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| [2025-04-18 07:47:02] <alb3rt0> Hello everyone | ||
| [2025-04-18 07:51:24] <alb3rt0> question guys, to discuss about meta-openembedded layer is ok the usage of that mailing list? openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org | ||
| [2025-04-18 07:55:17] <alb3rt0> nevermind I found the container thanks | ||
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| [2025-04-18 13:33:13] <sunkist> I used yocto for work and enjoyed it after the learning curve. Now I'd like to build packages at home for my ubuntu machine. I could use a bash script to fetch/unpack/configure/make. Or I could drive that process with a makefile (don't fetch if the tarball already exists) but at this stage I feel like I'm reimplementing bitbake, just poorly. | ||
| [2025-04-18 13:35:30] <sunkist> So I started using bitbake again, initially with just the os-core layer (to provide the autotools class.) This let me fetch/compile/package a simple C program with no dependencies. | ||
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| [2025-04-18 13:35:53] <sunkist> s/os-core/oe-core | ||
| [2025-04-18 13:38:15] <sunkist> Then I tried to build a program with a couple dependencies, normally satisfied by installing a "lib***-dev" package on the host system. Of course when `oe-runmake' bitbake complains about the '-I/usr/include' flag, saying it's bad for reproducibility. Ultimately, the binaries I'm building are being built for the qemux86_64 machine and not the local debian machine I'd actually like to target. | ||
| [2025-04-18 13:40:04] <sunkist> I can probably define all my recipes to be '-native' but I wonder if I'll be fighting another QA battle trying to get bitbake to package up a -native output into a package meant for the target. | ||
| [2025-04-18 13:42:06] <sunkist> I really like bitbake. I really like the simplicity of defining a SRC_URI and haveing things mostly just work from there. But I don't particularly need bitbake to build its own compiler and cstdlib. I'm happy to use the compiler and stdlib on the base system. | ||
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| [2025-04-18 14:16:34] <rburton> sunkist: sounds like you're using a hammer when you need a screwdriver. yocto is for cross-building entire platforms that it controls. if you want to build a binary for ubuntu then just use ubuntu's package management/building stuff. | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:18:00] <rburton> or if you really want to use bitbake, don't use oe-core: it's designed explicitly to cross compile. you don't want that. | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:18:49] <rburton> you might also want to look at something like homebrew | ||
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| [2025-04-18 14:37:18] <sunkist> rburton: I had considered dropping oe-core and reimplementing a crude "autotools" base class for native compilation. Bitbake brings "fetching/unpacking" functionality, so I could implement my own "autotools" base calss, or even just manually define the "do_build" steps, right? | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:37:30] <rburton> right | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:37:42] <rburton> if you want to explicltly do native compilation you do _not_ want oe-core | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:38:12] <rburton> you are at this point just reimplementing homebrew, so then your decision is "am i doing this for fun" or "do i want something that just works" | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:39:09] <sunkist> re: homebrew, I have also been looking at nixos. It's both declarative and reproducible | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:39:33] <rburton> nixos is very much the new cool | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:39:57] <rburton> i believe it builds its own system entirely though, instead of just layering on top of your host | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:40:14] <rburton> so you're back to answering "what do i actually want to do" questions | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:40:24] <sunkist> Today, I already have makefiles that drive a process of curl -> sha256sum -> tar -xvf -> configure -> make -> dpkg-deb build | ||
| [2025-04-18 14:41:13] <rburton> personally i'd be just using homebrew for that, thousands of packages already done for you. there's a lot of edge cases in building software. | ||
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| [2025-04-18 17:56:21] <khem> RP: https://web.git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=kraj/clang-merge-2 seems to be start looking good and promising for getting meta-clang sorted ( changes for meta-clang are in yoe/mut branch ) and mesa is working ok too | ||
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