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| mischief | any idea why i keep hitting 'ERROR: dm-monitor-1.0-r0 do_create_spdx: Cannot find any SPDX file for recipe base-files, False sstate:base-files:jupiter-poky-linux:3.0.14:r0:jupiter:12: sstate:base-files::3.0.14:r0::12:' when im building for a different machine (not jupiter)? it seems like the spdx deps.json has the machine arch encoded in it for base-files, even though dm-monitor is TUNE_PKGARCH | 03:28 |
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| mischief | wiped my build/tmp to fix it for now, but i suspect its a deeper problem in the spdx class | 03:38 |
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| paulbarker | mischief: Which Yocto release are you running? Would be good to file a bug so we don't lose the report | 07:34 |
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| landgraf | paulbarker: I believe this has been reported (even by myself :D ) already :) | 07:53 |
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| JaMa | marex: I've seen this git maintenance issue again today and again only with blacksail builds with newest git, so it might be side-effect of new geometric strategy being new default for git maintenance: https://github.com/git/git/compare/1ebfc2171310ed5ca2bcd8c1255d45f03e56dda7...452b12c2e0fe7a18f9487f8a090ce46bef207177 | 08:33 |
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| JaMa | rburton: can you please check top-3 commits in https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=jansa/scarthgap the python3 cleanups from you seem to help with build/lib directories being nested once more each time it gets rebuilt in the same WORKDIR, will be testing them for a while to confirm that it really fixes the issue, but any issue to backport them eventually? especially the last one | 10:30 |
| JaMa | which was later reverted | 10:30 |
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| landgraf | Ñmy build is stuck for 6 hours (looks like a loop in NOTE: recipe wpa-supplicant-2.11-r0: task do_package_write_rpm: Started | 10:53 |
| landgraf | and wpa-supplicant-2.11-r0: task do_create_package_spdx: ) is it known issue? | 10:54 |
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| RP | landgraf: not one I know of | 10:58 |
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| landgraf | weird. I don't see anything in the changelog which could cause this :-/ only tmpdir handling changes in bitbake | 11:04 |
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| RP | landgraf: it feels more like bad memory or some kind of IO problem but I'm just going off not much! | 12:06 |
| jmd | There are lots of bad memories when using OE | 12:13 |
| RP | jmd: that makes me quite sad! Hopefully some good ones too! | 12:14 |
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| mischief | paulbarker: scarthgap | 12:19 |
| RP | mischief: there were fixes for that issue, it wasn't an easy one and they were fairly invasive I think :( | 12:21 |
| RP | I think there is/was a bug for it | 12:21 |
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| mischief | it feels like it was a recentish issue, since i didnt see it before. we just updated to yocto 5.0.18. will the fix be backported? | 12:31 |
| mischief | also, perhaps unsurprisingly, the glibc ssp fix broke something too xD | 12:31 |
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| yocton | mischief: There is no current plan to backport a fix. It's not clear to me what bug/fix we are talking about... I found nothing obvious in bugzilla | 12:33 |
| RP | mischief: it isn't clear what would need to be backported | 12:36 |
| RP | mischief: the glibc ssp fix doesn't surprise me :( | 12:36 |
| mischief | well, it only broke one thing, some Marvell switch software | 12:42 |
| mischief | i had thought it was because they thought it was a good idea to make stupidly small pthread stacks, but bumping them did not seem to fix it | 12:43 |
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| roussinm | rburton: trying to run on arm64 machines with meta-tegra, looks like there is a recipe with prebuilt x86 binaries: tegra-minimal-initramfs/1.0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/bin/tegra-flash/mkbootimg: Exec format error. I guess I need to install qemu with a binfmt setup. | 13:16 |
| mischief | RP: i wonder if its 8393557b5229c7a0cea18a586848384bff1d7424 from JPEW in oe-core | 13:16 |
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| aduskett | hmmm | 14:05 |
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| aduskett | I just realized that the kmscon package is broken after 9.3.2 and I didn't notice | 14:06 |
| aduskett | I have been using it with an x86 project, and now a customer with a tegra wants it. | 14:06 |
| aduskett | However, when building, I get `libz.so: error adding symbols: file in wrong format` which it turns out, libz was introduced in 9.3.3 for font compression | 14:07 |
| aduskett | Not sure how to get around this | 14:07 |
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| rburton | aduskett: file in wrong format sounds like its trying to link with the host zlib | 14:11 |
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| aduskett | it's building this genunifont executable and tries to run it | 14:13 |
| rburton | roussinm: well thats a broken recipe then as if it ships prebuilt x86 then the compatible host should have been set so it fails on non-x86. there's a reasonable chance if you dig around you can find arm binaries though | 14:13 |
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| rburton | aduskett: duplicate https://github.com/kmscon/kmscon/blob/main/meson.build#L55 and change it to native_zlib_deps and pass native:true, then edit the reference where it builds genunifont to use native_zlib_deps instead of zlib_deps | 14:15 |
| aduskett | yeah, testing now :D | 14:15 |
| rburton | at least its meson so this is trivial to fix :) | 14:16 |
| aduskett | for sure | 14:16 |
| roussinm | rburton: maybe for arm binaries but: https://github.com/OE4T/meta-tegra/issues/1867 | 14:17 |
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| aduskett | needs both native zlib and regular zlib, nothing too crazy | 14:19 |
| aduskett | hey hey, that works! | 14:19 |
| aduskett | Thanks rburton ! | 14:19 |
| aduskett | I'll submit a patch upstream and to meta-openembedded | 14:19 |
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| aduskett | And done: https://github.com/kmscon/kmscon/pull/402 | 14:27 |
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| roussinm | rburton: if I add the compatible host will it skip the recipe? or yocto will wrap the call with qemu somehow? | 14:29 |
| rburton | roussinm: it will skip and complain | 14:31 |
| roussinm | Hm, not good. I still need the tools to run | 14:32 |
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| rburton | roussinm: i guess you could extend the recipe to use qemu-user in non-x86 situations, as the binary is statically linked | 14:33 |
| rburton | (and harass nvidia to release arm binaries, or open the tool) | 14:34 |
| aduskett | That would require nvidia to actually do something lol | 14:34 |
| aduskett | They just barely got kms working on the latest versions of jetpack | 14:35 |
| roussinm | rburton: i will try the qemu-user workaround. Waiting on nvidia to do something is futile lol | 14:35 |
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| aduskett | rburton, the nvidia tegra team insists users use an excel spreadsheet with a bunch of macros to configure pinmuxes and generate dts files | 14:40 |
| aduskett | Which of course you have to then run dos2unix on because the files have dos line endings which break the tools in meta-tegra lol | 14:41 |
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| rburton | amazing | 14:43 |
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| jmd | Sounds like another good reason to avoid Nvidia | 14:47 |
| aduskett | There are many many reasons to avoid nvidia lol | 14:47 |
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| aduskett | There are many many reasons to avoid nvidia lol | 14:52 |
| aduskett | But if you need an extremely powerful embedded GPU, the choices are limited | 14:52 |
| roussinm | We need to do AI stuff on the device so | 14:52 |
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| aduskett | yep | 14:52 |
| aduskett | At least the mender integration isn't bad. Except LetoThe2nd removed it from meta-mender-community :| | 14:53 |
| aduskett | :) | 14:53 |
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| rburton | clearly you all need to make threatening noises about how good AI is on the new rockchips or something and see if you can get them to fix the tooling | 14:53 |
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| aduskett | rburton, lmao | 14:54 |
| aduskett | Once rockchips tooling isn't just as bad, if not worse, then sure | 14:54 |
| rburton | i'm an optimist :) | 14:54 |
| LetoThe2nd | aduskett: images now live in https://github.com/TheYoctoJester/mender-community-images, just not promoted yet. makes it easier to browse, no more jumping between branches :-) | 14:55 |
| aduskett | AmarulaSolutions (my company) is currently fixing the RK3588 gpu drivers for upstream and they are a nightmare | 14:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | aduskett: but yeah the Nvidia situation is a nightmare. | 14:55 |
| aduskett | oh for sure | 14:55 |
| aduskett | LetoThe2nd, I did end up porting the jetpack6 stuff over to wrynose | 14:56 |
| aduskett | pretty straight forward | 14:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | aduskett: send PR :-) the strategy for new releases is "all boards except those which I can personally test get removed, and re-added as submitted." | 14:56 |
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| aduskett | The xml partition table stuff is a nightmare. On my branch I copy the .xml file directly into the tegra-storage-layout-base recipe | 14:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah I think I've heard that a few times already. | 14:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | aduskett: BTW, coming to Nice next week? | 14:58 |
| aduskett | indeed. The guys at meta-tegra want people to use tegra-storage-layout but I have never got it to work | 14:59 |
| aduskett | LetoThe2nd, unfortunately no :( Have to go to Bologna instead. | 14:59 |
| aduskett | Specifically Carpi | 14:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | :-( | 14:59 |
| aduskett | You should come to Amsterdam amico mio | 14:59 |
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| LetoThe2nd | already have a lot of travel this year ;-) ELC Asia has been announced.... | 15:00 |
| aduskett | nice! | 15:01 |
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| LetoThe2nd | indeed | 15:03 |
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| rburton | obviously prague is the best conf this year, as its the one i can get to... | 15:08 |
| aduskett | I might attend Prague... | 15:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah Prague is the prime one this year. | 15:09 |
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| roussinm | rburton: first draft from Claude: https://privatebin.net/?51427e586fbed5db#DywCMviePM8WKS2RMBYgw4q6LEzjaiJEEJJn44M6saWF | 15:12 |
| rburton | hm the pattern of looping a glob and checking files exist makes me double-suspect some patches we've seen are actually claude-generated | 15:13 |
| rburton | well obviously i'd rewrite almost every line there ;) | 15:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | "hey claude, rewrite this how rburton would" | 15:14 |
| roussinm | LetoThe2nd: haha | 15:15 |
| aduskett | LetoThe2nd, you forgot "make no mistakes" typical amateur move | 15:16 |
| paulbarker | "rewrite this how rburton would" will get you a patch that deletes as much as possible | 15:18 |
| roussinm | Just for the giggles: I've seen enough of rburton's style. Key traits: | 15:18 |
| rburton | perfect | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 15:18 | |
| roussinm | 1. Minimal, no unnecessary abstractions | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 2. No block comments explaining what's obvious from the code | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 3. Short inline comments only when needed | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 4. Uses bb.utils.contains / inline Python idiomatically | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 5. Wrappers are minimal: just exec the real thing | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 6. Prefers removing code over adding it | 15:18 |
| roussinm | 7. Uses standard OE patterns, no custom overrides or novel mechanism | 15:18 |
| roussinm | No idea, if those are accurate, but funny | 15:19 |
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| LetoThe2nd | roussinm: cue https://youtu.be/qnLunQEcMn0 | 15:26 |
| roussinm | LetoThe2nd: haha | 15:27 |
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| LetoThe2nd | BTW, has anybody packaged HelloWorld.java yet? https://youtu.be/yup8gIXxWDU | 15:32 |
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| RP | roussinm: seems pretty accurate and sensible to me to be honest! | 15:43 |
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| roussinm | And this is only based on commit history | 15:46 |
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| marex | JaMa: oh, interesting, thank you for finding that one | 16:18 |
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| RP | mischief: I was thinking of https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=45019a49f977c1e31a11f153a87839b4b5aee210 | 16:51 |
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| roussinm | rburton: do you work remotly on the arm64 machines? Do you use vscode, vim, sshfs, nfs, or just local on the cloud machine with you ssh agent forwarded? | 19:18 |
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| Guest-fermion | Hello, from the SSTATE documentation here: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/5.2/overview-manual/concepts.html#shared-state-cache | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | I see this: | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | "Fundamentally, building from scratch is attractive as it means all parts are built fresh and there is no possibility of stale data that can cause problems. When developers hit problems, they typically default back to building from scratch so they have a known state from the start." | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | This makes sense o me based on my work experience, but the company is evaluating on doing production builds with SSTATE. | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | Do you know of any documentation suggesting best practices on this topic? | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | Wikis, Videos from conferences or slides. | 19:37 |
| Guest-fermion | Thanks in advance :) | 19:37 |
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