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| walter | I have a question about patches. I'm about to send v3 of a small patch I've made, but the original commit name no longer makes sense since the latest patch is more generic. How do I proceed? do I just add `-v3` and change the commit message and description? Or do I add a cover letter with the old commit message subject and v3? | 10:07 |
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| paulbarker | walter: Re-write the commit message, include notes under the fold (the "---" line) on what has changed | 10:43 |
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| paulbarker | e.g. where I've wrote "Changes in v2" in https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251103-fix-pseudo-native-v2-1-67564bcaff0f@pbarker.dev/ | 10:44 |
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| walter | I've been doing that, but if v2 and v3, have totally different messages, it's hard for someone to find the related messages. Or is there some magic in `git am` that makes my new commit somehow linked to the old mailing list message thread? | 10:46 |
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| walter | I used to have this problem when working on the gioui mailing list, but there I was basically the only one active for a long time, so it wasn't a problem to find the previous version, on OE-core, it's impossible to find something. | 10:47 |
| walter | Oh, you have link there. Ok. | 10:49 |
| walter | So, basically, I just add this for link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251029135419.12883-1-contact@schnwalter.eu/ | 10:50 |
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| walter | I was looking at more exotic things like: `git branch --edit-description` and then use `--cover-from-description` | 10:53 |
| walter | Which are mentioned in the docs. | 10:53 |
| paulbarker | walter: I use b4 to manage my branches, it adds the links automatically :) | 10:56 |
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| paulbarker | I need to make an updated demo of how to use that for Yocto Project work | 10:56 |
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| walter | I just switchted to b4. So I ran `b4 am $URL` then `git am $PATCH`. Is this the corret start? Can I now just make my changes and submit them? | 11:00 |
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| walter | seems to be the correct start: https://b4.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/maintainer/am-shazam.html | 11:01 |
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| paulbarker | walter: Yea, it's really useful! https://b4.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/contributor/prep.html is the bit about preparing and patches for submission | 11:03 |
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| paulbarker | It took me a couple of goes to adapt to it as a new way of doing things, but I find I'm now much less likely to lose notes from cover letters and changes | 11:04 |
| rburton | i really should use b4 prep | 11:05 |
| walter | thanks | 11:05 |
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| walter | hm... the vim highlight of commit subject is strange. the Kernel docs mention a length of 75, I went exactly with 75, but the highlight seems to suggest 50 characters. well I hope it works well in the end. | 11:08 |
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| rburton | 50 is for the first line | 11:11 |
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| walter | looks like b4 doesn't like using a non standard `core.commentChar` git config. Looks like I have some work to do. | 11:39 |
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| walter | Pfew, it "only" took about 2 hours to send a patch... | 12:05 |
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| walter | Time to treat myself to a pizza :) | 12:21 |
| jmd | I want to make a recipe, which produces an auxilliary file, not installed in my image. What tasks should I use to do that? (and which should I not use)? | 12:22 |
| paulbarker | jmd: You probably want the deploy bbclass: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/classes.html#deploy | 12:26 |
| walter | you can add your own task, see line 48: https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-rockchip/tree/recipes-bsp/u-boot/u-boot_%25.bbappend#n48 | 12:26 |
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| walter | (there's also a deploy append example in there) | 12:27 |
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| vmeson | tgamblin: https://people.cs.umass.edu/~emery/pubs/dthreads-sosp11.pdf DTHREADS, an efficient deterministic multithreading system for unmodified C/C++ applications that replaces the pthreads library | 15:10 |
| vmeson | Yikes, it's 13 years old: https://github.com/emeryberger/dthreads - I still like the idea... | 15:10 |
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| roussinm | A question about meta-secure-core best practices. We're trying to split dev and prod UEFI keys for security, but swapping them in the BIOS is a pain. What's the recommended workflow to avoid manual re-enrollment when developing? | 15:32 |
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| vmeson | Is anyone interested in working on cmake? https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16053 -- rburton would gladly give this bug away... | 15:43 |
| rburton | i promise not to judge anyone who says they like cmake | 15:43 |
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| rburton | in fact taking all the cmake bugs and getting fixes merged would likely result in me sending a prize! | 15:45 |
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| ww-wojtek | I have raised the bug (id=16053), so I am happy to raise a PR as well, although never done a yocto contrib so might get it all wrong :) | 17:22 |
| rburton | ww-wojtek: if you have a patch then please do send it, https://docs.yoctoproject.org/contributor-guide/submit-changes.html. a good commit message that explains why your changes are right is important. | 17:23 |
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| ww-wojtek | rburton: I'll try to do it over the weekend then | 17:26 |
| rburton | the SDKs are fun and complex, there's multilib SDKs to consider and how eSDK and SDK behave | 17:26 |
| rburton | so don't set a patch that says "fix paths" without a good explanation of why they're wrong and why the fix is correct :) | 17:26 |
| rburton | also, we have a test case that does cmake builds in SDKs, so the other question is how do they work. | 17:27 |
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| coolhp | Hi all. I'm new to the yocto project and am trying to learn the best I can. I do have a question that I couldnt find the answer to in the documentation : In Toaster, I created a project with qemux86_64 as my target. I added some extra layers like meta-networking and meta-multimedia. And yet, when I build an image (like core-image-minimal), none of those layers seem to be built or applied. What am I missing ? | 17:51 |
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| rburton | coolhp: you need to add specific packages to the image. you wouldn't want core-image-minimal to contain _every_ web server and database engine in those layers. | 17:58 |
| khem | coolhp: welcome to the brighter side :). core-image-minimal is self-contained in core layer, it does not need anything from other layers so those layers while present might be inert in this case | 17:58 |
| coolhp | I see. So even though I added those layers to my project, it really doesnt do anything until I build individual recipes and add them to my image. | 17:59 |
| coolhp | I'm just trying to understand the point of those layers. Is there any scenario where adding them to my config in Toaster actually does anything ? | 17:59 |
| khem | right, unless you do bitbake world | 18:00 |
| khem | which is basically building every recipe in every layer enabled in your project | 18:00 |
| khem | images are also recipes so they only build what they depend upon | 18:01 |
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| coolhp | I see. Thanks for the clarification ! I thought I was doing something wrong. I'm used to building custom distros that are based off of Debian so Yocto is a bit of a learning curve :P | 18:02 |
| khem | coolhp: no worries this room is quite helpful, so ask when you get stuck and if someone knows the answer they will reply | 18:03 |
| coolhp | I'm mostly interested in the ability to build an embedded environment that has some kind of software update capability. I saw that there was a meta-swupdate so I thought that adding the layer would add that feature to the image I built but its not that simple. | 18:04 |
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| rburton | coolhp: the layers provide functionality that you then need to use, and you may be building multiple images. your initramfs is just an image, does that need a web server or A/B updating engine built in? no it does not. but your rootfs will. | 18:06 |
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| coolhp | Ah ! I see ! so if I want to build a system that uses and initramfs before booting the minimal image, i need to build both the minimal image AND the initramfs image and they both generate different outputs. | 18:09 |
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| coolhp | I'm going to dig a bit further now that I get that part. I'll probably be back later with more questions :P | 18:10 |
| rburton | feel free :) there are presentations on youtube about using swupdate, fyi | 18:10 |
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| gmorell | PGPL-/w 2 | 18:53 |
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| LetoThe2nd | coolhp: also, check out meta-mender, and there's a lot of ready-to-build examples in meta-mender-community, like A/B updates to try on qemuarm64. FULL DISCLOSURE: I work for Mender :) | 19:49 |
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| coolhp | Hi LetoThe2nd. Thank you, I'll give it a try. | 19:50 |
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| khem | rburton: llvm main branch based recipes and hell breaks loose | 21:00 |
| khem | rust-native fails, mesa fails | 21:00 |
| khem | and these are API mismatches | 21:00 |
| rburton | well i'm not massively surprised | 21:01 |
| khem | I think thats why everyone have their own copy of llvm | 21:01 |
| rburton | we will need to coordinate upgrades, or rename it to llvm-21 and have multiple copies | 21:01 |
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| khem | that defeats the purpose | 21:02 |
| khem | I think we have signed up for more pain :) | 21:02 |
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| rburton | good news: plenty of other distros do the same as us, so we're in company | 21:06 |
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| khem | yeah I know, although thats sort of what we had before rust, mesa and clang started to share same copy of llvm | 21:08 |
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| khem | but we will see. Hopefully upstreams of these projects have better CI with llvm trunk | 21:10 |
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| khem | in other news, I have patches to completely use LLVM ( including crt and libgcc replaced ) runtime if one wished too | 21:11 |
| khem | will send it soon for next release consideration | 21:12 |
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| khem | bitbake nativesdk-libclc -ccleansstate && bitbake nativesdk-clang works and then I do bitbake meta-toolchain then it goes and cleans up nativesdk-clang and rebuilds it and fails | 21:21 |
| khem | whats special about meta-toolchain | 21:21 |
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| khem | I mean cleans up nativesdk-libclc and tries to rebuild it and then fails in nativesdk-libclc | 21:26 |
| khem | I was expecting it to not do that | 21:26 |
| khem | since it is just built | 21:26 |
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