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| eduardootero | Hello everyone :-) | 07:38 |
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| eduardootero | Is there someone with experience deploying rauc bundle files on a target machine? | 07:38 |
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| landgraf | eduardootero: there were responses to your question while you were offline | 07:50 |
| landgraf | eduardootero: 2026-01-25 21:16:02 tlwoerner eduardootero: in general it makes more sense to store your bundles in a slot that is not updated, otherwise the bundles that are available to you are only the ones that were loaded/uploaded to the slot in which you are running | 07:51 |
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| paulbarker | Morning | 08:27 |
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| RP | Morning! | 08:37 |
| loblik | Is there a way how bitbake-setup can clone sources conditionally based on configuration (machine target)? if I have different BSP layers for different machines, they always gets all cloned during init, no matter which configuration is selected? | 08:55 |
| loblik | In kas we used include directive for common layers, and specified bsp layer in leaf configuration | 08:56 |
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| agodard | loblik: there's no inclusion feature with bitbake-setup for now so I'd say you have to duplicate some json in multiple configuration files | 10:18 |
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| RP | loblik: layers should be small and 'cheap' to clone? | 10:24 |
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| PeterM | Is there some unplanned scarthgap release? Commits like https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?h=scarthgap&id=d50e4680ed6f930582d907b37c9ed545a89f5c27 usually mean new tag/release however there are still 2 weeks to planned date of 5.0.16 build... | 10:41 |
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| RP | PeterM: more just that we're testing the merging process | 10:47 |
| RP | PeterM: changing stable maintainer | 10:48 |
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| PeterM | OK | 10:50 |
| yocton | PeterM: If you are curious, those commits https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-yocto/commit/?h=kirkstone&id=677379f21941363d50f9d946963542b4ccb7e27c are the one made during a release (the near kirkstone one in this case) | 10:52 |
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| loblik | RP: Yes, layers are not big in size. But some BSP layers depends on other layers. Having everything cloned for all targets does not make things easier. For instance grepping the layers during build issue troubleshooting can be misleading. | 11:44 |
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| eduardootero51 | landgraf and tlwoerner thank you for letting me know about the answers! | 12:08 |
| eduardootero51 | Ok! I am a bit new to RAUC (and probably still lot of things to learn regarding Yocto...) but if I understood correctly, tlwoerner, you are suggesting that if I want to include a rauc bundle (for me as a recovery or a way to "reset" to a specific state if I switch the sloot), instead of thinking on adding the "raucb" in the rootfs that I have | 12:08 |
| eduardootero51 | currently running... ideally I could configure from my Yocto build system a way to add the "raucb" into the slot that is not in use? | 12:08 |
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| eduardootero51 | I know that, of course, I hit a circular dependency issue if I try to add the rauc bundle into the rootfs of the image... so I was wondering what is the standard and recommended good practice, for somehow including in the WIC iamge file, the bundle, for someone to be able to potentially trigger a "reset" by doing a "rauc install..." of a bundle | 12:10 |
| eduardootero51 | that contains the "state" I am interested in setting as "base state". | 12:10 |
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| loblik | eduardootero51: that sounds like endless loop. the usual way I think is to have read-only as much of the system as possible and keep the state outside of rootfs | 12:16 |
| eduardootero51 | loblik Ok! I was wondering about deploying the raucb bundle file via an IPK package at a later stage if that is really needed. In my approach I was wondering if it is possible to add the raucb file already in the rootfs, but as you said that causes and endless loop when building... | 12:18 |
| eduardootero51 | loblik Agreed about the "make read-only as much of the system as possible" :-). | 12:18 |
| eduardootero51 | loblik Just wondering if there is a way to inyect a rauc already available within the WIC, from the start. I guess if I really really need to deploy a raucb in the system, I can always install it via an IPK. | 12:19 |
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| eduardootero51 | via a package, I meant. | 12:19 |
| kanavin | loblik, for better or worse, bitbake-setup does not support includes for now | 12:20 |
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| eduardootero51 | Then I would like to kindly ask, if someone here needs to deploy a raucb bundle file in their system, I guess just downloading it from the network into the system and hitting the "rauc install ..." would be the typical procedure? | 12:22 |
| eduardootero51 | if there is no physical access to the system... and network is the only way. | 12:22 |
| loblik | kanavin, ok...and is there a way how to pass variables to local.conf from setup conf file? Or the only way are the built-in fragments, which I have to define somewhere before setting them in bitbake-setup config? | 12:32 |
| loblik | I mean not pass them from the environment, but to declare them in conf file. | 12:33 |
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| tomasav | hi, do kernel lts versions get bumped within a yocto lts release or is it something that stays the same? Meaning, would scarthgap for example use 6.6.x always or will it be changed to 6.12.x at some point? | 13:12 |
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| rburton | tomasav: when 6.6 EOLs the kernel will probably be upgraded | 13:16 |
| tomasav | ok thanks :) | 13:16 |
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| tlwoerner | eduardootero51: what is typically done is to have two (or more) slots that are updated (A and B) then have a third slot (data) that is not updated but is mounted into the filesystem of whichever slot is running | 13:49 |
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| tlwoerner | A and B will tend to be "small" partitions (size-wise) and data is larger and where you would store, say, your app's data, databases, etc... and your RAUC bundles | 13:50 |
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| tlwoerner | when i have a new bundle to install, i upload it (via ssh) to the device's /data partition, then "rauc install ..." it from there | 13:53 |
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| tlwoerner | meta-rauc-community has simple examples of integrating rauc into various devices | 13:54 |
| tlwoerner | eduardootero51: in meta-rockchip i demonstrate a fancier way of using RAUC since i use systemd to dynamically repartition and format the filesystem on first boot | 13:55 |
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| tlwoerner | this makes the initial image size smaller since i'm not creating a redundant B partition with a duplicate of A's contents | 13:56 |
| tlwoerner | and it creates filesystems that fully use the entire partition's size | 13:57 |
| tlwoerner | in theory partitions could be resized later if they're not suitable, but wouldn't be recommended | 13:57 |
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| tlwoerner | https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-rockchip/ | 13:59 |
| eduardootero51 | tlwoerner thanks for the detail answer! For dynamically resizing the partitions I am "playing" with systemd-repart and systemd-growfs. | 13:59 |
| eduardootero51 | I have a partition "data", defined in my WKS, so it is already there and I can use it to deploy the raucb bundle via network. I am considering using maybe an IPK package for deploying it. | 13:59 |
| eduardootero51 | I am not sure if I understood. I am only using to "rauc" slots (A/B), I am not using a "third" slot. The data partition is just a partition I defined in the WKS :-) | 13:59 |
| tlwoerner | yes, that's exactly what i'm using in meta-rockchip | 14:00 |
| tlwoerner | https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-rockchip/tree/dynamic-layers/rk-rauc-demo/recipes-core/systemd | 14:00 |
| tlwoerner | i create the data partition on first boot, along with the others, then i can dynamically size it for my needs: https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-rockchip/tree/wic/rockchip.wks | 14:01 |
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| tlwoerner | the only partition i create in my wks is A | 14:01 |
| tlwoerner | it makes the size of the wic image smaller | 14:02 |
| eduardootero51 | I created a "default" data partition for 512MB, and then I set the fs options to "defaults,x-systemd.growfs". After deining the repart.d confs to match all the partitions I need, I create a last ".conf" file which matches the /data partition, and I allow the GrowFileSystem=yes :-) | 14:02 |
| eduardootero51 | True! You are correct. | 14:03 |
| eduardootero51 | the wic size becomes smaller | 14:03 |
| eduardootero51 | tlwoerner one question, do you use GPT table? | 14:03 |
| tlwoerner | yes | 14:03 |
| tlwoerner | i believe you have to use GPT with systemd-repart | 14:03 |
| eduardootero51 | yes, correct, systemd-repart is only compatible with GPT. True. | 14:04 |
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| tlwoerner | eduardootero51: i then use an overlay from /etc to /data/overlay so that, for example, if i create a new user/password in one slot, it will exist when i boot the other slot | 14:07 |
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| tlwoerner | i tend to use SDcards, which are typically 16gb and up, my A and B slots are 5gb each and the rest is /data | 14:08 |
| eduardootero51 | tlwoerner I am not using an overlay, I defined the directory where to mount the data partition in the WKS, and thats it. | 14:09 |
| tlwoerner | my A and B slots are typically under 20% used | 14:09 |
| eduardootero51 | tlwoerner ok! I am using eMMCs and yes... 2/3GBs goes to the rootfs a AND b | 14:09 |
| eduardootero51 | rest goes to data, and of course a little bit for bootloader, etc.. | 14:10 |
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| tlwoerner | meta-rockchip contains everything that i'm doing, and how i'm doing it as one example of how to use RAUC | 14:10 |
| tlwoerner | meta-rauc-community also has things to try | 14:11 |
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