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| [2025-05-07 00:34:51] <wmills_> @khem: Thanks! | ||
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| [2025-05-07 01:00:32] <tlwoerner> khem: ld: error: unrecognized value '-z gcs-compliant=all' | ||
| [2025-05-07 01:00:42] <tlwoerner> do i need to use master-next or something? | ||
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| [2025-05-07 04:47:28] <khem> hmm ok | ||
| [2025-05-07 04:53:22] <khem> tlwoerner: try with -Wl,-z,gcs-report-dynamic=none | ||
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| [2025-05-07 08:44:51] <qschulz> tlwoerner: got a Radxa Rock by any chance? I have a few patches to maybe make meta-rockchip build a wic image but I cannot test it | ||
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| [2025-05-07 09:26:27] <qschulz> I'm wondering if we shouldn't set an override for aarch32 and aarch64 architectures for WKS_FILE_DEPENDS_BOOTLOADERS to virtual/bootloader by default? | ||
| [2025-05-07 09:26:31] <qschulz> https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes-recipe/image_types_wic.bbclass#n115 | ||
| [2025-05-07 09:26:42] <qschulz> there are defaults for x86* ones | ||
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| [2025-05-07 09:56:55] <RP> qschulz: there is a patch from mcfrisk doing that, I think it just needed a tweak | ||
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| [2025-05-07 10:09:23] <mcfrisk> qschulz: yes, I need to get back to those patches but they are coming. checking latest kernel changes currently which are related to my patches, somewhat. everything depends on everything :/ | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:11:21] <mcfrisk> qschulz: after some builds/rebuilds wic images can be without bootloader binaries due to this missing dependency, thus the other wic patches are also important.. | ||
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| [2025-05-07 10:51:49] <qschulz> mcfrisk: are we talking about https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20250404162932.447699-12-mikko.rapeli@linaro.org/? | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:52:13] <qschulz> is systemd-boot REALLY the most popular option (and supported) for aarch64/aarch32 platforms? | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:53:32] <rburton> qschulz: its better than grub :) | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:55:12] <qschulz> well, you have U-Boot and Barebox too :) | ||
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| [2025-05-07 10:55:41] <qschulz> or am I misunderstanding what WKS_FILE_DEPENDS_BOOTLOADERS should contain? | ||
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| [2025-05-07 10:57:42] <rburton> i thought that variable was just "all the choices" because at that point you can't know what wic will want | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:58:31] <qschulz> rburton: mmmm, we maybe do things different here in meta-rockchip (and possibly not correctly, who knows :) ) | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:58:38] <qschulz> because we set those wic variables from the machine conf file | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:58:46] <rburton> ask tlwoerner what the intention is :) | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:58:52] <rburton> maybe machines should override the defaults | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:59:01] <qschulz> which happens to be parsed before the variable is hard-set by the bbclass | ||
| [2025-05-07 10:59:58] <qschulz> the intention is not needing to set the variables from all image recipes for a board | ||
| [2025-05-07 11:00:36] <qschulz> otherwise we'd also need to have a bbappend for all images from e.g. poky to generate a flashable image | ||
| [2025-05-07 11:01:32] <rburton> set with overrides in your machine config? | ||
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| [2025-05-07 11:19:25] <mcfrisk> well default u-boot upstrea configs will build UEFI support, and then it's either kernel or grub or systemd-boot as UEFI app. wic config decides which but the dependency to build them needs to be there. machine should set default and images should be able to override | ||
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| [2025-05-07 12:00:12] <qschulz> the image yes, not the bbclass | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:01:50] <qschulz> where do you see "default upstream U-Boot configs will build UEFI support" ? each board has its own defconfig, where EFI could be enabled | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:02:11] <mcfrisk> the configs in u-boot upstream | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:02:42] <mcfrisk> I wish we could use EFI_PROVIDER for DEPENDS but it doesn't work atm | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:03:05] <qschulz> "the configs in u-boot upstream" ? | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:03:25] <mcfrisk> the defconfigs there for various boards | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:03:36] <qschulz> yes? they may have UEFI there, and they may not | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:03:39] <qschulz> there is no "default" | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:04:02] <qschulz> aside from the default in Kconfig | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:04:35] <qschulz> but I think the fundamental misunderstanding is that WKS_FILE_DEPENDS_BOOTLOADERS is not for the bootloader recipe | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:04:49] <qschulz> it's for userspace tools interacting with the bootloader or whatever | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:05:24] <qschulz> (and to be clear: *my* fundamental misunderstanding) | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:05:42] <mcfrisk> there are too many bootloaders, too many stages and each claiming to be "the" | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:05:58] <qschulz> isn't it why we have virtual/bootloader? | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:07:17] <mcfrisk> HW microcode -> vendor FSBL -> security bits like bl31, optee, tf-a etc -> u-boot/edk2 -> kernel or boot menu tool like grub/systemd-boot -> initrd.. | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:08:04] <mcfrisk> which one of those is virtual/bootloader? to me it's just u-boot, edk2 or ovmf (edk2 really) | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:08:26] <mcfrisk> EFI_LOADER is either grub or systemd-boot | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:09:43] <mcfrisk> in some setups boot can be directly from HW microcode -> u-boot -> kernel | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:10:20] <qschulz> you do still have u-boot in that chain though | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:10:32] <qschulz> which is virtual/bootloaders | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:10:36] <qschulz> -s | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:11:21] <qschulz> some platforms (like Rockchip) have (currently) tf-a and op-tee in U-Boot directly, so that's a good enough dependency (for that architecture) | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:11:28] <qschulz> s/architecture/vendor/ | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:12:02] <qschulz> but I think this is not an important discussion as I believe we only want things consumed by the bootloader in WKS_FILE_DEPENDS_BOOTLOADERS? | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:12:32] <mcfrisk> yes that's the meta-arm approach too, the setup between boards is quite distributed in various recipes which all need to be aligned with memory regions etc | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:12:53] <mcfrisk> which level of bootloader :) | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:13:31] <mcfrisk> to me it's the EFI_LOADER or kernel. "bootmenu" would be more descriptive, imo | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:14:43] <qschulz> fair enough | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:14:58] <mcfrisk> and even that's bad since u-boot can have a menu, EFI can have a menu, and then grub/systemd-boot too | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:15:01] <qschulz> I can see grub being a bootloader too | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:15:10] <qschulz> or whatever EFI application or whatever the proper name for that is :) | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:15:16] <mcfrisk> yea | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:15:27] <mcfrisk> and those can be chained in various ways.. | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:16:20] <qschulz> and I guess we could argue that the bootloader (pre-EFI) may be on a different storage medium than the one the wic image will be flashed too | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:16:24] <qschulz> s/too/to/ | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:17:39] <mcfrisk> yes, or on the same medium, sdcard/mmc, which is handy when testing things, but then there is more uncontrolled code in other flash storage or HW.. | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:19:08] <qschulz> tlwoerner: forget about the Radxa Rock, the rockchip maintainer had one and it cannot boot upstream U-Boot because it needs special stuff to boot that somehow got broken over time :) | ||
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| [2025-05-07 12:42:07] <rburton> so jonmason should be working on some better naming for all the different things that are 'bootloader' | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:42:15] <rburton> qschulz mcfrisk ^ | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:43:20] <qschulz> rburton: it's always a question of perspective | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:43:36] <qschulz> I had HW engineers tell me everyting software is a firmware | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:43:55] <rburton> ha | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:46:35] <RP> FWIW master-next has the pseudo "include" instead of "exclude" paths patches in | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:46:44] <rburton> nice | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:47:07] <RP> I'll run them through the AB and see how bad things look | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:47:32] <RP> poky-tiny builds... | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:48:48] <RP> It is 18 months since I touched them so I've forgotten enough to think about it again | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:52:32] <PeterM> ${WORKDIR}/pkgdata in PSEUDO_INCLUDE_PATHS looks suspicious as it will include ${WORKDIR}/pkgdata-sysroot which was previously in PSEUDO_IGNORE_PATHS | ||
| [2025-05-07 12:54:57] <RP> PeterM: that is an interesting point. I wonder why I did that | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:00:32] <mcfrisk> should layers/recipes/bbclasses amend PSEUDO_INCLUDE_PATHS if their funky tools need it, or submit changes to oe-core? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:05:44] <tlwoerner> qschulz: yes, i do have a Radxa Rock (but reading further i see that's not important now) | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:09:50] <tlwoerner> khem: yes! LDFLAGS:append = " -Wl,-z,gcs-report-dynamic=none" succeeds! | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:10:11] <tlwoerner> khem: is that a solution, or an investigation/work-around? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:11:41] <mcfrisk> tlwoerner: I tried that too but it failed for me. config step in systemd build failed to detect compiler etc properly. hmm.. | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:13:22] <tlwoerner> qschulz: i too questioned the patch you have referenced, which is why i questioned it | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:13:38] <tlwoerner> (i.e. replied to it in email) | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:14:08] <tlwoerner> mcfrisk: what MACHINE? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:14:22] <mcfrisk> genericarm64 | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:16:47] <RP> mcfrisk: wouldn't the classes/recipes that need it handle that? | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:17:17] <RP> hmm, poky-tiny failed on debian11 after passing on debian12 | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:20:20] <mcfrisk> RP: ok then they need to move writes to WORKDIR or adjust PSEUDO_INCLUDE_PATHS, preferably former. sstate cache cleaning for affected recipes is needed since qa check for non-root files is run later | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:22:30] <RP> mcfrisk: which location are the things you're thinking of using? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:26:06] <mcfrisk> RP: not sure yet. Just ran into issues with meta-arm recipes with my change so I suspect they may need tweaks for dtb/dtc etc tooling. I should find time to try master-next.. | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:28:49] <RP> anything building on debian11 breaks :/ | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:44:36] <sunkist> Bitbake doesn't have a bit torrent fetcher. It would bring a nice performance boost for some large assets, so I thought about writing one. My biggest practical challenge is how to format the URL. | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:45:13] <sunkist> A torrent file for an Ubuntu ISO is 263 KB, not easily encoded into a SRC_URI. | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:48:07] <rburton> would be simple enough to just have the torrent file itself be a local file | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:48:17] <rburton> or a pointer to the remote torrent file | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:48:37] <rburton> eg torrent://releases.ubuntu.com/25.04/ubuntu-25.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:48:54] <sunkist> rburton: Yes, store the torrent file a local file in the recipe, then have a SRC_URI of torrent://localfile.torrent | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:49:07] <rburton> pointing _at_ the remote torrent would be the obvious answer imho | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:50:02] <sunkist> rburton: I'm trying to work out how I can disambiguate local and remote torrentfiles. That is, if the SRC_URI begins with http://, we know to do a wget fetch. But if it begins with torrent://, how do we know whether to do a local or an http fetch? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:50:28] <sunkist> torrent://http://remote.com/file.torrent | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:50:40] <sunkist> torrent://local://my-local.torrent | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:51:06] <sunkist> looks messy! | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:51:34] <qschulz> random thought but maybe something similar to handling tarballs which you can compress or not? similar to patches that are fetched and then applied in a later stage? | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:51:42] <qschulz> s/compress/decompress | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:52:05] <rburton> torrent://releases.ubuntu.com/25.04/ubuntu-25.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent would be the same as torrent://releases.ubuntu.com/25.04/ubuntu-25.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent;protocol=https but with implicit protocol, so you could also do torrent://./foo;protocol=file | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:52:18] <rburton> (same as the git fetcher) | ||
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| [2025-05-07 13:55:42] <qschulz> rburton: meh, you wouldn't benefit from the wget fetcher easily | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:55:49] <qschulz> e.g. with authentication and all | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:56:05] <qschulz> mmmm, but that remark would apply to the git fetcher too | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:56:15] <qschulz> so I'll stop commenting now as I don't know what I'm talking about :) | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:56:47] <svuorela> a | ||
| [2025-05-07 13:56:55] <svuorela> woops | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:04:29] <sunkist> rburton: the protocol=[file|http] seems a lot cleaner. If protocol is unspecified, the fetcher could infer the right behavior (if it smells like an https URL try that first) | ||
| [2025-05-07 14:05:04] <sunkist> Then the SRC_URI[sha256sum] would be the hash of the .torrent file (because the torrent itself may deliver many files) | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:13:37] <RP> Looks like the question is around /dev, that I made rootfs work but not sdk or esdk | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:21:52] <mcfrisk> tlwoerner: sorry, I was wrong, the last linker flag " -Wl,-z,gcs-report-dynamic=none" does work. "-Wl,-z,gcs-compliant=all" did not. will reply to list... | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:31:50] <tlwoerner> mcfrisk: ah good. my builds with genericarm64 were confirming the same thing (and i was wondering why mine succeeds when yours didn't, but all good now) | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:46:28] <sunkist> I assume using a pure python client like pybittorrent (MIT) is preferable to shelling out to `transmission'? | ||
| [2025-05-07 14:48:16] <rburton> either works, a python client library is likely a better choice for integration/reliability | ||
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| [2025-05-07 14:53:32] <qschulz> pybittorrent last release was 2 and half years ago though there was some commit a year ago | ||
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| [2025-05-07 15:13:28] <khem> tlwoerner:I think it is a solution we can apply to systemd since its build is pedantic, I was thinking if we need it globally, but it seems we don't, default is to warn and thats ok unless a build system treats warnings as errors like systemd does | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:16:50] <rburton> yeah its specific to systemd | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:17:14] <rburton> i'm chasing the right people to get openssl patched to solve this at root too | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:17:44] <khem> rburton: I think thats good. | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:18:10] <khem> this problem will be in many other places to fix | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:18:34] <rburton> well, the linker warning is correct. its dumb to enforce fatal-warnings. | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:18:40] <khem> maybe look at world build for the gcs warnings from linker | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:18:57] <rburton> the warnings will be everywhere, yes | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:19:11] <khem> yeah its is right and it should be fixed, I am saying its not just libcrypto.so | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:22:17] <khem> other places it might be happening too but its a warning by default so builds will not fail | ||
| [2025-05-07 15:22:47] <khem> RP:I sent couple of patches which should help with clang image-size/compile-time situation | ||
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| [2025-05-07 19:28:39] <tlwoerner> d'oh, i should have added a bunch of CCs to that oecore patch for gcs | ||
| [2025-05-07 19:29:07] <tlwoerner> thanks, rburton, for the patch description body :-) | ||
| [2025-05-07 19:29:35] <rburton> ha | ||
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| [2025-05-07 22:56:10] <tlwoerner> and thanks to khem for the actual flag | ||
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