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| thomasxweber | good morning. is this channel also for yocto user questions? | 08:26 |
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| mcfrisk | thomasxweber: yes | 08:33 |
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| thomasxweber | should sstate cache be disabled, when building a release image? | 09:08 |
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| mckoan | thomasxweber: no. Why you have this doubt? | 09:10 |
| mckoan | khem: thx. Actually I ended using sysbench. What do you think about it? | 09:11 |
| thomasxweber | mckoan: are the sources necessary, if the result is already in sstate available? will the source be downloaded then? | 09:12 |
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| mckoan | thomasxweber: sources are in DL_DIR | 09:15 |
| mckoan | the downloaded ones I mean | 09:15 |
| mckoan | thomasxweber: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/overview-manual/concepts.html#yocto-project-concepts | 09:18 |
| mckoan | https://docs.yoctoproject.org/overview-manual/concepts.html#shared-state | 09:18 |
| thomasxweber | mckoan: someone deletes the source from DL_DIR, SSTATE_DIR contains artifact from former build; so will the source file be downloaded? | 09:20 |
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| mckoan | thomasxweber: in that case the task do_fetch won't be able to find the sources, therefore will download them again | 09:21 |
| thomasxweber | mckoan: thanks | 09:23 |
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| RP | swirl: to be clear, if the sstate is present but the files in DL_DIR are not, you would have to rerun do_fetch to get them back. do_fetch would not run if everything needed was in sstate | 09:41 |
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| ak77 | while at it... how to remove files in DL_DIR that are not needed anymore ? e.g. no recipe references them anymore | 09:44 |
| landgraf | ak77: DL_DIR can be shared between machines/distro/etc | 09:44 |
| ak77 | yes. ok. but during development, versions get bumped ... there are lefovers | 09:45 |
| landgraf | ak77: how do you know this "leftovers" are not used by different version? :) | 09:46 |
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| ak77 | ok. fair enough. another one, i have in memory that I tried to move DL_DIR, and updated it in local.conf, and it triggered rebuild. is that so ? | 10:10 |
| ak77 | shouldn't be if, as RP said, sstate has everything it needs. ... | 10:11 |
| ak77 | what if I move sstate ? | 10:11 |
| ak77 | (black friday is near... :)) | 10:11 |
| RP | ak77: were you using hash equivalence? | 10:14 |
| * ak77 scratches head... | 10:14 | |
| RP | moving DL_DIR and SSTATE_DIR wouldn't matter. Losing a copy of the hash equivalence mapping in the build directory would | 10:14 |
| Guest20 | Can anyone please tell me how to resolve these issues | 10:14 |
| Guest20 | Problem 1: package packagegroup-core-standalone-sdk-target-1.0-r0.cortexa7t2hf_neon from oe-repo requires libstdc++-dev, but none of the providers can be installed | 10:15 |
| Guest20 | package space-monitor-1.0-r0.cortexa7t2hf_neon from oe-repo requires busybox-cron, but none of the providers can be installed | 10:15 |
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| rburton | ak77: use find to delete files that haven't been accessed for six months, or something | 10:34 |
| Guest20 | rburton could you please help me with my question | 10:38 |
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| Jones42 | Guest20: try to move step by step. find the providers of busybox cron, try to build them alone (bitbake busybox), check the logs in the "temp" directory for errors | 10:55 |
| Jones42 | Guest20: 'find' and '' | 10:56 |
| Jones42 | Guest20: 'find' and 'rgrep' (i like 'ack') are your friends here | 10:56 |
| ak77 | RP, rburton: tnx | 10:57 |
| Jones42 | Guest20: you find the log- and run-files of each recipe here: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/structure.html#build-tmp-work-tunearch-recipename-version | 10:58 |
| Jones42 | and while I'm already here: quick sanity check: Our customer messes with "IMAGE_INSTALL" in his layer.confs. There's no sane reason to do that, right? | 11:01 |
| RP | Jones42: it depends what you're trying to do but it would be a best practise, it is potentially very confusing | 11:02 |
| Jones42 | RP: thanks for the "somewhat-confirmation" :-) - I'm tring to clean up a big project and there are a lot of cases where they just add the packages provided by the layer to IMAGE_INSTALL. | 11:03 |
| rburton | yeah that's literally one of the DO NOT DO THIS slides in my 'how to write a bsp' presentation this summer | 11:04 |
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| Jones42 | rburton: oh, great! I've seen the talk but must have forgotten that point. | 11:05 |
| Jones42 | Good to have some "authority" I can refer to while I'm digging their whole structure over :-) | 11:06 |
| Jones42 | also I've just figured out that their way of working also conflicts with core-image.bbclass... | 11:07 |
| ak77 | mcfrisk: thank you for answers on "dobule lives". when is the next LTS expected? | 11:09 |
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| ak77 | hmm. looks like every two years. | 11:09 |
| rburton | yes | 11:10 |
| rburton | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases | 11:10 |
| ak77 | yes. looking at this page now. | 11:10 |
| rburton | april 26 is the next lts as the latest lts was april 2024 | 11:10 |
| rburton | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_and_LTS | 11:11 |
| ak77 | "nice" product i am working on should be release in april 25 :) | 11:11 |
| RP | Jones42: unconditionally adding is insane. I wasn't sure what "messes with" meant | 11:12 |
| Jones42 | RP: ah, sorry for not being more precise. I thought that IMAGE_* should not be modified by layer.conf in general. But I guess there's always exceptions to any rule | 11:15 |
| rburton | layer.conf shouldn't really touch anything apart from the layer setup and _maybe_ HOSTTOOLS | 11:16 |
| RP | Jones42: I'm a supported of letting people innovate and do interesting things but that kind of change which can be done better elsewhere doens't make sense | 11:17 |
| RP | rburton: please not HOSTTOOLS :( | 11:17 |
| RP | we need recipe specific host tools | 11:17 |
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| Guest20 | Jones42 rburton thank you very much for your inputs | 11:36 |
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| LetoThe2nd | long shot, but: is there a way, possibly through some variable, to reference a file in a layer in local.conf, without knowing the absolute position of the layer directory? Like pseudocode MAGIC_FILE = "${TOPDIF_meta-demo}/files/magic-file" | 12:45 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, what's the use case? | 12:47 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: demoing a pipeline where such an asset is required. if the asset can be bundled into a "layer" like this, and then be set up using the usual layer setup tools, then I just think it is more convenient and reproducible than saying "place the absolute path on your machine into this variable" | 12:49 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, but where and how is it used? Typically if something is used in a recipe, then you add it to SRC_URI, and place it next to the recipe file | 12:52 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: its used in a recipe, but an upstream one. so yeah, the next best way would be to use bbappends. | 12:52 |
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| kanavin | RP: I'm rather enjoying sane rpm times again, this glibc-locale thing been bothering me for months | 12:55 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: so yesterday i had a colleague rant at me about how mender only supports LTS releases | 12:55 |
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| LetoThe2nd | rburton: ya I can also tell you which colleague :-) | 12:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: updating master-next for him is on my to-do list | 12:56 |
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| rburton | :) | 12:57 |
| RP | kanavin: I had noticed rpm was taking longer, nice find in fixing it! | 12:57 |
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| Scorpi | Hi, I want to add nodejs to the SDK. Am I right that I need to add nodejs-nativesdk the package list of the SDK? | 13:16 |
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| mcfrisk | that enables running nodejs natively in SDK environment. "nodejs" would enable using target nodejs in SDK. | 13:18 |
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| RP | Scorpi: nativesdk-nodejs too btw, nativesdk is a prefix | 13:18 |
| Scorpi | mcfrisk: I wand to be able to build nodejs related projects using npm in the SDK | 13:20 |
| Scorpi | RP: oops, thanks | 13:21 |
| mcfrisk | Scorpi: for target or for the SDK environment? | 13:22 |
| Scorpi | mcfrisk: for target | 13:22 |
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| mcfrisk | for building, it could be that the nativesdk-nodejs works. But there can be issues if something is architecture dependent | 13:24 |
| Scorpi | RP: this was my error (prefix, not suffix). Now I need to adjust the nodejs dependencies to provide the nativesdk part, too | 13:24 |
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| Scorpi | mcfrisk: actually, the build produces binaries that use /usr/local/oe-sdk-hardcoded-buildpath/sysroots/x86_64-pokysdk-linux/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 as the loader | 15:02 |
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| RP | Scorpi: if that isn't what you want, you're after something "cross-canadian" in our recipe namespace | 15:26 |
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| RP | rburton, zeddii: https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/22/builds/497 | 15:28 |
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| rburton | zeddii: fyi 22aaaa7a1a732a5288aa4a5785a77b6895959134 | 15:44 |
| rburton | i'll send a patch | 15:44 |
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| LetoThe2nd | not sure if I'm misunderstanding things, but to me it sounds like overlayfs essentially is a dance around four directories, and not something one could lay over a full rootfs filesystem, right? | 15:52 |
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| rburton | zeddii RP: patch sent | 15:54 |
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| RP | rburton: thanks | 16:02 |
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| khem | mckoan:sysbench does decent job too especially on smaller systems, it has less deps | 16:19 |
| mckoan | khem: thank you again | 16:20 |
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| RP | JPEW: I meant ask - the SPDX ID issue keeps corrupting builds when we change it. Are there manual dependencies we can add with SPDX functions to avoid this? | 16:38 |
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| JPEW | SPDX 2 or 3? | 16:39 |
| RP | JPEW: 3 | 16:40 |
| JPEW | RP: I thought we had fixed those, sorry. Is there a bugzilla or logs I can look at | 16:40 |
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| RP | JPEW: https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/29/builds/487 was a failing build and it has "contaminated" mathieudb's following builds in painful ways | 16:41 |
| JPEW | k | 16:41 |
| RP | e.g. https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/29/builds/489 https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/40/builds/487 is still there on a greener build | 16:41 |
| RP | https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/29/builds/495 too | 16:41 |
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| JPEW | K, I'll take a look | 16:42 |
| RP | JPEW: some of these are with Hongxu's patches but even when we remove them, the issues then persist | 16:42 |
| JPEW | I think some dependency is missing | 16:42 |
| RP | JPEW: that is my guess too | 16:42 |
| RP | JPEW: I also keep meaning to ask, is this one ok: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?h=master-next&id=c4b0a6de2aa3a7eabdc1662a508f406bd19b1763 ? | 16:42 |
| JPEW | Hongxu's patches are only fixes for when SPDX_INCLUDE_SOURCE = "1", which we don't do on the AB because it's _huge_ | 16:43 |
| JPEW | Yes that one is fine. I need to better understand the other patches that were sent though.... haven't been able to sit and look closely yet | 16:44 |
| RP | JPEW: somehow those patches do break on the autobuilder though | 16:46 |
| JPEW | RP: Ya, IIUC they are attempts to fix SPDX_INCLUDE_SOURCE, but they are a little invasive so I'm not terribly suprised | 16:47 |
| RP | JPEW: the dependency issue does seem like something we should fix regardless though - the issues shouldn't persist when the patches are dropped | 16:47 |
| RP | JPEW: I don't want to have to bump the sstate ABI number due to testing some patches :( | 16:48 |
| JPEW | Ya. I think if we can find the missing dependency, it will (hopefully) fix the problem | 16:49 |
| RP | JPEW: I hope so. I think you said it was due to the dependency code not being able to look inside the dynamic class code | 16:51 |
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| Scorpi | RP: sorry, I did not get this. What is this "recipe namespace"? | 17:12 |
| Scorpi | RP: my problem is that the build process in nodejs builds binaries that are executed later in the build process, but they are not native | 17:15 |
| Scorpi | RP: nodejs-native works, nativesdk-nodejs is broken | 17:16 |
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| khem | todays master I am seeing - https://0x0.st/XnGJ.txt | 18:21 |
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| Saur_ | zeddii: Was it intentional to tag meta-virualization with Yocto tags (yocto-5.0.5 and scarthgap-5.0.5)? | 19:08 |
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| zeddii | nope. not sure where they came from. I don't do any tagging. I'll remove them. | 19:22 |
| zeddii | hmm. none of my meta-virtualization layers have any tags | 19:23 |
| zeddii | oh. they aren't even ones I created. | 19:23 |
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| zeddii | I'm a little bit concerned they could even create those. | 19:24 |
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| khem | rburton: RP the issue I reported is caused by https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=5a524fe4aaa38bb68cdaca8b75aa0b436f206353 | 19:35 |
| khem | reverting it helped the build | 19:35 |
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| RP | zeddii: it was probably done with good intent to say that commit was tested as part of the 5.0.5 release | 21:20 |
| RP | halstead: why did we start creating meta-virt tags? | 21:20 |
| halstead | RP: Chee Yang sent a request to tag it. I almost double checked with you but went ahead. | 21:21 |
| halstead | zeddii: Should I remove the tag and avoid that in the future? | 21:22 |
| RP | halstead: I don't think release engineering should be touching layers "we" aren't the maintainers for without agreement with the maintainers | 21:23 |
| halstead | RP: Absolutely. This is my mistake. | 21:24 |
| halstead | zeddii: I pushed the tag for the release engineer using my access. He wouldn't be able to do it himself. | 21:24 |
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| halstead | zeddii: It will not happen again. My apologies. | 21:27 |
| RP | halstead: no harm done, it is just a tag | 21:30 |
| halstead | Thanks RP. | 21:31 |
| RP | except maybe zeddii's hair colour, I know mine is struggling too :) | 21:31 |
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| rburton | khem: oh if llvm-objcopy is terrible that's really going to annoy me | 21:38 |
| khem | its not a complex tool | 21:38 |
| khem | so I will be surprised | 21:38 |
| rburton | also i wish subprocess should show at least some of stdout/stderr in the exception | 21:39 |
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| RP | rburton: we try and patch that in :/ | 21:43 |
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| rburton | yeah i wrote that. its in oeqa, we should just shoehorn it into bitbake so its global | 22:03 |
| RP | rburton: see def _print_exception(t, value, tb, realfile, text, context): in lib/bb/utils.py ;-) | 22:06 |
| RP | the if isinstance(value, subprocess.CalledProcessError) and value.output: | 22:06 |
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| rburton | khem: ah for some reason with clang systemd doesn't write the dlopen notes or something | 22:11 |
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| khem | its possible, although that could be a different problem | 22:15 |
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| rburton | ah no it just behaves differently | 22:16 |
| rburton | binutils doesn't error if it can't find the segment | 22:17 |
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| rburton | khem: remove check=True from the subprocess.run in dlopen-deps.inc | 22:24 |
| rburton | i have a patch with a nicer comment that i'll post shortly | 22:24 |
| khem | ok | 22:24 |
| rburton | hm | 22:27 |
| rburton | packages/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd/libsystemd-shared: RRECOMMENDS: removed all items "libzstd (['>= 1.5.6']) libkmod (['>= 33'])" | 22:27 |
| rburton | packages/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd/libsystemd: RRECOMMENDS: removed all items "libzstd (['>= 1.5.6'])" | 22:27 |
| rburton | packages/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd/systemd-dbg: PKGSIZE changed from 84037600 to 61126112 (-27%) | 22:27 |
| rburton | packages/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd/systemd-dev: RRECOMMENDS: added "libgcc-dev" | 22:27 |
| rburton | packages/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd/systemd-src: PKGSIZE changed from 25136362 to 279312 (-99%) | 22:27 |
| rburton | that's unexpected | 22:27 |
| rburton | is -src packaging with systemd broken? | 22:27 |
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| rburton | and of course llvm's objcopy behaves differently | 22:32 |
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| RP | rburton: of course it does :/ | 22:46 |
| rburton | its even weirder | 22:46 |
| rburton | its writing the file but the f.read() doesn't see the content | 22:46 |
| RP | stdout vs err? | 22:47 |
| rburton | nope, its writing to a file | 22:47 |
| RP | fair enough, I don't have the context :) | 22:48 |
| * RP should ignore this | 22:48 | |
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| rburton | i do with tempfile.NamedTemporaryFile() as f: and then subprocess.run() to write to f.name, and then return f.read() | 22:52 |
| rburton | for some reason with binutils that works but with llvm's objcopy it doesn't see any content | 22:52 |
| rburton | looks like with open(f.name) as f2: return f2.read() works | 22:53 |
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| RP | rburton: I'd guess llvm is replacing the file so the fd is invalid | 22:56 |
| RP | replaces the file vs binutils changing the contents | 22:56 |
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