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| Dvorkin | Huw to call the python procedure (without return value) in shell function like do_compile() properly? Using R="${@dv_parse_its(d)}" ? | 06:57 |
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| Dvorkin | another question: why if I do param="xxx"; R="${mypythonfunc(d,'${param}')}", the ${param} is not substituted in shell do_compile() ? | 06:59 |
| paulbarker | Morning | 07:11 |
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| RP | Dvorkin: you can't. Shell runs after python | 07:23 |
| RP | technical reason is that it is near impossible to regain the python context from a shell | 07:24 |
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| alperak | Hi, morning. | 08:12 |
| alperak | What's the usual production/industry practice for encrypted data partitions on embedded Linux devices? | 08:12 |
| alperak | Do you normally provide some kind of recovery key/mechanism for cases where the device itself is dead or is it acceptable/common for the encrypted data to become unrecoverable if the device can no longer boot and access its key? I know **it depends** but I wanted to ask what you all do and about your experiences. | 08:12 |
| alperak | Thakns in advance. | 08:13 |
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| alperak | In first sentence, asked a somewhat general question. My main point in the sentence below is the recovery aspect. | 08:16 |
| mcfrisk | alperak: who owns the data? with TPM, the device can own the data. If device is owned by end user, then manufacturer can not access it. Well without backdoors in the OS itself. | 08:18 |
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| aduskett | Adding Java26 to my meta-java layer was super easy. Barely an inconvenience | 08:21 |
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| alperak | @mcfrisk | 08:37 |
| alperak | The data is owned by the customer so I don't necessarily want the manufacturer to have access to it by default. What I'm trying to design is a device bound encryption scheme using OP-TEE/TA and derive a hardware unique key, which is then used to protect the LUKS2/dm-crypt volume. | 08:37 |
| alperak | My concern is the recovery scenario. If the device or its TPM/ELE(EdgeLock Enclave(NXP)) backed key becomes permanently inaccessible somehow, I don't want the customer's data to become unrecoverable solely because the device died. So I'm considering having a separate recovery mechanism/key for the LUKS2 volume, kept separately from the device, while keeping the normal unlock path fully device bound. I think this is slightly different | 08:37 |
| alperak | from giving the manufacturer a backdoor. The recovery key would only be used for an explicit recovery procedure and could be held by the customer or escrowed depending on the product requirements. | 08:37 |
| aduskett | alperak, what I did in your scenario is auto-encrypt the volumes on first boot using systemd-cryptenroll and then save the recovery key in /data/ and tell the customer to copy it or lose it | 08:46 |
| aduskett | Alternatively, you could display the recovery key on screen and tell them to write it down :D | 08:46 |
| aduskett | I used plymouth for their boot screen so it was quite easy to display the recovery key | 08:47 |
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| Xogium | sounds fair to me | 08:51 |
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| mcfrisk | alperak: sounds like firmware TPM in OP-TEE could help with quite industry standard solutions. systemd is handy at creating encrypted partitions | 09:03 |
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| yannd | :facepalm: I just realized that PREFERRED_RPROVIDER wants a *recipe* name not a *package* one. But I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind that, as it would prevent a single recipe to build packages rproviding a given feature | 09:24 |
| RP | yannd: PREFERRED_RPROVIDER has always felt wrong in many different ways :/ | 09:31 |
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| yannd | it is not even documented at the bitbake level, only in the Yocto manual :/ | 09:41 |
| RP | at least it did have some documentation I guess? :) | 09:42 |
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| alperak | @mcfrisk @aduskett thanks. | 10:25 |
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| yannd | RP: that's quite unfortunate for my usage, actually: https://paste.vates.tech/?ca719c218c5c7e80#7srV1VjqvfV8j8awDF1n53aaNMxefnW5sfbKhwmyaaQN :(( | 10:27 |
| yannd | (that's "naively replace the package names with recipe names") | 10:28 |
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| yannd | RP: is there by any chance a list of those wrong things about PREFERRED_RPROVIDER somewhere? I might have the need to do something about it, so maybe tackle more than one issue :) | 10:45 |
| RP | yannd: I've posted on the bitbake list before about this. I'm not sure there is a proper list. If I knew how to fix it, I would have by now | 10:52 |
| RP | yannd: My instinct is that we shouldn't have it at all really :/ | 10:53 |
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| yannd | I guess that at the recipe level, PROVIDES does the job already. My need for RPROVIDES is linked to my need (in RPM building context) for another thing that is outside of bb's own context: handling build-dependencies with package granularity. I guess that should be better off in a layer (but then, I sorely miss a minimal bb layer, having to cherry pick bits out of oe-core that really are not oe-specific, so I'm kinda working on this already) | 11:59 |
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| aduskett | There we go: https://github.com/amarula/meta-java/tree/master | 13:54 |
| aduskett | moved to its proper home | 13:54 |
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| aduskett | supports JRE 17/21/25/26 | 13:54 |
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| aduskett | lol sick | 16:16 |
| aduskett | I got maven integrated as well. | 16:16 |
| aduskett | With a -cupdate_maven_deps just like cargo | 16:16 |
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| paulbarker | If anyone wants to think about how C++ module lookup will interact with our build system, pkgconf has a proposal open for discussion: https://github.com/pkgconf/pkgconf/issues/589 | 17:04 |
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