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| [2025-05-02 09:15:53] <mcfrisk> sigh, devshell is becoming quite useless when also "less" is killed by pseudo | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:17:31] <RP> mcfrisk: I did work on a "resync" type command for pseudo a while back, the idea being to bring psuedo's database and the disk back in sync | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:18:10] <RP> mcfrisk: in theory my thinking was we could run this at pseudo server init time to avoid a certain class of issues | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:21:49] <mcfrisk> inode mismatch, path mismatch. triggered by any tools which read/write to $HOME and are used inside and outside of devshell. | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:24:11] <mcfrisk> once there is one path mismatch, then anything can trigger inode mismatch. | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:24:31] <mcfrisk> any tool with GNU readline support will start failing | ||
| [2025-05-02 09:30:36] <RP> mcfrisk: $HOME isn't covered by pseudo, the problem is likely inode reuse for things deleted in the directories actually monitored | ||
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| [2025-05-02 10:23:17] <mcfrisk> RP: $HOME is covered by pseudo. "inode mismatch: '/home/mcfrisk/.viminfo' ino 33270730 in db, 33269736 in request.", "inode mismatch: '/home/mcfrisk/.lesshst' ino 33270625 in db, 33270730 in request." | ||
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| [2025-05-02 10:33:37] <rburton> huh | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:34:08] <rburton> mcfrisk: add HOME to PSEUDO_IGNORE_PATHS | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:34:25] <rburton> no that won't work | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:34:32] <rburton> this is why that option should be opt-in not opt-out | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:37:03] <RP> rburton: why wouldn't adding home work? | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:37:22] <rburton> wouldn't it then ignore _all_ of home, but if your build is under home... | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:37:40] <RP> rburton: ah, if the build is under home that would be, problematic. | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:37:49] <RP> rburton: it should be opt in, I think we even have PoC for that somewhere. Just time... | ||
| [2025-05-02 10:38:40] <rburton> I wonder if adding ${HOME}/.* would work | ||
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| [2025-05-02 10:44:31] <RP> mcfrisk: I was thinking it was ignored but we couldn't for the reason ross mentioned | ||
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| [2025-05-02 11:08:24] — paulg used to use "devshell" because I wasn't smart enough to figure out anything else (approx 2y ago) | ||
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| [2025-05-02 11:19:22] <mcfrisk> I can be stupid, sure, but for debugging local build failures I've always used devshell since that allows me to inspect code after all patches have been applied and I can also run do_configure and do_compile tasks manually, possibly with hacks/workarounds in place in sources or in build scripts | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:21:42] <paulg> oh, don't take it the wrong way. No scorn intended. I'm a kernel guy. Only reason I stopped using devshell was 'cause I retired from working on userspace. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:22:56] <paulg> I can't speak to "now", but it used to be a quick way to "see" what bitbake saw. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:23:34] <paulg> I used it a bunch. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:24:43] <paulg> Would be a shame if it suffered bitrot. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:26:04] <mcfrisk> kernel and other shared-workdir recipes are a bit trickier, but in the end work the same way, though the non-standard kernel tasks are a bit annoying to call manually when refactoring things | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:29:55] <paulg> I used to use whatever compiler (x86) was on the ubuntu turd I happened to be on in an attempt to reproduce whatever turd RP pointed me at, but when that failed, I'd use devshell as a quick way to get to sysroot/toolchain. And then just build a whole new kernel on a completely different baseline within the devshell. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:30:19] <paulg> I'm sure it was never designed for that, but it worked pretty damn good! | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:31:08] <RP> paulg: it was intended to do that kind of thing | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:31:14] <mcfrisk> I need access to the exact build env with complex dependencies, for any SW component. right now edk2-firmware... | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:31:32] <paulg> But of course, being me, I'd piss and moan because tab completion didn't quite work. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:32:44] <paulg> RP, well there you go. For once in my life I was doing sth within spec, and not colouring outside the lines... | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:34:25] <RP> paulg: you complained? Its like rburton saying he hates something. He hates everything :) | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:34:51] <rburton> that's not true! i love pizza. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:35:06] <mcfrisk> also with pineapple? | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:35:10] <RP> rburton: even with pineapple? :) | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:35:15] <RP> mcfrisk: haha | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:35:46] <RP> rburton: I guess not quite everything. Just software | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:36:08] <rburton> oh yeah all software is terrible ;) | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:36:29] <paulg> I wasn't sure that I wasn't the Mikey from the 1970-s era Life cereal ad until I was an adult... | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:36:54] <paulg> Had the same haircut. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:37:54] <paulg> "He won't eat it. He hates everything!" | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:38:06] <paulg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQ0LZSnJFE | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:42:46] <paulg> rburton, if you've ever had to do IT support for family/friends - then yea "all software is terrible"... | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:44:03] <paulg> Such a thankless task. It is YOUR FAULT that some cable PVR is running 2008 firmware written by a bunch of drunk monkeys. | ||
| [2025-05-02 11:46:17] <paulg> Frustration brings out the worst in people... | ||
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| [2025-05-02 12:38:28] <tgamblin> rburton: I feel like that's the free space on a bingo card - when aliens make first contact, they'll probably bring pizza as a sign of friendship | ||
| [2025-05-02 12:44:19] — paulg wonders who was up at 2am watching sci-fi | ||
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| [2025-05-02 13:13:01] <RP> paulg: I suspect we all get to do that tech support | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:15:14] <paulg> I don't remember that on the high school career guidance councillor check list... | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:15:44] <paulg> (okay, maybe 'cause I didn't go) | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:19:04] <paulg> Ah well, I complain - but what wouldn't you do for family? | ||
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| [2025-05-02 13:31:23] <rburton> i made my father buy an imac and external storage for time machine specifically to reduce tech support, it worked a treat! | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:34:48] <paulg> rburton, I love my brother to death, but I was so glad when he moved from android to iPhone. | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:40:06] <RP> hmm, qemu 10 changes look painful :( | ||
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| [2025-05-02 13:41:09] <rburton> why am i not surprised | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:41:27] <leon-anavi> khem, re: meta-raspberrypi. Sorry for bothering you. It seems that you approved the pull request but not the GitHub workflows. There is still a note: "3 workflows awaiting approval". Could you please have a look? | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:41:45] <paulg> I don't want to hear about any qemu ppc 8250 serial issues! | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:43:07] <RP> paulg: I never said a word | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:43:41] <paulg> RP -- and I thank you for it. | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:43:59] <fray> it's just an 8250, how hard can it be? ;) | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:46:30] <paulg> I know fray is jerking my chain, 'cause I do that to him. But raise your hand if you've ever had to prove to a SoC vendor that their 8250/16550 has "new warts"... | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:46:51] <fray> <raises hand> | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:47:13] <RP> I've seen the kernel code, sadly | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:47:15] <fray> (first time I encountered a serial port issue was when I was about 10 years old. Apple //c, damned thing wouldn't get over 1200 bps reliably) | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:47:56] <paulg> RP, the 40 years of work-a-rounds is depressing. | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:48:00] <fray> ....10 years later, working on an ISA board. If you didn't initialize it ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY, same type of behavior. Apparently some sort of undocumented errata that board configuration order mattered. | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:49:19] <fray> to be honest though, don't know that either was an 8250 (or similar) | ||
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| [2025-05-02 13:59:02] <paulg> back in the early/mid 1990s I was fighting with the 8250/16550 network equivalent - the NatSemi 8390 and all the flawed clones it spawned. | ||
| [2025-05-02 13:59:25] <paulg> That was an eye-opener! | ||
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| [2025-05-02 14:05:51] <fray> ya this was an early 90's 'octopus' card I aquired about 95.. the driver was 'touchy', when it worked it was great.. when it wasn't it requires some hand-holding.. | ||
| [2025-05-02 14:11:41] <fray> was useful for a while to have 16 fullsize DB25 dangling off a card | ||
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| [2025-05-02 14:15:03] <paulg> fray running a 1990 BBS porn server on a modem pool... ;-P | ||
| [2025-05-02 14:26:38] <fray> ha! no it was actually for terminals, I had 2 or 3 terminals set plus a modem to a Linux box | ||
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| [2025-05-02 14:33:25] <paulg> sure, sure... | ||
| [2025-05-02 14:34:43] <paulg> everybody needs 16 serial ports back in 1995. | ||
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| [2025-05-02 15:49:42] <khem> RP:I sent a minor version update for clang which should be applied on top of current merge patch, I have prefixed subject with with master-next | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:49:48] <khem> leon-anavi:ok thanks | ||
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| [2025-05-02 15:50:31] <leon-anavi> thank you | ||
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| [2025-05-02 15:51:24] <RP> khem: ok, thanks. There is a concern that the current patches leave a lot of TOOLCHAIN variable settings in the new recipes. I'm a little bit wary about adding that when we haven't decided how this is going to work yet :/ | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:52:22] <khem> RP: it is inert unless meta-clang is enabled we can change it in phase2, It makes recipes wholly reside in core so makes my headache less | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:53:30] <khem> I would like to avoid carrying bbappends, they are errorprone, but I can see if I can somehow pack it into nonclangable.inc | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:54:02] <khem> removing recipes completely from meta-clang is a good thing I would like to keep it this way | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:54:15] <khem> removed confusion for folks | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:55:33] <RP> khem: right, I'm just worried this is going to get used against me in due course. I can see both sides to this | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:56:28] <khem> I think I can move it into nonclangable.inc perhaps if that makes it easier for you | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:56:39] <khem> looking at its use, seems doable | ||
| [2025-05-02 15:58:22] <khem> meta-clang is broken for so long, I am getting lot of questions, so am interested in getting it through before people start doubting the future of clang support in OE more | ||
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| [2025-05-02 17:50:29] <khem> RP: I have send a v6 with TOOLCHAIN removed and clang 20.1.3 update added to series | ||
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| [2025-05-02 18:07:09] <RP> khem: thanks! | ||
| [2025-05-02 18:19:47] <khem> RP:there might be some minor adjustments I might need eventually to adjust meta-clang due to this but it should be incremental | ||
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| [2025-05-02 19:02:00] <khem> RP:sent another patch which should fix meta-clang test for poky underway | ||
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| [2025-05-02 22:57:54] <khem> RP: combined with one last patch I think meta-clang is happy as well | ||
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