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| Guest6 | can I use overrides on varflags? as in `do_compile[depends]:foo += "foo-only-dependency"` | 01:51 |
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| Guest82 | Hi everyone, can anyone please tell me if this would work in "walnascar" ? SRC_URI += "file://abc;subdir=git/aa/ab/bc/". Thanks a lot | 07:09 |
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| rburton | RP: pro-tip: don't set number of parse threads to 1 | 08:50 |
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| RP | rburton: heh, what does that do? :) | 08:54 |
| RP | rburton: I did fix master-next so I'm curious if it performs better/worse btw | 08:54 |
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| Guest18 | I have a project and it normally uses gcc instead of clang. But, it needs clang when building a thing. Is adding clang-native to DEPENDS the right approach for this? | 09:06 |
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| mcfrisk | Guest18: see TOOLCHAIN variable | 09:10 |
| RP | mcfrisk: it sounds like Guest18 may need both | 09:10 |
| Guest18 | gcc is used throughout the project, but they use clang to build something external. Do I still need toolchain = “clang”? I guess I don't need to add it as toolchain if the clang-native i will add to depends solves the problem, right? | 09:12 |
| RP | Guest18: I'd add the DEPENDS and try that, yes | 09:13 |
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| Guest18 | mcfrisk RP thanks | 09:13 |
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| Guest18 | Is the addition of clang to oe-core something new? It seems like it wasn't there in previous versions and we were using meta-clang. | 09:20 |
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| RP | Guest18: new and still being worked out in places | 09:42 |
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| rburton | RP: just takes a very long time :) | 09:52 |
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| rburton | RP: i did a graph https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EilMENi6/Screenshot%202025-07-08%20at%2011.11.24.png | 10:11 |
| rburton | do any of the AB workers have huge core counts? | 10:12 |
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| RP | rburton: arm workers have 80 | 10:17 |
| RP | rburton: it looks like that hits limits with hyperthreading (or whatever the arm equiv is)? | 10:18 |
| rburton | the altra doesn't have hyperthreading thank you very much | 10:19 |
| rburton | (this was on my altramax, 128 cores) | 10:19 |
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| rburton | had to re-run a few iterations as hyperfine noticed outliers, its a smoother curve now | 10:21 |
| rburton | i endorse hyperfine for this sort of thing | 10:21 |
| rburton | $ hyperfine --runs 3 --prepare "rm -rf cache; bitbake -m" -L threads 4,8,16,32,64 "BB_NUMBER_PARSE_THREADS={threads} bitbake -p" | 10:22 |
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| rburton | erm should bitbake -pP crash the cooker? | 10:23 |
| RP | rburton: it would be interesting to find out where that bottlenecks | 10:23 |
| RP | rburton: I'm suspicous that it is at half the core count | 10:24 |
| rburton | yeah, i was actually going to try and use tg4perfetto to write logs that the perfetto viewer can display | 10:24 |
| RP | rburton: The -P option may show something in the parsing profile | 10:24 |
| rburton | File "/usr/lib/python3.12/threading.py", line 1010, in run | 10:25 |
| rburton | self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs) | 10:25 |
| rburton | File "/home/rosbur01/Yocto/poky/bitbake/lib/bb/server/process.py", line 427, in idle_thread | 10:25 |
| rburton | ret = profile.Profile.runcall(prof, self.idle_thread_internal) | 10:25 |
| rburton | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 10:25 |
| rburton | File "/usr/lib/python3.12/cProfile.py", line 109, in runcall | 10:25 |
| rburton | self.enable() | 10:25 |
| rburton | ValueError: Another profiling tool is already active | 10:25 |
| RP | rburton: did master-next make it better/worse/same ? | 10:25 |
| rburton | i didnt try next yet, i'll do that now | 10:25 |
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| Guest9 | fatal error: 'bits/syscall-32.h' file not found | 11:14 |
| Guest9 | | 23 | #include <bits/syscall-32.h> | 11:14 |
| Guest9 | Isn't it glibc header? Added to glibc to DEPENDS but still complain. | 11:14 |
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| JaMa | isn't it from native build? e.g. target nodejs build will use -m32 to build native mksnapshot when building for 32bit target MACHINEs | 11:20 |
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| Guest53 | how do one use "subdir" in "walnascar"? In scrathgap, it used to work like this SRC_URI += "file://abc;subdir=git/aa/ab/bc/". | 11:30 |
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| Guest9 | Guest53 I don't know how to use but just fetch oe-core(walnascar) and meta-oe(walnascar) and grep "subdir=" then check recipes how they use. | 11:32 |
| Guest53 | Guest9 thank you very much | 11:33 |
| rburton | RP: marginally slower | 11:34 |
| rburton | RP: actually i might have done that with the wrong branch | 11:34 |
| rburton | running again | 11:35 |
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| rburton | RP: slightly faster for middling number of threads (4-16), otherwise the same. for 8 threads, 76s vs 62s | 12:27 |
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| rburton | after 32 threads, its faster by a couple of seconds | 12:28 |
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| RP | rburton: ok, cool. That should be due to better load balancing | 12:28 |
| rburton | RP: its just build/cache to remove if i want to benchmark the parse, right? not build/tmp/cache too? | 12:30 |
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| RP | rburton: correct, although it does mean you won't include the initial "codeparser" hit but that generally just works | 12:54 |
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| JPEW | RP, rburton : Random guess that the limit is how quickly the results can be written back through the queue to the main thread | 13:55 |
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| rburton | tried to glue some perfetto logging into the parser but the only library i can find to do that easily isn't actually very good | 14:10 |
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| RP | JPEW: that would be my guess too | 14:12 |
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| rburton | meta-python-image-ptest.bb seems to take 20s to parse | 14:16 |
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| rburton | all the ptest recipes take about 20s to parse | 14:18 |
| JPEW | There do seem to be a few long tails | 14:18 |
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| JPEW | On advantage of the "pass the list" option is that we could potentially sort it if there was a good heuristic to put the longer parsing items at the front? | 14:19 |
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| RP | rburton: the ptest recipes are really slow | 14:19 |
| RP | rburton: they get parsed as one unit hence the time delay | 14:20 |
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| RP | JPEW: I did try moving the ptest ones first and it does help. I needed the queue piece before that would really help though | 14:20 |
| rburton | yeah, good to know they're the cause for the tail though :) | 14:20 |
| RP | I did check that! | 14:21 |
| RP | The current patch at least allows things after them to be cleared | 14:21 |
| rburton | i must be doing something wrong with the perfetto log generation as it claims that only five parser threads actually do work | 14:23 |
| RP | rburton: I don't quite believe that :/ | 14:24 |
| rburton | no me neither | 14:24 |
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| JPEW | RP: Sent the patch that just does the shared counter | 15:42 |
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| RP | JPEW: thanks | 15:55 |
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| rburton | in my testing the shared counter patch is actually a little bit faster | 16:11 |
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| RP | rburton: from JPEW's description, it should be nicer | 16:19 |
| rburton | its marginal, but its also neater code :) | 16:21 |
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| RP | rburton: yes, it works in a nicer way too, less horrible queue processes | 16:23 |
| rburton | its scaling exactly the same as the patches that were in next earlier today | 16:23 |
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| RP | rburton: I suspect it is the same bottleneck of the return queue | 16:24 |
| RP | rburton: A bb.warn(len(pending)) in there could be interesting, see how much it backlogs | 16:25 |
| rburton | i'm so tempted to write a better perfetto library for py and let us throw a load of tracing data into bitbake | 16:25 |
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| LetoThe2nd | rburton: can't AI do that? | 16:34 |
| Crofton | NO EMOJIS | 16:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | Crofton: You all know I ❤️ you right? 📣😁 | 16:38 |
| Crofton | lol | 16:38 |
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| rburton | khem: why does clang/common.inc set BPN=clang? | 17:08 |
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| khem | rburton: It was for multilib builds but it perhaps should be in bb file | 17:19 |
| khem | RP: is there a worker which has buildtools tarball preinstalled | 17:20 |
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| JPEW | rburton: I did a stupid hack to make it "remember" the parsing time for files and then sort them longest to shortest next time parsing runs | 19:35 |
| JPEW | It didn't make much different for core, but core also doesn't have a lot of long parses | 19:35 |
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| JPEW | Or rather, it has one 15 second parse, and the rest are < 1 second | 19:35 |
| rburton | yeah my testing is with meta-oe also which has a few magic ptest recipes | 19:38 |
| JPEW | rburton: I'll try that | 19:39 |
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| JPEW | It makes very little difference; about 500ms | 19:42 |
| JPEW | which, is not terribly suprising given how short the short parses are | 19:42 |
| rburton | well viztracer looks interesting: profiling tool that uses perfetto for display and lets you add custom events easily from code | 19:43 |
| rburton | something to try tomorrow morning to actually break down time usage in the parse | 19:44 |
| rburton | i'm also interested in why 'loading cache' takes 3 seconds on my 128 core machine with 256gb ram and nvme storage | 19:44 |
| rburton | RP: good news! i think i've managed to rip lldb out of the clang recipe | 19:45 |
| rburton | a few ugly bits but i'll post a WIP branch with metrics tomorrow morning | 19:45 |
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| rburton | https://github.com/joblib/loky could be interesting if anyone considers rewriting some guts of bitbake :) | 19:57 |
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| RP | khem: I've sent a patch which adds a sanity test for this bad configuration. You can reproduce it by installing emacs on ubuntu 24.04 | 22:19 |
| RP | khem: now we know the issue and can detect it and warn users, we can correct the workers | 22:19 |
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