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dwagenkJPEW: Hello! You are "the spdx guy" on here, right? I've recently sent a draft via the oe-core mailinglist to include layer information in the spdx3 output. It's still rough, but I'd be happy about feedback to ensure the direction is correct. See https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/245763 and the related v212:48
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RPdwagenk: the hash mismatches are a huge concern :/13:08
RPdwagenk: we also have to be careful about the way recipes contaminate each other. Adding a new layer shouldn't cause gcc-runtime to rebuild for example13:08
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RPI suspect that kind of issue is why you're seeing the mismatch error13:08
RPI guess I'm saying that what you're trying to do may not make sense - you don't want to include all layer information in every recipe spdx13:09
dwagenkI guess the latter could be fixed by only importing relevant layer sbom objects into a recipes sbom. Defining what's relevant is another question then, but for the current scope it would be each layer that provides a file that's in `SRC_URI`.13:13
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RPdwagenk: right, that would at least improve things. Do you really want everything to rebuild just because you made a new commit to the layer though?13:17
RPe.g. I commit a change to update the README. SHould every recipe then rebuild for the new updated layer hash?13:17
dwagenkThe spdx tasks would reexecute with every change, yes. I'd say that's correct, since reuse of something from cache that used some temporary commit id would kind of defeat the purpose (specifying the source of files). I don't know how people generally use this, I've only seen spdx generation turned on in release (-candidate) pipelines but build13:21
dwagenkwithout them during everyday development.13:21
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RPdwagenk: the recipe spdx piece runs before compile so that will be extremely painful for most users13:26
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RPdwagenk: whilst it fulfils an ideals goal, I don't think it will be generally usable and it destroys use of things like the sstate cache13:26
dwagenkRP: OK, thats interesting. I didn't see any recompilation due to the changes, but I also tested with a minimal setup and functioning hash equivalence that might have hidden such issues.13:29
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dwagenkFor the current scope of naming the source of `file://` entries in `SRC_URI` reexecution of recipe spdx tasks should be limited to the recipes that take files from a layer that changed, e.g.13:33
dwagenkadd a layer -> nothing changes13:33
dwagenkadd a layer with bbappend that causes a file to be taken from that layer -> the relevant recipe spdx is reexecuted13:34
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dwagenkTracking all layers as part of the build config would need to be default off, similar to `SPDX_INCLUDE_BITBAKE_PARENT_BUILD`13:36
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RPdwagenk: The end result is already captured in the taskhashes and those change when the input actually changes. This is what really matters. IMO the rest is just creating paperwork/audit trail for the sake of it :/13:39
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RPmaking whole builds uncachable is clearly the future though :(13:39
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dwagenkUncacheable is not the goal, but recording the inputs (as present during the bitbake invocation) and caching seems to contradict each other.13:47
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dwagenkRP: My main focus is attaching source information to files from layers, because without them relevant parts of the deployed software are not tracked in the spdx document. If it's easier to tailor a solution just for that case instead of tracking all layers I'd be fine with that as well.13:49
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JPEWYa, it's particularly difficutly to track (precise) layer info at the recipe level14:27
JPEWAnd I'm not sure I have a good answer there14:27
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dwagenkJPEW, RP: thanks for your input! I'll see and test if I can get this information into the spdx without causing unnecessary cache failures.15:50
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