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| RP | kanavin: the qemu upgrade is segfaulting with virgl - https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/35/builds/3920 and https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/48/builds/3783 - any thoughts on what we should do? The hosts it works with are getting fewer and fewer :/ | 07:21 |
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| LetoThe2ndPirate | https://youtube.com/live/YoNYJipKqnM - live from Nice | 07:23 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:27 |
| mckoan | live from Nice has low audio and 50Hz ripple | 07:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | Hmmm | 07:28 |
| mckoan | far batter | 07:29 |
| mckoan | better | 07:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | Thx | 07:29 |
| mckoan | thank you Josef | 07:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | I was just about to ask when you already provided Feedback ❤️ | 07:30 |
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| mckoan | :-D unfortunately I won't be able to attend the whole event. I have a couple of calls and other things to do in the office after two YP trainings in the last two weeks | 07:34 |
| LetoThe2nd | There will be recordings 👍 | 07:37 |
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| kanavin | RP: I can look into this specific failure, but I wouldn't mind if the virgl gtk/sdk tests are disabled. Then we can consider only supporting qemu graphics via vnc, and disabling gtk and sdl frontends. This in turn would remove the requirement to have x11 or wayland on the host. | 08:04 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, nice, I had assumed it won't be broadcast | 08:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: I didn't announce it for expectations management, its the first time trying the rig, relying on hotel Wifi, all the evil things. So I wasn't really sure it would actually work. So I chose "a possible nice surprise" over "big news and then eventually failing" | 08:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | If it works and provides value to people who can't be here, then it is what I hoped for. | 08:13 |
| kanavin | it absolutely does. | 08:14 |
| kanavin | for me it's a bit soon to get into an airplane, although I ditched the crutch last week \0/ | 08:14 |
| kanavin | and started riding a bike, for now, just regular rides around town to go to shops etc, not anything sporty or long | 08:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | 🤞 | 08:20 |
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| kanavin | RP, another reason to disable the direct sdl/gtk output is that qemu hasn't migrated to latest major releases of either (gtk4/sdl3) and there's no indication that it would. | 08:31 |
| RP | kanavin: right, I'm torn... | 08:33 |
| kanavin | RP: I would however maintain the headless/vnc virgl support, even if centos and derivatives lack the needed kernel module. Centos 11 will have it, and then it'll trickle down to alma/rocky etc | 08:36 |
| kanavin | my pull request to have it backported to centos 10/9 has hopelessly stalled though, no actual human is looking at it :-/ | 08:37 |
| kanavin | RP, I can summarize this to oe-architecture perhaps? | 08:37 |
| RP | kanavin: might be an idea if you're willing to write it up | 08:38 |
| RP | kanavin: just make it clear "support" means testing and our default configs, not removing the PACKAGECONFIG | 08:39 |
| kanavin | RP: yeah, people always assume the latter :D | 08:39 |
| RP | kanavin: might as well just be clear :) | 08:39 |
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| RP | LetoThe2nd: the survey is fun :) | 08:59 |
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| LetoThe2nd | RP: :-) | 09:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: I have been told that doing this and heckling you with my stupid ideas does not count as "working on YP/OE" | 09:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | (for the sake of gauging provided technical maintenance, that is ;-) ) | 09:24 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: I'd disagree, it is definitely work! :) | 09:35 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: no worries, it was just the usual on stage heckling between Megan and me. | 09:35 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: yes, all good :) | 09:35 |
| kanavin | when I said 'RP!' in the youtube chat, I meant I also want to see RP at the hackathon :) | 09:40 |
| kanavin | can we have it in some beautiful british country house? | 09:40 |
| kanavin | downton abbey style | 09:41 |
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| RP | kanavin: there are some amazing places we could do something like that | 09:43 |
| kanavin | RP: yes, I've been to a few, they're really lovely. I need to improve my posh accent though! | 09:44 |
| kanavin | I find my russian-finnish way of talking super cringey | 09:44 |
| RP | kanavin: well, my northern accent would be out of place too, unless it was one of the northern ones :) | 09:45 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, stream stopped, at almost exactly 3 hour mark | 10:24 |
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| LetoThe2nd | hm. | 10:28 |
| RP | kanavin: looking at bitbake-setup, you used bb.process.run(). Was there a reason you didn't use subprocess for those execution calls? | 10:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: is it back? | 10:29 |
| kanavin | RP: I don't have an instant answer. Maybe because I looked at some code in bitbake to see how to 'do things' and that's what it used. | 10:30 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, yes | 10:31 |
| RP | kanavin: I thought that might be the case. I think we can remove many of the uses of bb.process, I was just wondering if there was something I was missing | 10:31 |
| kanavin | RP: what would be the reason though? | 10:35 |
| RP | kanavin: security hardening. We need to modernise the way we're handling subprocesses in many cases | 10:40 |
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| LetoThe2nd | We are back after lunch | 12:03 |
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| Saur | LetoThe2nd: What was that about a hackathon? | 12:09 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Saur: it was IIRC the question if we want something like that, and what would be expected from it. | 12:32 |
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| RP | I've often thought about a "null" package manager | 12:50 |
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| Saur | What would a null package manager mean? | 13:00 |
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| Saur | Emantor: Regarding meta-apk: Did you ask around about it? Because we are still around. ;) I have discussed it with rburton on a couple occasions, but we never got around to publish it. Fredrik is on parental leave, and no one has worked on meta-apk since 2022, but that would be at least two years newer than what you found on lore. Be aware that we never put it into production... | 13:28 |
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