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| [2025-05-12 08:06:48] <toric> Looks like scarthgap is messed up with gcc15. Whats the 'accepted' way to tell yocto to use the command `gcc-14` instead of just `gcc` | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:10:43] <toric> tried setting `export BUILD_CFLAGS = "${BUILD_CPPFLAGS} ${BUILD_OPTIMIZATION} -std=gnu17"` in local.conf, but that seems to break the gmp build. | ||
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| [2025-05-12 08:12:54] <PeterM> Yocto IRC logs (http://irc.yoctoproject.org/irc/) are not being updated for more than a month now. | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:12:55] <PeterM> Is this already known by site admins? Could it be fixed? | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:23:55] <yocton> toric: In scarthgap, gcc is in 13.3.0 (gcc 15 is only on master for now). Are you sure you are on your expected branches? | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:24:15] <toric> for the native recipies, it seems to use the system gcc | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:24:42] <yocton> toric: ah yes, then you use an unsuported host distribution :( | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:25:33] <yocton> toric: supported distros : https://docs.yoctoproject.org/5.0.9/ref-manual/system-requirements.html#supported-linux-distributions | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:25:36] <toric> yocton: yup, arch. Been using it with yocto for years, guesss not long enough to see a new C version come out with gcc. | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:25:59] <toric> Guess I try building in docker. | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:27:53] <toric> I saw some patches to fix building with gcc15: https://patchwork.yoctoproject.org/project/oe-core/patch/20250319214213.2505249-4-raj.khem@gmail.com/ , will these be backported to scarthgap? | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:28:01] <yocton> toric: yeah, gcc15 does change the default C std used (gnu17 -> gnu23). | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:29:00] <yocton> toric: I would guess not : a lot of gcc15 fixes are upgrades that are not possible under LTS policy | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:29:04] <toric> yocton: Have been having some sucess with adding `BUILD_CPPFLAGS += " -std=gnu17 "` to things, working my way through it, one bbappend at a time. | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:31:25] <yocton> toric: You may have better luck installing the buildtools. But, personnaly, I would just use a container | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:31:58] <toric> Prob a more reliable way to go. | ||
| [2025-05-12 08:41:37] <LetoThe2nd> When you debug a board stuck in "maintenance shell" just to find out the kernel last have FAT enabled and therefore can't mount the /boot partition. | ||
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| [2025-05-12 09:20:32] <RP> PeterM: I'd suggest an email to helpdesk@yoctoproject.org | ||
| [2025-05-12 09:21:51] <RP> toric: buildtools should work. We have taken fixes for this kind of thing back to LTS branches before but it all depends how invasive they are. This gcc change was pretty invasive :( | ||
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| [2025-05-12 09:44:02] <toric> does build tools scatter files all over the host system? how easy is it to clean up once I no longer need it? RP: | ||
| [2025-05-12 09:49:47] <RP> toric: all in a single directory | ||
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| [2025-05-12 10:14:29] <toric> RP: great! | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:37:16] <toric> Hmm, buildtools installer fails with `Setting it up...*** buffer overflow detected ***: terminated`... | ||
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| [2025-05-12 10:40:22] <RP> toric: that seems quite bad :( | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:40:31] <derRichard> hello :-) | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:41:01] <derRichard> yocto does not --compress-debug-sections=, right? i wonders how to reduce the size of (installed) debug packages | ||
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| [2025-05-12 10:41:17] <toric> Yup, no clue what could be causing it, imma just go with a debian distrobox container for now, might explore it a bit when im not under a time crunch. (which in a startup, might be never :( ) | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:41:44] <RP> derRichard: I know we've experimented, I can't remember what we default to now though | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:42:16] <RP> toric: this is on an arch system, 64bit x86 I assume? | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:42:25] <toric> RP: yes. | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:42:36] <RP> toric: just wondering how we could try and reproduce it to debug | ||
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| [2025-05-12 10:44:13] <derRichard> RP: ok :) | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:44:45] <toric> RP: That would be appreciated, but as im not on a supported distro, I understand if you dont put a ton of effort into it. | ||
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| [2025-05-12 10:46:49] <RP> toric: I'm just a bit concerned it is hitting a buffer overflow :/ | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:47:19] <toric> RP: Fair. I assume the buildtools installer is a short C program? | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:47:32] <toric> If its not C or C++, even more worrying, lol. | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:53:03] <rburton> derRichard: i believe it Just Works if you enable it, if you care about installed size of debug. or there's minidebuginfo | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:54:54] <rburton> i deinitely experimented with that but can't find it in my worklog. curse past me. | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:55:00] <derRichard> rburton: build runs, we'll see :) | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:55:37] <rburton> derRichard: https://maskray.me/blog/2022-01-23-compressed-debug-sections has interesting commentary | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:56:11] <RP> toric: it does things using patchelf which is where I suspect the issues might be | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:57:18] <derRichard> rburton: thx! | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:57:43] <Saur> RP: I'm looking at packagegroup.bbclass. At the end, there is an anonymous Python function that validates `VIRTUAL-RUNTIME_init_manager`. I realize this was added in 2013 and things were a lot different them, but wouldn't it make sense to move this to, e.g., sanity.bbclass instead? Having it in packagegroup.bbclass seems very odd. | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:58:48] <RP> Saur: that does look like it should move. The world was different then | ||
| [2025-05-12 10:59:43] <Saur> RP: Ok. I'll see what happens if I move it... | ||
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| [2025-05-12 15:41:35] <khem> derRichard:compressed debug info did break reproducibility at some point few years ago, things might be different today | ||
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| [2025-05-12 16:01:26] <derRichard> khem: interesting. depends on the compressor, i guess? | ||
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| [2025-05-12 16:05:31] <khem> yeah | ||
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| [2025-05-12 16:26:23] <derRichard> khem: maybe because gcc or clang compress multithreaded? | ||
| [2025-05-12 16:26:57] <derRichard> for a single threaded context zlib or zstd should be deterministic, hmmm | ||
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| [2025-05-12 16:53:31] <khem> I did not debug it deep enough to know more details | ||
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| [2025-05-12 17:11:44] <rburton> seven weeks after mailing NVD some CPE updates, I got a reply | ||
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| [2025-05-12 17:16:51] <derRichard> :-S | ||
| [2025-05-12 17:27:30] <khem> snail mail | ||
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| [2025-05-12 20:15:23] <khem> if I run meta-python-image-ptest-python3-pyzmq as part of meta-python-image-ptest-all then it fails occasionally, but if I run it individually it works all the time. This is wave-particle duality in practice I guess :) | ||
| [2025-05-12 20:15:56] <khem> somehow it knows it is being observed in second case | ||
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