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| agodard | alimon: thanks, I guess that you are using the shared state cdn (poky-with-sstate)? I think we should make python3-websockets a host requirement | 07:09 |
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| RP | agodard: I think we should just do that now, yes | 07:16 |
| RP | Morning! | 07:16 |
| agodard | RP: ok. thanks for the report alimon! | 07:19 |
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| yocton | agodard: beware, some supported Debians may have a websockets package too old for us | 08:06 |
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| agodard | yocton: what is the minimum version of websockets required? | 08:12 |
| yocton | https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/tree/lib/bb/asyncrpc/client.py#n27 => 9.1. Mais 10.0 sur python 3.10 | 08:15 |
| * yocton is sorry for the sudden french. ENEEDCOFFEE | 08:16 | |
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| agodard | yocton: ah great thanks. and so, what path do we want to take: also advise using buildtools for older debian distros, or a global pip install? | 08:17 |
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| RP | agodard: maybe include a note saying to use either on older distros if you need websocket support for the shared hashequivlance/sstate CDN ? | 08:19 |
| agodard | RP: ok, I need to have a thought on how to document this properly :) | 08:21 |
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| RP | agodard: fair enough. This is why I try hard to keep bitbake dependencies to a minimum. People don't realise how complex it gets | 08:25 |
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| paulg | Oh, I'm sure some people realize how complex it gets. | 09:43 |
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| RP | paulg: some do. I keep getting requests that "can't bitbake just depend on XXX" though | 09:52 |
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| paulg | understood. I think the part (most) people don't get exposed to - is just how much of a spider web the dependency chain becomes. Once everything is tied to everything, it is basically useless. | 09:57 |
| paulg | One of my pet peeves with the implicit direction Ubuntu took. Got sloppy/careless with allowing silly dependencies. | 09:59 |
| RP | paulg: I wish we could spend more time looking at and untangling that | 09:59 |
| paulg | You get horse-puckey where you can't remove "bc" because "xterm" uses it for "resize" and gnome relies on xterm, and ubuntu-desktop relies on gnome. | 10:00 |
| paulg | So, a guy tries to remove bc, and the package manager tells you it is going to delete 3/4 of your machine. Super classy. | 10:01 |
| paulg | (and no, I've not tried to remove "bc" - but I've run into examples nearly identical to that) | 10:02 |
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| paulg | I *have* however many times removed dc - so it doesn't nag me when I fat-finger "cd". | 10:07 |
| paulg | I mean c'mon. I am old, and even I have zero interest in a reverse-polish calculator. | 10:08 |
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| RP | paulg: reverse polish makes my head burt | 10:12 |
| RP | hurt | 10:12 |
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| paulg | That will be the actual "Bladerunner" test in the real future - testing if RPN makes your head hurt. | 10:26 |
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| RP | paulg: I like that :) | 10:39 |
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| paulg | FWIW, I recently re-watched the original w/ Harrison Ford, and the "v2" with Ryan Gosling -- they take on a different light with all the current AI stuff, and robots running marathons faster than people... | 10:43 |
| paulg | Just sayin... Time well spent. Esp. if you've never watched b4. | 10:44 |
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| Crofton | RPN is the only way to drive a calculator | 11:41 |
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| paulg | See? The AI bots can't help themselves but self-identify. :-P | 12:15 |
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| Crofton | I learned calculators on an HP-35 | 12:33 |
| Crofton | parentheses are for the weak! | 12:34 |
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| paulg | my graduate studies supervisor had a HP-15C (or similar) - even back in the early 1990s it seemed "ancient". | 12:44 |
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| paulg | maybe "primitive" is a better word. | 13:17 |
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| paulg | I mean, I dabbled in raw asm back in the vic-20 days, so I "got it" -- in that you'd load values into registers and then apply the operand, but that is just not how "normal" people think. :-P | 13:19 |
| paulg | So I stand behind my Bladerunner claim. :) | 13:20 |
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| Crofton | I have an HP-15C "Limited edition" for daily use now. Not as good as the original though | 13:22 |
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| mcfrisk | Why are the kernel bbclasses hard coding kernel source tree version details into package names? Why aren't PV and PR enough for the package names, and additionally the binaries can check for kernel and module compatibility and export exact version numbers in config etc | 13:49 |
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| alimon | RP: yes so add installation on the quickstart for web sockets and ofc buildtools solve the problem | 14:03 |
| alimon | agodard: that is right | 14:03 |
| alimon | agodard: yes i see python3-websockets being added to the installation list as you suggest | 14:03 |
| agodard | alimon: patches sent this morning for this | 14:04 |
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| RP | paulg: at school for A-level we were allowed the Casio CFX-9800G. We managed to program it to "play" doom :) | 14:06 |
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| paulg | RP, why am I not at all surprised? | 14:08 |
| RP | the dates don't quite work out for that model so either the internet has them wrong or I have the wrong model but it looked very like that anyway... | 14:10 |
| RP | paulg: didn't everyone do that with graphical calculators? :) | 14:10 |
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| paulg | Being a bit older, I pre-dated the graphical versions, as I was in high school in the mid-80s. | 14:12 |
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| RP | paulg: fair. doom was a stretch of the graphics on that. Frame rendering was a few seconds :) | 14:13 |
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| paulg | I had the Tandy/Radio-Shack "programmable" thing with a revolutionary dot-matrix LCD display and I think a whopping 512 bytes of program storage. | 14:14 |
| RP | Sadly I no longer had it as the colour LCDs weren't that stable and it died | 14:14 |
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| paulg | In theory the RS turd is still here, as I never had the heart to lob it into e-waste. Does it still work? That is another question. | 14:15 |
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| * paulg curses RP -- now I'm going to indulge a squirrel moment and spend an hour looking for it. | 14:16 | |
| RP | paulg: I'm wondering if I was actually able to throw mine out. I'm not 100% sure... | 14:17 |
| RP | I can put my hands on its Sharp predecessor in the desk drawer next to me | 14:18 |
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| paulg | It is a shame that phones didn't include a calculator app for like the last 15+ years. :-P | 14:19 |
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| qschulz | tlwoerner: going back to my pile of patches to see which are merged and I can forget, and those still pending. Seems like https://lore.kernel.org/yocto-patches/20260126-optee-os-v1-0-874261a77dad@cherry.de/ didn't gather interest. Is there something I can do there? Do you want me to retest on master? Is it not interesting because proper signing isn't investigated? | 14:37 |
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| alimon | agodard: good, thanks! | 15:00 |
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| yannd | any idea why a python task would not be rerun when I modify its code (but is actually rerun after a clean)? | 15:24 |
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| qschulz | yannd: is it really a task? | 15:26 |
| qschulz | or is it a python function added with e.g. addpylib? | 15:26 |
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| yannd | qschulz: I created it with addtask and declare the python function on next line | 15:28 |
| qschulz | yannd: what's the exact line for your addtask? | 15:28 |
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| qschulz | (i'm mostly interested in at least one "before" which makes sense | 15:29 |
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| yannd | https://github.com/ydirson/xcpng-bitbake-proto/blob/ydi/dnf-bridge/meta/classes/rpm.bbclass#L14 | 15:31 |
| qschulz | yannd: yeah that won't do | 15:31 |
| qschulz | you need a before | 15:31 |
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| qschulz | i'm surprised your task got triggered actually | 15:31 |
| qschulz | yannd: bitbake knows which tasks to execute by going up the dependency chain | 15:32 |
| yannd | there is just one "after", then do_build gets declared after it | 15:32 |
| yannd | if I request just this task, it does say it does not have to rerun it | 15:33 |
| qschulz | which task is called first depends on the dependency chain, do_build when called from the CLI IIRC, do_populate_sysroot (IIRC) for when it's a build dependency (DEPENDS) | 15:33 |
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| qschulz | yannd: why do you want to run it after do_unpack | 15:34 |
| qschulz | and does it need to be a separate task? | 15:34 |
| qschulz | (could you use do_unpack[postfuncs] += "do_builddeps_repo" instead? | 15:35 |
| yannd | well, it could possibly be part of do_build, but that's unnecessary noise while debugging a do_build | 15:36 |
| qschulz | what's the task for which this logic absolutely need to be run before | 15:36 |
| yannd | do_build, which is why I use "addtask do_build after do_builddeps_repo" | 15:37 |
| yannd | and when starting clean, it *does* get run | 15:38 |
| qschulz | mmmm, ok so that should be fine indeed | 15:38 |
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| yannd | I guess I should check what gets used in computing the task hash? | 15:38 |
| qschulz | likely yes, my next question would have been did you change the actual content of it (like adding a comment) or changed a variable that is used in the task | 15:39 |
| qschulz | (e.g. RUNTIMEDEPSDIR but no change to the function itself) | 15:39 |
| qschulz | the :q | 15:40 |
| qschulz | oopsies :) | 15:40 |
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| qschulz | bitbake-dumpsig is what you're after I believe for the tool, you need to pass it the sigdata file, which I don't remember where it is | 15:42 |
| yannd | I do change the actual contents (adding logs) | 15:43 |
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| Saur | RP: Is there any reason to keep the combo-layer script and its associated files in master of openembedded-core? | 15:46 |
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| paulbarker | Saur: I'm now the person running the combo-layer script for scarthgap merges, I'm using the version from the poky-config repo. So, I think we can drop it from oe-core on master | 15:53 |
| yannd | qschulz: "bitbake-dumpsigs -t" makes a cryptic complains about my layer, saying "Siggen from metadata (OE-Core?) is too old, please update it (no version found)" - only digging into bb and oecore do I find it is looking for bb.siggen.find_siginfo_version, which oecore sets from oe.sstatesig. Feels like "yuck" :) Actually I reach that because I'm rebuilding my prototype from scratch and wanted to have stable tasks before importing the sstate | 15:54 |
| yannd | stuff. Any chance that approach could cause my original problem? | 15:54 |
| Saur | paulbarker: Ok, I'll send a patch. | 15:54 |
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