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| khem | roussinm: this is usually a crash. Do you have enough memory | 02:53 |
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| Guest77 | Hi,I’m trying to learn how application containers are usually handled in embedded Linux devices (for example drones). | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | What is the common runtime architecture for containers on embedded linux devices? | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | For example: | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | - Do you usually embed Docker image archives into the root filesystem? | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | - Or do you pre-populate the Docker storage directory (like /var/lib/docker) during build time? | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | Which approach is considered more stable or better? Also, how are packages inside containers typically managed? | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | Are they usually built by Yocto or are they installed through the Dockerfile and then deployed to the target device as container images? | 06:32 |
| Guest77 | Id appreciate any explanations or useful documentation/resources. Thanks :) | 06:32 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest77: it depends (TM) | 06:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | if you want to bake everything in, if you want to roll out containers later OTA, if you want/need orchestration, if you have technical requirements that force you into docker/podman/whatever and so on, and so on. | 06:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | some build ahead of time, and inject the blobs, some use multiconfigs and build in chain, other just build the base image and deploy/pull later... there's no one size fits all. | 06:58 |
| smurray | nore that there's greatly improved container support in meta-virtualization for wrynose as well, e.g. building containers into images is now a first-class thing | 07:02 |
| smurray | err, note | 07:02 |
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| LetoThe2nd | very much so @smurray | 07:14 |
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| Guest77 | LetoThe2nd It’s interesting that there are no standard architectures even in the drone field. OTA updates will probably be used anyway. So, putting Docker image archives inside the root filesystem seems like a good option but I’m not completely sure yet. I don't know pros and cons yet :/ | 07:31 |
| Guest77 | smurray I will check, thanks. | 07:37 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest77: "even in the drone field", well that space is rapidly evolving. I've seen everything from "huge all in one build including containers and sub controller firmware" to bare minimum OS, and later deploy the rest | 08:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest77: full disclosure - I work for Mender (the OTA solution), and yes, I am seeing all of this in drones. | 08:12 |
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| Guest77 | LetoThe2nd Thanks :) | 08:13 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest77: after all, it really depends on the business and operational model. who manages the fleet, under which constraints? connectivity, downtime, safe states, docking, operator confirmation, or hands off? leased devices or sold? singular entities or largish fleets? this is the stuff you need to figure out first, because the software must reflect the project needs, not the other way around. if you want to discuss such in more | 08:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | detail depth, feel free to ping me (josef.holzmayr@northern.tech) | 08:20 |
| Guest77 | LetoThe2nd Got it, THANKS A LOT!!! | 08:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | YW | 08:21 |
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| Dvorkin|2 | my layer supports several OE branches. But one optional layer has the recipe that exists in Scarthgap, but not exists in Kirkstone. I have .bbappend in my layer for that recipe. When building for the Kirkstone I'm getting the error "No recipes in default available for: ... my_%.bbappend". Is there are any beautiful way except BB_DANGLINGAPPENDS_WARNONLY = "1" in local.conf ? | 08:56 |
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| rburton | Dvorkin|2: dynamic layers might help | 10:24 |
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| paulbarker | moto-timo: Do you have any opinions on https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20260513135633.3197130-1-daniel.turull@ericsson.com/? I know you mentioned looking at automatically finding changelogs | 11:45 |
| RP | We're seeing a few interesting check-layer failures. https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/27/builds/3814 and https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/27/builds/3811 | 11:46 |
| RP | memory resident bitbake I wonder? :/ | 11:46 |
| paulbarker | RP: I've seen formfactor:do_populate_lic change signature before, but I thought I'd fixed it :( | 11:48 |
| paulbarker | Also with busybox:do_populate_lic, we have seen the SRC_URI difference before and I thought we fixed the test | 11:49 |
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| Guest85 | I ran into this issue when I was doing "bitbake core-image-sato", do_package() fails for some of the recipes | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | ```tar: ./usr/include/cxl/features.h: Cannot open: Function not implemented | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | ``` | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | So I tried manually running the package command in my host and devshell, there are no issues from the host but from devsheel I got the same failure. Also it seems to fail for any tar commands when I run from devshell, any pointers on this? | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | ```tar -cvf test.tar yocto_builds/build/tmp/work/x86-64-v3-oe-linux/linux-libc-headers/6.18/package/usr/include/asm/amd_hsmp.h | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | tar: Removing leading `/' from member names | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | tar: yocto_builds/build/tmp/work/x86-64-v3-oe-linux/linux-libc-headers/6.18/package/usr/include/asm/amd_hsmp.h: Cannot stat: Function not implemented | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | ``` | 11:57 |
| Guest85 | I am running yocto-6.0_M3 | 11:57 |
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| paulbarker | Guest85 has gone, but my advice would have been to update to the release instead of M3 | 12:23 |
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| RP | paulbarker: I'm wondering if the machine change isn't registering with memory resident bitbake somehow | 12:26 |
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| paulbarker | RP: What is very strange is running the bitbake-diffsigs command printed for the formfactor:do_populate_lic difference | 12:30 |
| paulbarker | The root cause is "Checksum for file machconfig changed from 63c815a6f3f7e3c09638670294674165 to d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e" | 12:31 |
| paulbarker | 63c815a6f3f7e3c09638670294674165 is the md5sum of several of the machconfig files in oe-core | 12:31 |
| paulbarker | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e is not the md5sum of any machconfig file | 12:31 |
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| RP | paulbarker: the busybox one was a clear SRC_URI change... | 12:33 |
| RP | the checksums are odd | 12:33 |
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| roussinm | khem: it was easy to reproduce, I removed ccache from my inherits and it worked somehow. But I guess memory might be an issue also because I have changed the PARALLEL_MAKE and tasks to only 12 instead of 20. | 13:13 |
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| moto-timo | paulbarker: seems somewhat similar to the `changelogs` tool I am playing with https://github.com/moto-timo/changelogs/tree/dev-pyproject.toml | 13:48 |
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| moto-timo | paulbarker: I'll kick the tyres and comment on the ML | 13:48 |
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| roussinm | LetoThe2nd: We have an arm64 platform where we deploy containers. Right now, everything runs on custom scripts and a custom Docker deployment setup (not ideal). We're slowly migrating to meta-tegra and meta-mender. | 14:24 |
| roussinm | For the Docker Compose file, we currently generate a mender artifact using the gen_docker-compose script. For the rootfs build with yocto, my proposal is to bundle the container images directly into the rootfs (no Mender involvement at that layer), and then handle OTA updates for the Docker Compose file as a Mender artifact. First time playing with container and yocto. | 14:24 |
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| rfs613 | what might cause "bitbake -s" to show a different version for a recipe compared with "devtool find-recipe" or "devtool modify" ? (on scarthgap FWIW) | 17:11 |
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| rfs613 | ... looks like this was due to PV being modifed in a .bbappend | 18:08 |
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