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| agodard | rburton: thanks, I took a note of the opencl missing feature | 06:51 |
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| mischief | hooray, we are finally on scarthgap. better late than never i suppose! | 08:10 |
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| kanavin | mischief, you should be on master too. maintain both. | 09:13 |
| RP | mischief: congrats! | 09:13 |
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| mischief | i still have a pile of shit to do | 09:36 |
| mischief | as much as i'd like to move closer to HEAD of oe, i'm only one guy | 09:37 |
| mischief | took me 9 months, but that was filled with a lot of interrupts and half-assery | 09:37 |
| walter | kanavin: how does one do that? with 2 separate branches? or do people keep one branch that works with both? I spent yesterday about 2h trying to update my playground from walnascar to master and there were quite a few things I needed to fix -- mainly because I didn't do them correctly in the first place. but still, not as easy as git checkout. | 09:37 |
| mischief | we even delayed the removal of meta-gplv2, so now i have to go fix that next | 09:38 |
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| kanavin | walter, basically yes two branches, and a rigorous process for patch flow from master into stable (which can be semi-automated, e.g. a gitlab bot that acts on tags and creates backport MRs). | 10:35 |
| * landgraf must have master build too :-/ but pretty much in same situation with a lot of stuff to do | 10:37 | |
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| walter | I see. Thanks! | 12:40 |
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| ignatius | Hello, any thoughts or recommendations regarding compiling software for host (using the host compiler) compared to using SDK and using crosscompiler for target (and run on target or in qemu)? There are some split opinions where I work. Barely any SDK usage and most people just bitbake the entire image which is pretty slow, so people are pushing for compiling for an x86 image and run parts in docker (instead of arm or running using qemu). | 13:12 |
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| michaelo_ | ignatius: one of the main arguments is reproducibilty. If you build on the host, how reproducible is this? People could have different host distributions that could make things worse. Anyway, OE/Yocto has all the infrastructure to make sure all builds are always the same. Unless you're making only prototypes, I believe this is very valuable for a real project. See https://reproducible-builds.org/ | 13:17 |
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| ignatius | thanks for the reply! Yeah I totally agree with that. But then again, I guess you can setup a new MACHINE for x86 and use SDK for that as well, and get reproducible builds as well. Not sure how happy binaries will run on local host machine with shared libs and so forth. So kind of still back in the qemu thing but for x86 this time. | 13:20 |
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| mcfrisk | actually it's about resources. a real product needs to be made in case, and bugs need to be fixed there. cost of maintaining a high level compatible virtual setup may initially be low but in the end really high when more and more HW features are used. I have the opinion that if company needs make physical products to make profit then company needs to do a lot of physical product iterations and in that case | 13:26 |
| mcfrisk | virtual products don't help but only reflect resources and focus away from the real product. | 13:26 |
| mcfrisk | /case/any case/ | 13:26 |
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| ignatius | Interesting! Yeah I kind of buy that. Or at least to have a really good iteration loop with real HW before considering simulations. Mocking low level stuff in order to simulate is probably a time sink. And it basically means having to port software so that it works on several architectures (which has very little value). | 13:54 |
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| mcfrisk | ignatius: similar reasoning can be used to define test targets, e.g. debug vs product builds/images. testing of product builds/images must happen anyway. testing debug builds/images may increase testing coverage but higher prio should be on product build/image. of courses test coverage may overlap and unit tests/debug builds with instrumentation may help to get rid of bugs which are really hard to find | 14:09 |
| mcfrisk | with product build/image testing, but which are very costly to fix late in development cycle. | 14:09 |
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| RP | kanavin: I'm still struggling a bit with the autobuilder integration due to the way bitbake-setup isn't really specifying branches :/ | 14:17 |
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| vmeson | You're pushing your builders too hard when you see: Can't exec "/bin/sh": Cannot allocate memory at ... usr/bin/autom4te line 96. -- This is our somewhat deliberately overloaded build system at WR. | 14:26 |
| vmeson | I say somewhat because people disagree about how we should be running the cluster... fun. | 14:27 |
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| mcfrisk | malloc() failures on 64bit systems, interesting. normally these don't happen when there is virtual memory and only oom killer does its thing | 14:28 |
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| vmeson | mcfrisk: it's in a container and there are 3 container running on each node. I'm trying to get more memory or new servers but that'll take a while and some $$$ | 14:31 |
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| kanavin | RP: I'll answer on the mailing list | 15:14 |
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| rburton | khem: i spent _way_ too long making a standalone test case for the toolchain-native thing to verify exactly what was breaking and it was a cmake.bbclass problem and not a clang-specific problem! | 15:32 |
| rburton | but i did, so i'm happy | 15:32 |
| rburton | including reading ninja files by hand, they're fun | 15:33 |
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| RP | kanavin: thanks, I figured it was best to explain/illustrate the issue there | 15:36 |
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| ignatius | Yeah true. Okay great, thanks for the input everyone! | 15:47 |
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| kanavin | RP: there's also an email with three nitpicks, I'm not sure if I should be looking into them, or if it's you taking notes in public :) | 16:07 |
| kanavin | (there's already a fix in master-next of similar nature) | 16:07 |
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| RP | kanavin: the nitpicks are there to record the things I found. Some of them probably could use improvements for usability as the errors were really obtuse | 16:11 |
| RP | kanavin: those ones didn't block me. The fix on master-next did block me so I added some tweaks to work out how deep the issue was | 16:12 |
| RP | kanavin: I'm trying to get to the point where we can run a build of master-next on the autobuilder with bitbake-setup, then we can all see the results and integration | 16:13 |
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| RP | kanavin: I do have my local setup doing that now, it is still a bit broken though :/ | 16:14 |
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| kanavin | RP: I wonder about that fix though. It changes the test: - if os.path.exists(builddir): | 16:21 |
| kanavin | + if os.path.exists(os.path.join(builddir, "layers")): | 16:21 |
| kanavin | print("Build already initialized in {}\nUse 'bitbake-setup status' to check if it needs to be updated or 'bitbake-setup update' to perform the update.".format(builddir)) | 16:21 |
| kanavin | but builddir and layerdir are created in quick succession one after another: | 16:21 |
| kanavin | os.makedirs(builddir) | 16:22 |
| kanavin | confdir = os.path.join(builddir, "config") | 16:22 |
| kanavin | layerdir = os.path.join(builddir, "layers") | 16:22 |
| kanavin | os.makedirs(confdir) | 16:22 |
| kanavin | os.makedirs(layerdir) | 16:22 |
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| kanavin | what scenario caused one to be created but not another? or is it something else that was a blocker? | 16:22 |
| RP | kanavin: the issue is that if the directory exists but is empty, it fails to run the setup. I need it to run on a directory that exists | 16:23 |
| kanavin | RP: right, okay. No problem then. | 16:24 |
| khem | rburton: thanks it stood the CI well for me, for a unit test, we can build cmake-helloworld mimicing the clang's trying to build native tool inside a nativesdk build | 16:24 |
| RP | kanavin: if I try and do otherwise, the only way I could make it work was to go another level deeper and we end up with build/build/build paths on the autobuilder | 16:24 |
| rburton | khem: yeah i extended the cmake test in meta-selftest. i will clean it up at some point and post. | 16:24 |
| khem | rburton: and then dumpting the ELF header using readelf -e and checking that it does not contain LIBDIR | 16:25 |
| rburton | khem: i was actually just running it and seeing if it worked, but yeah a proper test can do more | 16:25 |
| rburton | also i was poisoning the flags so it refused to even try to link | 16:25 |
| rburton | export LDFLAGS=--cmake-die-die-die, and see what happens | 16:25 |
| khem | rburton: I was also wondering if it would make sense to override LDFLAGS with BUILD_LDFLAGS instead of unsetting it | 16:26 |
| rburton | well its fun... | 16:26 |
| rburton | we override the variables that all the other env vars feed into anyway | 16:26 |
| khem | do we specify any ldflags of interest in build linker flags like pick the uninative linker | 16:26 |
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| rburton | so it is just ldflags, and we do pass build_ldflags | 16:27 |
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| khem | yeah thats given, we fix what is hurting the eyes everything else is ok :) | 16:27 |
| rburton | but the environment ldflags leaks into more variables | 16:27 |
| rburton | no doubt this means that we're actually passing the ldflags twice in every link | 16:27 |
| khem | oh yeah ldflags come via different route I get it | 16:27 |
| rburton | but "rewrite toolchain" can happen post-release | 16:27 |
| rburton | which needs to happen, there's some good improvements we can make | 16:28 |
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| khem | agreed, the unsaid contract of honoring env variables on top of toolchain cmake file can be PITA to fix | 16:28 |
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| roussinm41 | I'm currently building the amdgpu drivers as built-in for the kernel, which requires the firmware to be present. Our Linux recipe adds a dependency on the linux-firmware recipe, but because of SYSROOT_DIRS_IGNORE, no AMDGPU firmware is installed into the recipe sysroot. I created a .bbappend to remove that restriction. Now the kernel builds, but | 16:44 |
| roussinm41 | all the firmware (~1.2 GB) ends up in the rootfs. There doesn’t seem to be an easy way to include only what I need, amdgpu and a few others, which should be about 60 MB at most. Any tips? | 16:44 |
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| rburton | roussinm41: by "all the firmware" do you mean the linux-firmware packages or it embeds all the firmware into the kernel? | 16:47 |
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| roussinm41 | linux-firmware packages _all_ of them in the rootfs. I don't think it embeds them. | 16:48 |
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| roussinm41 | I have configured the CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE for the amdgpu. | 16:49 |
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| khem | in your bbappend you can delete the firmware you do not need in do_install:append | 17:02 |
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| roussinm | khem Right, I thought of that, but that seems like an annoying list to maintain. Given that AMDGPU is built into the kernel, is having the firmware in the initramfs sufficient, or do I also need to embed the firmware in the kernel because the filesystem might not be mounted in time? | 17:05 |
| khem | then override full do_install and install only what you need | 17:06 |
| RP | kanavin: I've pushed the pieces needed for the controller and updated the helper branches to match. I'll work on a master-next helper branch on that uses bitbake-setup next. I have the basics of one locally but I need to make it match the cleaned up code I pushed | 17:06 |
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| kanavin | RP: I'm going to add branch support to bitbake-setup and make that a separate commit on top of bitbake repo's master-next. It should not be difficult, but it's friday night, so afk time now. | 18:11 |
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