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| khem | rburton: not that crazy | 04:23 |
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| khem | there are products shipping with TOOLCHAIN=clang | 04:23 |
| khem | RP:I can volunteer | 04:23 |
| khem | RP: perhaps better to build a poky-clang config now that clang is in core instead of meta-clang | 04:25 |
| khem | that will help a lot to make clang graduate as core compiler | 04:25 |
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| mbulut | landgraf, interesting post about umoci -- does it support signing images (maybe using cosign or else)? | 05:05 |
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| landgraf | mbulut: I don't think Umoci does this. It generates OCI image and doesn't act as a registry or something. The image can be pushed to the registry and signed but it's out of scope afaik | 06:52 |
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| mbulut | landgraf, yeah that makes sense | 06:54 |
| mbulut | i'm impressed by the image size comparison | 06:54 |
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| mbulut | wonder where this comes from tbh, is it down to how the image is composed/layered or does it use better compression than podman? have you compared against images built with docker buildx? | 06:57 |
| mbulut | in our product we deploy images built elsewhere using docker buildx by pulling+saving them as compressed tarballs | 07:00 |
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| landgraf | mbulut: it doesn't have package management, default dependencies bloat, caches etc etc some of our containers don't have shell/busybox | 07:13 |
| landgraf | mbulut: blog post mentions opencv, just take a look how opencv packaged in pip (and even worse - check the packages which depend on it, it's pain!). | 07:15 |
| landgraf | ultralytics depends on opencv-python which doesn't work without OpenGL libraries, opencv-python-headless does work but it does't satisfy ultralytics dependency. then we have opencv-contrib-python-headless which add more levels of complecity. There're workarounds for this but they're ugly | 07:17 |
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| mbulut | hmm ok i seem to get it -- sounds like an interesting alternative to buildx, although multiarch builds seem a bit more involved with umoci | 07:26 |
| mbulut | will take a deeper look later, thx for sharing the blog! | 07:27 |
| landgraf | Ñwe use x86 + jetson (ith meta-tegra). using meta-virt solves a lot of issues like this one: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/pypi-jetson-ai-lab-dev-is-down-again/338358 | 07:27 |
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| berton | Hi! I want to backport this commit https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/include/uapi/linux/cn_proc.h?&id=9258d795978f398ecf2d222a8388cff81d37d34d to linux-libc-headers_6.6.bb recipe on scarthgap branch. Is the process just to add the .patch file in SRC_URI, or is there a different process for linux-libc-headers? | 10:01 |
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| rburton | yeah just add the patch for libc-headers | 10:12 |
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| berton | rburton: Thanks! | 10:14 |
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| berton | RP: Do you have any feedback on this topic https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/topic/113437161#msg218486? | 10:15 |
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| RP | berton: adding more variables isn't really going to help make that area of the code more usable :( | 10:23 |
| berton | RP: Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this? So I can try other ways. | 10:26 |
| RP | berton: it needs a step back to look at all of those variables and a plan on how to improve things | 10:26 |
| mbulut | wouldn't you specify the fs blocksize as --mkfs-extraopts in the wks? could that be queried when calculating the rootfs size? | 10:27 |
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| berton | I'm not using wic, we have other tool to create the image, I'm just creating the .ext4 | 10:28 |
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| fray | I recently found a recipe that was downloading in do_compile (by chance), I'm looking for instructions on enabling the network access block outside of do_fetch. Anyone have pointers to how to set this up? | 14:15 |
| Scorpi | fray: add do_compile[network] = "1" to your recipe | 14:17 |
| fray | no I want the opposite | 14:19 |
| fray | downloading in do_compile is wrong and broken | 14:19 |
| fray | but my system isn't reporting it, and I need to know how to configure the code to be enabled | 14:20 |
| Scorpi | It should be the default. But depending on your build environment it might not work e.g. due to missing privileges | 14:21 |
| fray | that is exactly the information I need. what privileges are required and how do I enable them | 14:21 |
| fray | I haven't found any docs on this yet | 14:22 |
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| Scorpi | It is CAP_NET_ADMIN IIRC | 14:24 |
| smurray | fray: iirc, you need network namespace creation permission. I think I managed to come up with a test with unshare -n | 14:26 |
| fray | you also apparently can't be using a network user-id. There is a specific check in bitbake for local ids only | 14:28 |
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| Scorpi | fray: if you invoke bitbake with -D or --debug, you should see a like "System doesn't support disabling network without admin privs" if this privilege is missing | 14:32 |
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| RP | fray: it is disabled by default if your host distro supports it | 14:37 |
| fray | RP thats the problem it's definitely not working and I don't know what I need to adjust. I found in the code it cehcks in the uid is local or not. so I've created a local user | 14:39 |
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| rburton | yeah i'm annoyed as my build machine uses kerberos so i don't get network isolation | 14:40 |
| fray | that is what I'm fighting right now as well | 14:42 |
| rburton | i've been meaning to nuke the check and seeing if it actually breaks | 14:42 |
| fray | under our IT policy, we are required to use the network login crap, so I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a local user (who isn't me) | 14:43 |
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| RP | the issues were reported by windriver iirc, there might be more detail in the commit | 14:43 |
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| fray | I just took a hammer to it and disabled the network uid check and I'm going to see what happens | 14:47 |
| Scorpi | I build inside podman and it works | 14:47 |
| fray | I also changed the couldn't start system doesn't support disabling the network message into a fatal error.. :P | 14:48 |
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| chris_laplante | Just joined the tech sync meeting, as a fly on the wall :) | 15:00 |
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| RP | chris_laplante: FWIW I think that sigmask change should be backportable | 15:01 |
| chris_laplante | RP: ok, thx! I'll work on the backport(s) | 15:02 |
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| rburton | RP: oh i should have said i wanted to get the llvm/clang split out for m3 | 15:39 |
| rburton | fray: well blasting the local user check doesn't _immediately_ break for me. doing a build to see if any recipes explode. | 15:39 |
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| fray | everything has worked for me so far | 15:42 |
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| fray | about to make the 'we've blocked the network' into an info or something so I can see without havign to enable debug. debug is far too verbose for me to figure out what is actually happening for this one case | 15:42 |
| rburton | RP khem: "what if poky-altcfg picked clang": https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/9/builds/2104 | 15:42 |
| fray | but it does seem to be working for me.. it correctly blocked the download in the recipe I was fighting.. so I can now check things | 15:43 |
| RP | fray: perhaps try it where it needs to download something in do_fetch? There was some reason this was problematic | 15:43 |
| fray | do_fetch worked fine.. fresh build, no local downloads.. so it had to download a bunch of things (uninative, gcc sources, etc) | 15:45 |
| fray | but it was another cmake recipe that figured "hey lets just download while building..." stupid | 15:45 |
| RP | fray: we definitely want to catch those ones... | 15:46 |
| rburton | fray: always cmake | 15:46 |
| fray | ya, it wasn't in any OE or YP recipes.. was in something else.. and last night we had a network glitch for about 15 minutes during the build and it triggered a failure.. which is why I'm following up on it now | 15:46 |
| rburton | fray: i'd love to figure out a way to automatically extract the externalproject data | 15:47 |
| fray | How about we all collectively just ban the use of cmake and tell people to "do better" | 15:47 |
| fray | look automake/autoconf sucks.. but man it feels like it sucks far less then all of the cmake trash I have to deal with daily | 15:47 |
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| rburton | that would be nice | 15:48 |
| fray | rburton: maybe that is the key.. some sort of QA check that runs after/part of do_configure that loosk for externalproject crap and reports it | 15:48 |
| rburton | fray: our cmake class shoud be telling it to just fail to fetch anyway. is your recipe using the class, or calling cmake directly? | 15:49 |
| rburton | we pass -DFETCHCONTENT_FULLY_DISCONNECTED=ON | 15:49 |
| rburton | or your cmake crazy does curl or something instead of using fetchcontent | 15:50 |
| fray | ros 2 crap, looks like it has it's own cmake crazy-ness | 15:51 |
| rburton | at least file a bug to get them to use fetchcontent | 15:51 |
| fray | I have 100% seen cmake run curl before.. but in this case, it's an externalproject | 15:51 |
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| rburton | ah we're missing EP_UPDATE_DISCONNECTED too, maybe | 15:53 |
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| kanavin | sadly at some point c++ community decided that cmake is the only build system they want and need | 15:54 |
| rburton | try adding -DEP_UPDATE_DISCONNECTED=OFF to the cmake flags and seeing if that breaks in a slightly better way | 15:54 |
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| rburton | it _should_ make externalproject say that its refusing to update and break nicely | 15:54 |
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| rburton | khem: can you look at ross/llvm in poky-contrib and see if you're happy with everything in there? | 17:34 |
| fray | rburton: above the EP_UPDATE_DISCONNECTED should this be =ON or =OFF? I think ON | 17:35 |
| rburton | fray: i'm actually unsure it is a global variable but yes ON, sorry | 17:36 |
| fray | the cmake docs say it's global | 17:36 |
| fray | and 'UPDATE_DISCONNECTED' is based on that unless overridden in the cmake files | 17:36 |
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| fray | rburton: I tried it with this recipe with both =ON and =OFF the only thing that stopped the download was the CAP NET stuff being disabled | 17:46 |
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| fray | rburton / RP, I looked at the is_local_uid thing, the comment in the commit is it fixes and issue with NIS/yp. Since I'm using ldap, and Ross you said kerberos.. we likely are not going to his this issue.. | 17:50 |
| fray | only thing I can think of is another patch that lets you set a value and always enable (or disable) this check instead of look for it | 17:51 |
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| khem | rburton: good deal ! w.r.t. poky-altcfg + clang, I am not surprised | 18:23 |
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| khem | rburton: looked into ross/llvm: Overall the patches are not that concerning, one clang-cross: trim the recipes, perhaps needs a bit of testing especially with DISTROs using clang as default compiler, lld split and symlinking <cross-lld> in clang-cross might need to check if lld is built or not | 18:32 |
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| rburton | added a check for lld existing, i was lazy and happy with dangling links before ;) | 19:10 |
| rburton | firing a sato with clang as default to triple check | 19:10 |
| khem | rburton: OK, sounds good | 19:10 |
| khem | also add ld-is-lld to DISTRO_FEATURES | 19:11 |
| khem | on your branch I saw patch enabling ccache for hosttools, thats interesting, do you have reports on how much time it saves | 19:12 |
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| rburton | khem: I CAN BUILD CLANG-NATIVE IN FIFTEEN SECONDS | 19:34 |
| rburton | (when the cache is entirely hit) | 19:38 |
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| khem | Interesting | 20:44 |
| khem | rburton: I have grafted your branch into kraj/clang-21 | 20:45 |
| khem | lets see what explodes | 20:45 |
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| khem | rburton: https://termbin.com/qy8a | 21:47 |
| khem | that with ld-is-lld in distro features | 21:47 |
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| khem | https://termbin.com/exlf lets me progress but then we have to express that dependency somewhere | 23:17 |
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