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| michaelo_ | walter: sorry, didn't see your notification. Yes, I was talking about OrangePi R2S. | 08:19 |
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| RP | hi paulbarker! | 09:09 |
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| walter | michaelo_: I'll be ordering one of that as well, and I've started to look over the datasheet. Once I'm finished with the current workload, I'll look into preparing the voltage regulators and other things for the OrangePi RV2 device tree, if you didn't do that already. | 11:10 |
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| yocton | Hello :D | 11:26 |
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| aduskett | I wish there way a way to tell Yocto to use a packaged LLVM | 11:31 |
| aduskett | LLVM compiling is literally 75% of the time consumed on my builds these days if sstate cache doesn't exist | 11:31 |
| aduskett | Not to mention eating 48+GB of memory | 11:32 |
| walter | Yeah I noticed that as well, make sure to add ccache, it helps on subsequent builds as well. | 11:32 |
| aduskett | oh subsequent builds are fine | 11:33 |
| aduskett | but that initial build is so terrible | 11:33 |
| kanavin | aduskett, there's one particularly nasty compilation item in it that takes minutes and minutes and minutes after everything else is done | 11:33 |
| aduskett | kanavin, oh? | 11:34 |
| kanavin | yeah, maybe we could configure it out, or split it up | 11:34 |
| kanavin | AMDGPUDisassembler.cpp or something like that | 11:35 |
| kanavin | not sure why it's even necessary | 11:35 |
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| RP | aduskett: you could lock the sstate for that component so it always reused it until told otherwise | 11:37 |
| aduskett | Until LLVM is updated and sstate cache is nullified lol | 11:37 |
| RP | kanavin: rburton would probably know more | 11:38 |
| RP | adadad: no, locked sstate is different | 11:38 |
| kanavin | aduskett, get it prebuilt from yocto sstate, and then lock it | 11:38 |
| rburton | aduskett: use the public sstate if you can, lock the sstate otherwise, and if you're using the right version of oe-core then LLVM_TARGETS_GPU = "SPIRV" will stop it building amdgpu drivers, which are _slow_ | 11:39 |
| RP | adadad: 'bb-lock llvm-native' | 11:39 |
| rburton | other protips include PACKAGECONFIG:remove:pn-qemu-system-native = "epoxy virglrenderer" to stop building the GL integration in qemu, so no mesa-native, so no llvm that way at least | 11:40 |
| kanavin | I wonder why llvm-native even builds those gpu pieces | 11:40 |
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| rburton | kanavin: for mesa | 11:40 |
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| rburton | i need to find the time to investigate using glvnd for native qemu | 11:40 |
| kanavin | but why would target mesa need native llvm gpu pieces? llvmpipe is gpu agnostic | 11:41 |
| kanavin | (llvmpipe in native mesa) | 11:41 |
| kanavin | I don't know much about it these days | 11:41 |
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| rburton | you could probably trim the native target selection slightly | 11:42 |
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| rburton | and we build a native mesa, and some of the mesa tooling needs native llvm to precompile stuff | 11:43 |
| aduskett | Speaking of LLVM filling up 32 gigs of ram + 32gigs of swap and crashing the system lmao | 11:43 |
| rburton | yeah you might want to reduce threads in llvm build if you don't have a lot of ram but lots of jobs | 11:44 |
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| aduskett | I figured 64 would be enough lol | 11:45 |
| kanavin | ... and then it will take even longer :) I'd say prebuilt sstate from yocto servers and bb-lock is the way | 11:45 |
| aduskett | kanavin, do you have a tutorial on how to do that? lol | 11:46 |
| kanavin | bitbake-setup init, choose the with-sstate option when asked | 11:46 |
| aduskett | too easy | 11:47 |
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| kanavin | yocto is famous for its ease of use \-0-/ | 12:49 |
| aduskett | lol | 12:49 |
| aduskett | bitbake setup seems to be a good step in the right direction | 12:49 |
| aduskett | It would be awesome if kas was adopted officially as well | 12:49 |
| kanavin | you are welcome to convince kas upstream to hand it over to linux foundation :) | 12:50 |
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| RP | kanavin: I think I'd phrase that differently ;-) | 13:44 |
| RP | aduskett: kas is happy doing what they're doing. We needed some different things so we've gone a different way. Things like fragments, which are useful to all have come from it so I don't think it is a bad thing as such | 13:44 |
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| kanavin | RP: kas users on the other hand, at least some of them, are vaguely upset at the situation though. I keep having to answer this same question. | 13:50 |
| rburton | meh they can get over it - kas isn't going anywhere and bitbake-setup doesn't stop kas working | 13:51 |
| RP | kanavin: was kind of inevitable | 13:51 |
| KanjiMonster | I trying spdx 3.0 in scarthgap HEAD (via 'inherit += "create-spdx-3.0"'), and it errors out with e.g. "ERROR: python3-ply-3.11-r0 do_create_package_spdx: No SPDX document named (...)/deploy/spdx/3.0.1/cortexa9-vfp/packages-staging/package-python3-ply-dbg.spdx.json found" | 13:52 |
| kanavin | RP: can I ask you directly here, will there be pictures of you in public, in a tuxedo? | 13:52 |
| kanavin | RP in public == rare, RP in public in black tie dresscode == ultra rare | 13:52 |
| RP | kanavin: those pictures do exist! | 13:53 |
| RP | kanavin: https://www.flickr.com/photos/197867178@N06/54964969311/in/album-72177720330752719 | 13:53 |
| RP | https://www.flickr.com/photos/197867178@N06/54965242629/in/album-72177720330752719 | 13:53 |
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| kanavin | awesome! | 13:54 |
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| RP | That is in the house of commons with the Thames outside :) | 13:56 |
| kanavin | RP: yeah, the medieval gothic interiors are vaguely familiar :) | 13:57 |
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| kanavin | next stop, king's tea party at the buckingham palace garden? | 13:58 |
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| RP | kanavin: that would be fun but probably unlikely as the official honours system doesn't really know about open source, they're two different worlds | 14:00 |
| RP | kanavin: openuk does have it's own honours system too but that doesn't involve the palace | 14:01 |
| kanavin | yeah, extra fun if we all have to call you Sir Richard :) | 14:01 |
| RP | kanavin: haha, that would be interesting. Someone would have to fill in the nomination forms and I suspect that would be painful | 14:03 |
| AdrianF | kanavin: Is this a bad idea: https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake-contrib/log/?h=adrianf/bb-setup-vscode? bitbake-setup more or less kills my VSCode setup. | 14:03 |
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| kanavin | AdrianF, not a bad idea at all, I just wonder if it could be less 'hardcoded' like this and more 'tweakable' - I don't have a clear idea at the moment. | 14:06 |
| RP | AdrianF, kanavin: perhaps it should copy a file into position rather than writing it like that? | 14:07 |
| AdrianF | kanavin: Agree, I need to improve it. Just wanted to know if you dislike it in general. | 14:08 |
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| AdrianF | RP: Do you mean it should be atomically created or do you think about a different syntax? | 14:09 |
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| RP | AdrianF: I was just thinking the file could live in the bitbake repo as a file, not be created each time | 14:10 |
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| AdrianF | RP: So far, I think we need to generate it, as it's not just a static configuration. I'll check that and create a patch. | 14:16 |
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| kanavin | AdrianF, it's static in the commit in the link you sent | 14:18 |
| kanavin | I'd rather not have big chunks of data inside bitbake-setup script | 14:18 |
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| michaelo_ | walter: no, I haven't started yet. I'm waiting for 6.19-rc1 (next week-end?) to have a clear starting point. I'll check with you starting working on this. Thanks! | 14:46 |
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| AdrianF | kanavin: There is already https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/scripts/oe-setup-vscode which works independently from bitabke-setup. But with bitbake-setup, we end up with seeing all files from openebedded-core multiple times in the IDE because of the sym-links. But all the other layers are not visible because they are outside of | 14:58 |
| AdrianF | ${workspaceFolder}. | 14:58 |
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| AdrianF | kanavin: Of course, I'm searching for a solution with only one such config file which is usable by bitbake-setup as well as without. | 14:59 |
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| derRichard | kanavin: why do you say kas is unwilling to "hand over". AFAIK they are keen to have kas part of yocto. jan and other made this very clear multiple times. | 15:36 |
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| tlwoerner | until https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251127174140.906490-1-skandigraun@gmail.com/ is resolved | 16:31 |
| tlwoerner | can we please revert https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251023134656.2059483-2-ecordonnier@snap.com/ ? | 16:31 |
| tlwoerner | the build has been broken for ... weeks? now | 16:32 |
| rburton | tlwoerner: patch review call in 30 minutes, pester richard directly :) but iirc the fix was on the list to merge today. | 16:34 |
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| kanavin | derRichard, nothing like that was suggested. Jan suggested that kas and bitbake-setup co-exist, and potenitally cooperate on common configuration mechanisms and exchange useful features. Kas maintainer suggested that kas is MIT-licensed, and we can fork it. Neither is 'making kas part of yocto'. | 17:19 |
| derRichard | kanavin: i have other infos, let me ping jan | 17:21 |
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| roussinm | I'm currently compiling a out-of-tree kernel driver in yocto. There is a Kconfig present but how am I suppose to active some configs? With EXTRA_OEMAKE:append ? Or do I create a config fragment .config? | 22:11 |
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| kergoth1 | It feels like kas has a different scope and focus than bitbake-setup. I do wonder if the former could build on the latter and its capabilities, but I don't see either replacing the other at this point. kas's philosophy regarding usability starkly contrasts with the oe/bitbake focus on flexibility and preference for directly using our file formats | 23:33 |
| kergoth1 | instead of hiding or wrapping them. | 23:33 |
| * kergoth1 shrugs | 23:33 | |
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