also modifies the generated preinst script12:58
olani-KanjiMonster: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/classes.html#ref-classes-useradd13:00
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KanjiMonsterolani-: my current question is if you add a package to the running system, will it still get the static uid/gid defined in files/passwd etc?13:04
KanjiMonsteror would I need to .bbappend all recipes that add users for that13:05
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SaurKanjiMonster: Yes. The static IDs are encoded into the preinst-function that creates the users for the package.13:05
KanjiMonsterthat's good to know, that should solve my issue13:06
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SaurBut using `useradd-staticids` is essential if you want to support updating your firmware and support non-root owned files that are created in runtime.13:11
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KanjiMonsterI come from an OpenWrt background, I'm used to (system) users having static ids by default ;)13:14
KanjiMonsteranyway, thanks everyone for the pointers :)13:16
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KanjiMonsterunfortunately it seems systemd does not care for useradd-staticids, the wheel group does not match what I put into files/group15:08
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KanjiMonsteror whereever the wheel group comes from ...15:16
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KanjiMonsterso yeah, systemd does not use useradd but uses useradd and its own facilities. it does support static allocation, but requires this to be done as meson build args (to populate /usr/lib/sysusers.d/basic.conf)15:46
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frayKanjiMonster: if systemd has it's own magic list of users then that is probably a bug if it's not synced up "somehow".  I guess the question comes down to, do we try to detect this issue and warn/error for the user or is there a way we can update the configuration to match the static users (preferred approach).15:57
KanjiMonsterfray: systemd has its own magic list of users and groups: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/meson_options.txt#L286-L32715:59
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fraythis is unix, having your own user list is insane.. IMHO15:59
KanjiMonster¯\_(ツ)_/¯16:00
KanjiMonsterI mean this is systemd we are talking about, the NIH is very strong there16:00
frayI can see a list of "I want this capability, use this gid/uid" but anything more specific is "problematic", as you've found..16:00
frayIntegration bugs in these things need to be reported is the best I can tell you..  but we should try to warn the user of this type of thing, if not fix it.. (we = the community in general)16:01
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KanjiMonsterah, selfregistration is disabled for bugzilla. so reporting will need to wait a bit16:07
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rfs613sakoman: i know dunfell is EOL, but I wonder if you might accept a backport of https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/189137  so that apt-native can be compiled with gcc-13 ?16:16
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sakomanrfs613: sorry, I can't do that.  It probably would make sense to create your own dunfell fork and the gcc13 patches there.  I suspect you will find that you need more than just this one!16:19
rfs613sakoman: yes already done it in a local meta-backports layer. And surprisingly that is the only one that I needed to get it building.16:20
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sakomanrfs613: I meant that there are probably other packages that will also need gcc13 patches :-)16:23
rfs613sakoman: indeedd there might be, but in my particular build, apt-native is the only one that failed to compile. I was kind of surprised...16:25
sakomanrfs613: you are lucky!16:25
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Ch^WRP: (moving to IRC) I had a similar thought - we could add more configurabilty to get us closer to the same result.16:49
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JPEW@denix Pyrex 1.10.0 is released. I had to change it to pull from GHCR instead of Docker Hub, but it should work17:46
denixJPEW: thanks again! I'll give it a try17:47
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jonmasonJPEW: I lol'ed a few times at your jokes in your SBOM talk17:52
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JPEWjonmason: Good. I try to keep it a little lite, otherwise it's just too dry17:53
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Mazami92Hi19:11
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RPCh^W: I'd be happy to consider changes to allow that21:18
RPCh^W: I've done things like your class before myself :)21:18
RPCh^W: we have similar feelings on containers!21:18
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vmesonInteresting: https://sourceware.org/bunsen/  a test result storage and analysis toolkit  ...  stores them in a ludicrously compact de-duplicated Git repo23:11
vmesonwell, interesting if you like to store and compare tests at least! ;-)23:12
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RPvmeson: Someone else mentioned that recently too23:38
RPvmeson: I keep meaning to ask if you fancy fixing the build profile graphs? :)23:38
* RP has various fixes but nothing I'm 100% happy with :(23:39
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RPvmeson: this is the funky graph problem here: https://valkyrie.yocto.io/pub/non-release/20241130-83/testresults/buildperf-alma8/perf-alma8-vk_master_20241130154120_2a163834b0.html23:39
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