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tlwoernerRP: i'm just running a last check of my latest split-out-wic patchset07:13
tlwoernerRP: in previous sets i modified the code to not use bitbake to discover variable values, even if bitbake was available07:13
tlwoernerthis is what caused the "wic list" and "wic create" oe-selftests to need the --vars option07:14
tlwoernerin this new set i don't stop bitbake -e from being called, if it is available, thus no changes are needed to the oe-selftests07:14
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tlwoerneralso, in the split-out-wic repository i split out all the changes into very small patches so you can see there is no changes when wic is initially imported into its own repository, then small changes are added until it works as an independent tool07:15
tlwoernerRP: i'm not sure whether you expect the patches from the wic repository to be posted to the mailing list for review as well?07:16
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tlwoernerthe oe-selftests take over an hour to run, i'll know how it did later today07:17
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paulbarkerMorning07:42
paulbarkertlwoerner: It's worth thinking about how you plan to maintain wic going forwards07:43
paulbarkertlwoerner: Sharing patches for review is always good to get more eyes on them07:44
paulbarkerIf you're maintaining wic, it's up to you how you want to work - by patches to the yocto-patches list, by pull requests, etc07:45
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RPtlwoerner: In my view the wic repo changes should  be posted somewhere. No element of the project operates without some kind of review process08:38
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rburtonaduskett: did you do comparison of the manifests/images before/after the dnf upgrade to see if the final output is unchanged (or changed in expected ways)09:47
aduskettrburton, you know, I never thought to do so09:48
rburtoncan you do that?09:48
aduskettsure can09:48
aduskettrburton, how would I do that?09:49
rburtonstart by: enable buildhistory, build an image with master, build the same image with dnf5, buildhistory-diff09:50
aduskettah ok09:50
rburtonthat will tell you if the image file listing changed09:50
aduskettRunning it now09:53
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rburtoncheers09:55
rburtonwe're discussing them in the patch review call now09:55
rburtonwhich is public and you're welcome to join at any point :)09:55
aduskettrburton, sure why not!09:55
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rburtonwe just moved on but we'll be talking about the dnf patches next week i'm sure09:56
aduskettah ok09:56
aduskettnext time then09:56
rburtonhttps://www.yoctoproject.org/community/get-involved/#virtual-meetings <-- but not monday 6th as national holiday for several09:58
JaManot sure if my threadripper would manage realtime call right now :) Load average: 141.15 141.08 137.3810:00
JaMaI've just closed the browser in hopes of avoiding OOMK until chromium build is finished :)10:01
JaMaheh and xfce got killed right after that message10:02
rburtonthis is why i have a build machine that isn't the thing i type on :)10:06
JaMaI was typing on laptop connected to rpi where irrsi runs, but to look at the patches during the call I would be using my threadripper build machine10:07
JaMaOOMK killed tensorflow-lite build and now it's getting usable again :)10:08
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tlwoernerpaulbarker: RP: it would be great to continue using the oe-core mailing list for patch review for wic10:38
tlwoernerfor the transition there will be patches for oe-core and there will be patches for the standalone repo10:38
tlwoernerfor the wic patches during the transition for oe-core i'll just mark them as "wic:" like normal10:39
tlwoernerfor the patches for the standalone repo during the transition i'll mark them as "wic repo"10:39
tlwoernergoing forward i will hope to see patches for the standalone repo marked as "wic"10:40
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aduskett_I still laugh that core-image-minimal contains things like libmicrohttp, cairlo, perl, etc etc10:43
aduskett_how on earth is that minimal? lol10:43
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RPtlwoerner: I'd suggest yocto-patches10:44
RPtlwoerner: but yes, that sounds find10:45
RPfine10:45
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yoctonaduskett_: There is https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-yocto/tree/meta-poky/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf (but never tried it myself)10:55
aduskettRP, good news! buildhistory-diff only has dnf4 -> dnf5 changes10:55
adusketthttps://pastebin.com/raw/qCLCkfse10:55
RPaduskett: that is good news, thanks for checking10:59
RPrburton: ^^^10:59
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RPmeta/recipes-core/packagegroups/packagegroup-base.bb:    ${@bb.utils.contains('COMBINED_FEATURES', 'vfat', 'packagegroup-base-vfat', '',d)} \11:15
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RPhmm, we should probably do something with that too11:15
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RPmathieudb: my pcmcia patch has a typo in it :(11:17
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mathieudbRP: noted. I didn't take that one yet, will you send a new version or should I fix it?11:19
RPmathieudb: fixed version in master-next11:20
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rburtonaduskett: perfect thanks11:26
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aduskett rburton no worries11:44
tlwoernerRP: thanks, i like that idea (using yocto-patches)11:46
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RPpaulbarker: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/97/builds/3 - down to one archiver failure which I'd now merged a patch for - I think we're good to go there12:07
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aduskettRP, re: the distro_codename truncation. It's up to you. I don't mind either way12:41
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aduskettAlthough the only place I can see that DISTRO_CODENAME is set is in meta/recipes-core/meta/signing-keys.bb12:49
aduskettso `self.d.getVar('DISTRO_CODENAME') or "nodistro"` is a bit redundant12:49
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RPaduskett: the rpm code can be called from other recipes though and they wouldn't see that value12:58
adusketthmmm12:58
aduskettI guess the first suggestion of DISTRO_CODENAME ??= "nodistro" somewhere is probably the best then12:59
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Saurpaulbarker: Might be an idea to add `BB_RENAMED_VARIABLES` for the removed backfill variables?15:01
paulbarkerSaur: I will be sending a follow up to add warnings if the old variable names are used15:01
SaurOk15:02
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RPpaulbarker: something like BB_RENAMED_VARIABLES[DISTRO_FEATURES_BACKFILL] = "support was removed and needs updating to use DISTRO_FEATURES_OPTED_OUT" might work15:44
paulbarkerRP: I like that syntax15:46
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RPpaulbarker: that one turned into quite a powerful yet simple API :)15:57
paulbarkerRP: It's nice to not have to reinvent the wheel15:58
RPprobably should have been BB_DEPRECATED_VARIABLES. Perhaps we should rename it :)15:58
paulbarkerRP: `BB_DEPRECATED_VARIABLES[BB_RENAMED_VARIABLES] = ...` haha15:59
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RPpaulbarker: it does handle two "modes", simple renames and more complex changes, depending on if the string is a single value or has whitespace in it...16:00
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tlwoernerRP: one of the problems i encountered splitting wic out was that one of the wic plugins needed the line "import os" added to it16:43
tlwoerneri noticed this a long time ago and simply added that line16:43
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tlwoernerbut for this new patchset i decided to dig into the issue to try to figure out why it was needed when it was split out, but not needed before16:43
tlwoernerit took all of last night (into the wee hours) and all of today so far to track down the root cause16:44
rburtonRP: posted a rfc to add a recipe-scope sbom-cve-check task. still not entirely happy with it for some reason, but that would be sufficient to do the metrics scan.16:44
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RPtlwoerner: bitbake has an internal global import of "os"16:54
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rburton(i also have a matching but untested metrics patch that should work)16:57
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tlwoernerRP: yea... i found it the hard way :-)16:59
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RPtlwoerner: sorry, I could have answered than one if you'd asked :/17:00
RPrburton: thanks, I'll take a look. Hopefully that makes the metrics job change easier?17:02
rburtonyeah as the tool can write yocto-json its just a matter of running different bitbake commands17:02
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mischiefinitramfs-1.0-r0 do_rootfs: Cannot find any SPDX file for document http://spdx.org/spdxdocs/recipe-libgcc-initial-a4724a6f-7615-5e3e-b3b1-e8812633617:17
mischief3b217:17
mischiefi assume this is a missing dependency somewhere but i have no clue what. any ideas?17:17
mischief(scarthgap)17:17
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tlwoernerRP: oh that's fine, i didn't think to ask (until after). the fix was quick, but i wanted to understand it, and it took me a while to root-cause it18:00
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JaMaRP: paulbarker: is the bb.utils.contains optimalization still working with the new OPTED_OUT variables? if I add ext2 to OPTED_OUT I see significant rebuilds (starting with linux-libc-headers.do_package), I think just changing DISTRO_FEATURES didn't had such big impact before19:59
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RPJaMa: it shouldn't make any difference in theory but there may be something needing tweaking20:13
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JaMahttps://pastebin.com/yKFd0kDd hm wondering where oe.utils.prune_suffix got changed, strange, but at least I wasn't able to reproduce it with just oe-core now20:17
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RPJaMa: interesting. That seems like an interesting thing to change!20:24
JaMayeah, will debug a bit more, now OPTED out acl and waiting for image to rebuild again (but this seems valid as acl is used in systemd)20:25
JaMain the end I might choose to opt out from OPTED_OUT feature and just set whole DISTRO_FEATURES as we did before :)20:26
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RPJaMa: FWIW you should be able to debug with just -S none20:46
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JaMaI'm aware, but I needed the build as well to verify that all GPLv3 packages were removed from the image again (after dropping ext2 and acl) to trigger new builds on jenkins before going to bed20:48
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JaMaacl does correctly affect a lot - 208 tasks just from core-image-minimal, in bigger image it includes chromium as well20:53
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