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| rburton | RP: so the underlying cause to my wheel embarrassment is that when recipes are removed from the sysroot we leave directories behind, which includes wheel.dist-info, which python will expose as a package that exists. i still disagree with this design but i can try upstreaming a patch to build to make it validate packages. | 09:54 |
| RP | rburton: I've found that really frustrating too, I would love upstream to take a patch to do something slightly different, or we could carry one | 09:57 |
| rburton | i think the catch is that the obvious places to patch have fallbacks for legacy eggs, but i think we can patch build directly and just ignore that edge case | 09:58 |
| RP | rburton: do we even need legacy eggs? | 09:59 |
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| tgamblin | I'm surprised that setuptools still supports eggs at all, but there are commits referencing them upstream as recently as July 5th | 12:11 |
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| smurray | vmeson: wrt your question on why people update their Rust dependencies, the one KUKSA.val maintainer told me in their case it's driven by wanting to show clean on github's "Security & Code Quality" stuff, which does dependency scanning | 16:49 |
| smurray | vmeson: I believe their CI workflow is effectively tracking latest Rust via Docker container, so they never see a problem like we would | 16:51 |
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| vmeson | smurray: Thanks. I see this as another case of some tool/workflow defining stability and security in a way that is different from Yocto. If only Rust would have a bug fixes only / no new features release every year or two! | 18:48 |
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| smurray | vmeson: I don't think it's "Rust the toolchain" that's really the problem, the "Rust ecosystem" would need a big change to mandate that crates always need a branch that works with some range of older Rust versions | 18:50 |
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| smurray | vmeson: there's stuff like the Rust "editions" and some cargo options around generating lock files with fixed versions of specific things, but that all seems not really enough given the bigger dependency tree problems | 18:52 |
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| smurray | vmeson: I suspect we're stuck with how things are, since cloud folks likely are used to workflows that can keep up with that | 18:56 |
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| vmeson | smurray: tldr: I agree. Randy Intelligence ouput: yes, you're right that it's not just the Rust toolchain and the cloud development expectations are a big part of the problem. ;-) | 19:14 |
| vmeson | fun: Cloudflare, Bad gateway for: nvd.nist.gov Host Error | 19:15 |
| smurray | given what they host, they're probably getting scraped to death | 19:16 |
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