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| RP_ | kanavin: we have a bit of a challenge running oe-selftest for some tests that change MACHINE/DISTRO after Qi's change. I have a workaround: https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-autobuilder-helper/commit/?h=master-next&id=f2ad7b3e3d7797e045ec557e7730653bf5a74810 but we may need to add some better mechanism as it won't work with bitbake-setup out the box | 10:05 |
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| kanavin | RP_, I'll take a look, need coffee first | 10:37 |
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| RP_ | I think there is also some kind of multiconfig memory resident issue lurking as even with the above fix, something is still failing | 11:14 |
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| kanavin | RP_, I'm available, just not sure where to start | 13:28 |
| RP_ | kanavin: the issue is that oe-selftest relies on being able to set MACHINE = or DISTRO = in the config files, which is incompatible if it has been set with fragments. | 13:31 |
| RP_ | kanavin: we either need to teach selftest to have a good way of setting the machine/distro with fragments, always, or, we teach it to unset the fragments in the isolated build directory it creats | 13:31 |
| kanavin | RP_, we should probably rework the selftest to set it with fragments? I can embark on that, just don't know how long time it will take | 13:31 |
| RP_ | kanavin: I think at this point we use my workaround above for release, then come back to this? | 13:32 |
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| kanavin | RP_, I think so too | 13:32 |
| RP_ | kanavin: the other bug with multiconfig and memres breaking is a more serious one and blocks everything | 13:32 |
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| RP_ | kanavin: I can reproduce that one but not sure what is going on yet | 13:33 |
| RP_ | kanavin: I'm not saying you should work on either, just saying these are the two more major issues i'm seeing right now | 13:34 |
| kanavin | RP_, I can | 13:37 |
| kanavin | if you need a second pair of eyes on the multiconfig/memres | 13:38 |
| kanavin | then I need to reproduce it first? | 13:38 |
| RP_ | kanavin: reproducer is easy. lib/oeqa/selftest/cases/archiver.py, put test_archiver_multiconfig_shared_unpack_and_patch and test_archiver_srpm_mode into a class Archiver2(OESelftestTestCase):, set BB_SERVER_TIMEOUT = "60" and then oe-selftest -r archiver.Archiver2 -j 2 | 13:40 |
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| kanavin | RP_, I get KeyError: 'mc1' with everything at master. I did not pull in the 'data_smart: Fix cache issues with noweakdefault getVar' patch from master-next. | 14:16 |
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| kanavin | First I need to learn how that data structure is managed. | 14:32 |
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| RP_ | kanavin: that is the issue. It is reparsing and thinks a multiconfig is still enabled when it no longer should be | 14:36 |
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| eduardootero | Hi again. Hope you are well. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | I am coming to with a question about a bunch of warnings I am getting when using meta-rauc layer. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | ... | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | I just tried to identify where they are coming from since the rauc bundles are being created successfully on my build, and PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader is actually configured properly in the local.conf. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | I am just trying to see if I can get rid of the "annoying" warnings, which seem to not interfere with the result I expect from the build (if I am not overlooking something...), but they are a bit annoying to see I get around 10/12 or those messages every time I build. | 14:48 |
| eduardootero | Thanks in advance. | 14:48 |
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| RP_ | kanavin: I can see why it breaks. I don't understand why it would start now though | 14:54 |
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| rber|res | Talking about bitbake-setup ;) Is there a standard to add something to bblayers.conf e.g OEROOT := "something"? | 14:59 |
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| rber|res | Also before bitbake-setup it was easy to change machine or distro in local.conf and rebuild. How would you do that now? | 15:00 |
| eduardootero | rber|res You mean a standard value to set to OEROOT? For example: OEROOT := "${TOPDIR}/../sources/poky" | 15:00 |
| rber|res | It looke like OEROOT is not set anymore by default | 15:00 |
| rber|res | bitbake-getvar OEROOT | 15:02 |
| rber|res | NOTE: Starting bitbake server... | 15:02 |
| rber|res | The variable 'OEROOT' is not defined | 15:02 |
| eduardootero | rber|res I think you are correct. The variable is intended to store the directory path containing the oe-init-build-env script. If I am not mistaken... | 15:03 |
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| rber|res | yes, but 3rd party layers might need it ;) | 15:06 |
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| eduardootero | rber|res true! I experienced the same as you for the 3rd party layer meta-phytec. | 15:09 |
| eduardootero | I just defined it manually into my local.conf to point to the path where the oe-init-build-env script was located. That solved the problem for me. | 15:09 |
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| rber|res | well, but local.conf is empty by default. Can you use a template for it somehow? | 15:11 |
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| rber|res | cat templateconf.cfg is empty | 15:17 |
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| RP_ | kanavin: somehow the cache isn't noticing the changes to selftest.inc | 15:25 |
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| kanavin | rber|res, third party layers should not be requiring a custom oe-init-build-env, and if they do, there's probably a better way | 16:52 |
| kanavin | that said, bitbake-setup could be extended to support a non-oe-core location if the use case is clearly presented | 16:53 |
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| kanavin | or I misunderstood what meta-phytec is trying to do | 16:58 |
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| rburton | kanavin: can you dump into 16072 your understanding of what the core gawk problem is? wondering if we should file an upstream bug or fix glibc/grub's build if they're non-deterministic now. other distros will be hitting this, surely. | 17:13 |
| kanavin | rburton, I don't have an understanding, just a deterministic reproducer for it. | 17:15 |
| rburton | that will do :) | 17:15 |
| rburton | just want to get the knowledge out of irc | 17:15 |
| kanavin | other distros will not be hitting it sadly, because they don't build against a zoo of gawk versions | 17:15 |
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| rburton | true | 17:15 |
| kanavin | I'll write it up | 17:15 |
| rber|res | @kabavin: I just need a variable which can be used to create keys or where to grab keys from. probably a relative path could work as well. At the moment it's OEROOT defined in bblayers.conf | 17:16 |
| rber|res | @<kanavin> sorry wrong name before ;) | 17:17 |
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| rber|res | Hmm shouldn't OEROOT be set to something by default? I will need to check this. | 17:19 |
| kanavin | rber|res, there's COREBASE, and there's THISDIR | 17:20 |
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| rber|res | @kanavin: is there a way with the bitbake-setup just to change distro or machine for a build like we did it before with local.conf without checking out all they layers again? | 17:30 |
| kanavin | rber|res, bitbake-config-build enable-fragment machine/xxx | 17:31 |
| kanavin | for any value of xxx | 17:31 |
| kanavin | alternatively, don't set machine or distro in the bitbake-setup's json config file, and do it after setting up a build | 17:32 |
| rber|res | OK thanks | 17:32 |
| jclsn | JPEW: What am I doing wrong here? https://0x0.st/KWei.txt | 17:33 |
| jclsn | This should be the normal poky layout, shouldn't it? | 17:33 |
| jclsn | But it is expecing the oe-init-build-env elsewhere | 17:34 |
| jclsn | ERROR: /home/jan/Workspace/Yocto/pizerow-satellite/oe-init-build-env not bound in container (File doesn't exist). | 17:34 |
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| JPEW | jclsn: Ya, let me look | 17:37 |
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| jclsn | There is a small error. I don't call the pyrex meta-pyrex. Just copied your steps from the docs | 17:38 |
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| JPEW | jclsn: I don't believe that matters | 17:39 |
| jclsn | JPEW: Yeah, I just wanted to point out that this is inconsistent in the example I've posted | 17:42 |
| rber|res | @<kanavin> sorry to keep on asking ;) Is there a way to enforce certain configurations only for certain distros? At the moment they seem to be decoupled. All combinations are possible. | 17:42 |
| kanavin | rber|res, put those configurations into distro definitions? | 17:43 |
| JPEW | Oh, you know what? The "normal" layout assumes you're putting things _in_ the poky repo, not beside it :) | 17:43 |
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| JPEW | That is probably unclear | 17:43 |
| kanavin | that's literally what distros are for | 17:43 |
| jclsn | JPEW: That is what I thought, but I don't like to do that | 17:43 |
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| jclsn | I also tried setting | 17:44 |
| JPEW | jclsn: Yes, that's fair. Just use the alterate layout instructions instead | 17:44 |
| jclsn | BITBAKEDIR="$(pwd)/poky/bitbake" | 17:44 |
| jclsn | OEROOT="$(pwd)/poky"JYY | 17:44 |
| jclsn | Without the JYY | 17:44 |
| JPEW | That should work I thin, let me test it | 17:44 |
| jclsn | Well, it does complete the init, but then no bitbake commands etc are available | 17:45 |
| JPEW | jclsn: This worked for me: | 17:46 |
| JPEW | $ PYREXCONFFILE=./pyrex.ini | 17:46 |
| JPEW | $ BITBAKEDIR=$(pwd)/poky/bitbake | 17:46 |
| JPEW | $ OEROOT=$(pwd)/poky | 17:46 |
| JPEW | $ . pyrex-init-build-env | 17:46 |
| JPEW | And bitbake works | 17:46 |
| kanavin | RP: Peter's patch is good. The question was whether --quiet option works when put either before or after enable-fragment, and it does. | 17:47 |
| RP | kanavin: great, thanks | 17:48 |
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| rber|res | @kanavin - Ah OK didn't know that I can do that - will give it a try. | 17:49 |
| jclsn | JPEW: Nope, no bitbake for me | 17:49 |
| jclsn | I only have | 17:49 |
| jclsn | PYREX_CONFIG_BIND=/home/jan/Workspace/Yocto/pizerow-satellite | 17:49 |
| jclsn | PYREXCONFFILE=/home/jan/Workspace/Yocto/pizerow-satellite/pyrex.ini | 17:49 |
| vermaete | strange, I must be doing wrong. But a normal core-image-base does boot in qemux86-64. But when adding python3-core to it, it is stuck at "Run /bin./sh as init process' | 17:50 |
| vermaete | Same when doing it for raspberry5 | 17:50 |
| jclsn | Ah wait, I put all the commands in a setup-script. I need to source it | 17:51 |
| jclsn | executed it | 17:51 |
| vermaete | no shared sstate is used. No ptest is enbled... | 17:51 |
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| vermaete | How to start debugging this? | 17:52 |
| jclsn | JPEW: Works now. Sorry, was a stupid mistake | 17:54 |
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| jclsn | I usually use a script like https://0x0.st/KWeS.sh | 17:55 |
| jclsn | I thought I needed to just execute it. Haven't done it in 9 months and forgot a lot of stuff | 17:55 |
| jclsn | I heard that there is going to be an official kas substitution soon? Would be nice if all the feature of kas and pyrex would converge in one tool | 17:56 |
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| JPEW | NP. | 17:57 |
| rburton | jclsn: bitbake-setup, see the mailing lists and new documentation and all the discussion in the weekly tech calls and the weekly status reports | 17:57 |
| rburton | its not the union of kas+pyrex | 17:57 |
| JPEW | I don't think bitbake-setup will replace pyrex anytime soon, but they should be able to coexist, although I've not tried that yet | 17:58 |
| jclsn | rburton: I am not in the mailing lists anymore | 17:58 |
| jclsn | Would be nice to dockerize everything. I usually build on Arch. Probably would work too, but it's nice to be sure, so I just use Pyrex | 17:59 |
| jclsn | Not sure if JSON is more readable, but definitely easier to parse ^^ | 18:00 |
| jclsn | Ah well, let me get into this once I work with Yocto professionally again | 18:01 |
| rburton | jclsn: it was also mentioned on the new and experimental discourse :) https://discussion.openembedded.org/t/bitbake-setup-and-the-future-of-poky-and-combo-layer/55/7 | 18:01 |
| jclsn | rburton: Sounds good. Were the concerns mostly licensing with KAS? | 18:02 |
| rburton | jclsn: you mean "why didn't we just copy kas?" | 18:03 |
| jclsn | No it says here https://sigma-star.at/blog/2025/10/the-evolving-landscape-of-yocto-project-setup-bitbake-setup-vs.-kas/?utm_source=chatgpt.com | 18:03 |
| jclsn | that the probems was that upstreaming to kas to integrate it better into the project was difficult | 18:03 |
| rburton | the kas maintainers have their own goals and requirements | 18:04 |
| rburton | some feature requests to kas have been rejected on the grounds that they don't match those goals | 18:04 |
| jclsn | I see | 18:05 |
| jclsn | I am still used to it though | 18:05 |
| rburton | personally, whatever. kas and pyrex still work, use those if you prefer. or use bitbake-setup. | 18:05 |
| jclsn | I'll have a look at bitbake setup when I have a new job | 18:05 |
| rburton | (meta-arm's CI will continue to use kas) | 18:05 |
| jclsn | Yeah kas was widely adopted | 18:05 |
| jclsn | Pity that there are so many double efforts | 18:06 |
| jclsn | But I guess Siemens is large enough to not care | 18:06 |
| rburton | i can think of about six setup tools, so what's one more ;) | 18:06 |
| jclsn | Yeah I can still remember times when this Android setup tools was used | 18:07 |
| jclsn | I pushed my team to move to kas | 18:07 |
| jclsn | Next team I worked, they already used kas and even upstreamed stuff | 18:07 |
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| jclsn | Ah the repo tool it was | 18:09 |
| jclsn | with XML configurations, gross! | 18:09 |
| vermaete | hi, any change that core-image-base + an IMAGE_INSTALL = "python-core" in the local.conf is not booting? Sorry to come between kas/repo/bitbake-setup stuff :-) | 18:10 |
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| vermaete | It' so basic I don't dare to post it on a mailinglist. | 18:10 |
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| rburton | vermaete: = means you're just installing python | 18:10 |
| rburton | vermaete: CORE_IMAGE_EXTRA_INSTALL += "python3" will do what you want | 18:11 |
| rburton | (or append to IMAGE_INSTALL, the point is to not reset its existing value) | 18:11 |
| wChrisw | Man I've been using git-repo to pull my layers. KAS looks like a big step up. Any other cool new tools I'm missing? | 18:12 |
| vermaete | dammed, this was not the most cleverest thing I did today | 18:13 |
| vermaete | Thanks rburton | 18:14 |
| kanavin | wChrisw, bitbake-setup | 18:14 |
| kanavin | jclsn, "From the users’ perspective, this sadly seems like a missed opportunity for collaboration. " - yes, but kas never showed any interest in developing mechanisms like fragments in yocto core, or making kas use standard bitbake fetcher, or any other thing that would make it possible to not create another tool | 18:15 |
| kanavin | the best we got out of them is that 'kas is mit-licensed, just take it', essentially a proposal to fork the codebase which no one would benefit from | 18:15 |
| kanavin | I get asked about this all the time, so I need to come up with a standard answer I can copy paste :-) | 18:16 |
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| kanavin | also, it's a question of ownership: I can't imagine yocto project relying on something owned by siemens. since we're not going to fork, it would have to be passed to linux foundation, and siemens would be like 'this is a hard no', I'm sure. | 18:19 |
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| kanavin | (the above is my views, just in case :) | 18:22 |
| jclsn | kanavin: Thx | 18:23 |
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| jclsn | Is there also a kas.yaml to bitbake-setup.json converter? :) | 18:24 |
| kanavin | jclsn, not a single-step. you need to take local.conf snippets from kas.yaml and find a place for them in a layer | 18:25 |
| kanavin | (as fragments) | 18:25 |
| jclsn | Ah so basically generate the configuration from the local.conf and bb_layers.conf? | 18:25 |
| kanavin | jclsn, that should be technically feasible, but the code is not written yet | 18:25 |
| jclsn | Alright | 18:26 |
| jclsn | Thanks, I am not sure if I will even use Yocto in my next job | 18:26 |
| kanavin | bitbake-setup has the philosophy that local.conf is always created blank | 18:26 |
| jclsn | But if not, I'll push them to hehe | 18:26 |
| kanavin | it's a place for users' experiments and local modifications - if you want to publish them, there are better places to put them | 18:26 |
| jclsn | Yeah true, it's good to get something working fast, but not for production | 18:27 |
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| kanavin | kas can easily subscribe to that philosophy, there's now a dedicated file toolcfg.conf, which is intended specifically for tools - not humans - to write into | 18:30 |
| kanavin | so those kas.yaml snippets can go there | 18:30 |
| kanavin | I still don't think such particular configuration statements belong there at all, but I guess kas can't get rid of them now without angering users :) | 18:31 |
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| jclsn | Does the sanity checker prevent SSTATE_DIR to be outside of TOPDIR these days? | 18:37 |
| jclsn | *from being | 18:37 |
| kanavin | no, and I don't think it ever did | 18:38 |
| jclsn | kanavin: So why does it complain about this? SSTATE_DIR ?= "${TOPDIR}/../../sstate-cache" | 18:39 |
| jclsn | Failed to create a file in SSTATE_DIR: Permission denied. | 18:39 |
| jclsn | Ah wait, this is probably a PYREX issue | 18:39 |
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| jclsn | Would need to mount it into the container | 18:40 |
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| kanavin | jclsn, any issue must be reproduced with plain poky first :) | 18:43 |
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| kanavin | rburton, wrote what I know about gawk repro into 16072 | 19:03 |
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| eduardootero | rber|res you can set this variable directly in local.conf. You can add variables manually into that file, should be ok :-) | 19:28 |
| eduardootero | in your custom Yocto build, like you would set other variables there. | 19:28 |
| eduardootero | In my case I am using KAS open source tool for building and then there is there a local_conf_header section, I have configured it there. | 19:29 |
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| rber|res | @<eduardootero> yes I know, but that's not since, since local.conf should be empty and only for local hacks. I need something more generic, which is set by default or based on a configuration and not local.conf | 19:59 |
| rber|res | that's not nice | 19:59 |
| eduardootero | rber|res Understood. You could maybe make a PR in the third meta layer that is dependent on OEROOT and start using TOPDIR, instead. I do not know if that is the best possibility but it is one. | 20:01 |
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| kanavin | rber|res, so what is it that you need to set? | 20:06 |
| kanavin | if you want location of oe-core, that's COREBASE | 20:06 |
| kanavin | if you want location relative to recipe that is THISDIR | 20:06 |
| kanavin | both are built-in and don't need to be set in local.conf or anywhere | 20:06 |
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| eduardootero | kanavin do you know the reason why meta-rauc causes warnings when building due to PREFERRED_PROVIDER virtual/bootloader not being set... while it has actually been set? | 20:13 |
| eduardootero | annoying "warning" messageS: | 20:13 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 20:13 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 20:13 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 20:13 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly | 20:13 |
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| kanavin | eduardootero, why would you ask me specifically? :) | 20:14 |
| eduardootero | kanavin sorry I saw you answering a question and I tagged you unconsciously. Apologies. | 20:15 |
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| eduardootero | Does anyone know how to prevent meta-rauc from throwing these warning messages? | 20:16 |
| eduardootero | I can confirm 100% I have set the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/bootloader. | 20:16 |
| eduardootero | WARNING: Unsupported or no PREFERRED_PROVIDER selected for virtual/bootloader, rauc will not work correctly. | 20:16 |
| eduardootero | the raucb file has been generated successfully and can be located at the DEPLOY_DIR. I do not know why I am getting these warnings since the build is producing the expected artifacts. | 20:18 |
| rburton | kanavin: thanks | 20:19 |
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