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Guest60Hi, I have a question about Yocto best practice. Let's imagine I have a machine and want to write a kernel recipe. I'm thinking of using override(:mymachine) for variables and adding “mymachine” to COMPATIBLE_MACHINE.09:44
Guest60This recipe supports a single machine(mymachine) at the moment, but if a machine from the same family or company comes in the future, I think it can use the same recipe by adding “newmachine” to COMPTABLE_MACHINE and variables override(:newmachine). Is this the right approach or ?09:44
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rburtonif you set COMPATIBLE_MACHINE in the recipe and its just one machine then you don't need to use overrides at all09:48
Guest60I was just thinking of using it to prevent the user from using this recipe by mistake or something, and to let them know that the recipe currently supporting this machine.09:52
rburtonthey can't if COMPATIBLE_MACHINE is set09:52
Guest60I know, what I mean is that when a new machine comes, compatible host will be updated like COMPATIBLE_HOST = “mymachine and newmachine”. I will support it by using overrides for newmachine as well as mymachine in the recipe.09:56
rburtonsure09:56
rburtonhave a look at linux-yocto for an example09:57
rburtonor better yet, just use that instead of your own kernel :)09:57
Guest60Is that the wrong or unnecessary approach?09:57
Guest60what I'm trying to do?09:57
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Guest60Looking at linux-yocto I see that this isn't wrong or unnecessary :)09:59
Guest60rburton Thanks!09:59
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Guest74Hi everyone, Can anyone please tell me how can I generate debug sybols within yocto? I have added EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES ?= "tools-debug debug-tweaks dbg-pkgs" in local.conf and app-dbg to get installed. Still no success in having images with debug symbols under /packages-split/. I am using scarthgap. I'll appreciate any help10:49
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rburtonGuest74: the symbols are already split out by the time they get to packages-split: the binaries are stripped and the symbols are in the -dbg packages10:53
kanavinGuest74, packages-split/ does not contain images, it contains content of packages for a recipe10:53
rburtondon't worry about the build tree, if you've installed app-dbg in the image then gdb will find the symbols10:53
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Guest74rburton kanavin there should be size difference between normal and debugged binary. I see no difference. So don't really comprehend10:59
kanavinGuest74, debug symbols are split into a separate file, so the original binary is the same10:59
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kanavin(and they are also packaged separately, into app-dbg package)11:00
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Guest74kanavin so what should be injected to gdb so it can work. the main binary doesn't help as gdb says it has no symbols11:02
rburtonis that gdb on target?11:03
Guest74rburton yes11:03
rburtontriple check that you've installed the yourapp-dbg package into the image11:03
Guest74I have in my package class11:04
Guest74app \11:04
Guest74app-dbg11:04
rburtonverify that app-dbg actually contains something like /usr/bin/.debug/app11:04
rburtonif it doesn't then your recipe is broken11:04
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Guest74rburton ohhhh yes it's there however hidden. Thank you very much11:08
rburtongdb should be following links automatically and it will just work if the file is actually installed11:10
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Guest74rburton yes that works. Is there a flag which builds the symbols for all binaries regardless of -dbg package added to image extra11:16
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rburtonGuest74: debug-pkgs in IMAGE_FEATURES will pull every debug package into the image11:31
kanavinGuest74, there's also support for debuginfod, which is better in several ways11:33
kanavinno need to bloat the image with debug symbols, gdb will fetch them from the build host11:34
kanavinprogress with enabling virgl on centos clones \0/ https://gitlab.com/cki-project/kernel-ark/-/merge_requests/344911:37
kanavinonly took 7 months to get a review for a trivial change :-/11:37
kanavinI'm now backporting this to centos stream 10 and 9, so hopefully in time this will trickle down to rocky and alma11:37
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Guest74kanavin ohh thankyou very much that's new for me.11:56
Guest74rburton thank you very much for11:56
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RPkanavin: for a second I wondered what I hadn't reviewed for 7 months :/12:09
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kanavinRP: didn't mean to give you an adrenaline spike, it's red hat :)12:20
kanavinlet's see when a human looks at these https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/src/kernel/centos-stream-10/-/merge_requests/1069 https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/src/kernel/centos-stream-9/-/merge_requests/702112:21
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kanavinso far both requests have been assaulted by bots, noting 'missing' things in cryptic ways I am not sure how to address :-/12:22
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TosikHello. I use Yocto "scarthgap" and trying to include protobuf into SDK. I added TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK:append = " nativesdk-protobuf" to local.conf. After build and SDK generation there are protobuf libs in target folder, but no protoc in host folder.12:38
KanjiMonsterkanavin: I guess the missing commitref bot is complaning that your backported commits do not contain the original commit's hash in whatever format they expect in the commit message12:38
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kanavinKanjiMonster, I get that they want some kind of reference, it's just unclear what I should put there.12:40
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RPkanavin: That does look confusing :/12:43
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rburtonTosik: did you mean to add nativesdk-protobuf-c?12:48
rburtonTosik: ah no you meant nativesdk-protobuf-compiler12:48
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Tosikrburton: I want to have "protoc" in my HOST SDK folder. So, user can generated .cpp files from *.proto files.12:53
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Tosikrburton: I found old thread here https://github.com/openembedded/meta-openembedded/issues/628 but this change is already in "meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-devtools/protobuf/protobuf_4.25.3.bb" file. I also tried to remove "-Dprotobuf_BUILD_PROTOC_BINARIES=OFF" in this file, then I got protoc, but in TARGET folder :), not in HOST.12:55
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rburtonTosik: which is why i said you want to add nativesdk-protobuf-compiler, because that's the package the compiler is in.  (in walnascar, too busy to dig into scarthgap)12:59
KanjiMonsterkanavin: going by e.g. https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/src/kernel/centos-stream-10/-/merge_requests/389, it seems to be looking for a "Upstream Status: foo" line13:00
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kanavinKanjiMonster, and foo would be?13:11
kanavinin any case, I don't want to do guesswork or searching prior examples :-/13:11
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rburton🎉13:29
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Tosikrburton: thanks! Actually adding TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK:append = " nativesdk-protobuf-compiler" was an answer.14:29
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alperakthe linux-yocto-tiny recipe has KCONFIG_MODE = "--alldefconfig". Shouldn't it be "alldefconfig"?15:48
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zeddiiabsolutely not16:39
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alperak@zeddii if the reply is for me, this is what the documentation says -> https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-KCONFIG_MODE17:10
zeddiiit is17:11
zeddii-tiny absolutely is not supposed to be defconfig17:11
zeddiitiny shuts absolutely everything off, and explicity enables what it needs. otherwise, it isn't so tiny. it is just "the default"17:12
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alperakI think I misrepresented myself, I'm talking about how the variable is handled, not what it does.17:20
alperakIn kernel-yocto.bbclass(line 470), the shell case statement uses the "*alldefconfig" pattern. Here, the asterisk (*) acts as a wildcard and matches any characters before "alldefconfig".17:20
alperakTherefore, any value ending with "alldefconfig" including non standard forms like "--alldefconfig" or "cia-glow-in-the-dark--alldefconfig" will be matched and processed if i'm not wrong.17:20
alperakWouldn't this cause confusion for the user?17:20
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alperakOh, linux-yocto-tiny uses KCONFIG_MODE = “--allnoconfig” but as I said, my question is how the value is handled.17:28
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zeddiiI don't see any issues with it. There are really only the two valid options. We just have a default if one isnt' recognized, and if someone tries to use such a bizarre value in that variable, there's only so much we can do to help them.17:44
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zeddiiwhen I wrote the code originally, the flag was passed directly (hence the --), but there was some discussion about having some translation, hence the variants with no dashes. And I tweaked the case statement to handle both ways.17:53
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alperakThanks for the explanation.17:57
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fullstopis there any way to modify / append the debugfs_script when building an image with wic?20:15
fullstopI have a few directories in there which have content excluded with the rootfs plugin, but the base directory remains.20:16
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fullstopThe timestamp in a reproducible build is not applied to those directories and it causes more data to be sent than I'd like when doing delta updates.20:17
fullstopFor example, /boot is excluded since it contains a kernel, etc, and I don't want that in the root filesystem.  This is the end result, though: https://pastebin.com/raw/0nkA48cF20:22
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fullstopmtime is set to whatever time it did that operation.  It is not set to the fixed value like most of the other directories.20:22
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fullstopI mean, I can modify partition.py but that's hardly a long-term fix.20:31
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