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| Noor | Hello all | 10:26 |
| mckoan | Noor: hi | 10:27 |
| Noor | I am getting this error | 10:31 |
| Noor | When reparsing /home/ahsann/flex/releases/scarthgap/2025.4/oe-core/meta/recipes-core/meta/meta-environment.bb:do_generate_content, the basehash value changed from 283a170f19955ad30d5 | 10:31 |
| Noor | 4ad1ebe93888ea41e169a267250d3d8c47402150fd0b1 to 81dbe6c0ec77f2b8a94fc220dafaa3276f8722da26de4e31d0c33c301e3a0875. The metadata is not deterministic and this needs to be fixed. | 10:31 |
| Noor | I know this is mostly due to the reason of using DATE variable. what I am trying to do it to see where these hash files are located and compare them to make sure that its due to DATE variable. I am not able to find the files. I know sigdata is location in tmp/stamps | 10:31 |
| Noor | ls tmp/stamps/x86_64-nativesdk-oesdk-linux/meta-environment-ana-arm64-flex/1.0.do_generate_content. | 10:31 |
| Noor | 1.0.do_generate_content.c0e58cfb3da7e1b1e349b4720dd6832b689d6f988dfffeea931bfd351a1cd761 | 10:31 |
| Noor | 1.0.do_generate_content.sigdata.96ce04d01d6b8cc15a5429d70ae1cc0810ea608be012fdf3f74355ebcf6b7905 | 10:31 |
| Noor | but the hash does not match what is being shown in the error. So from where I can find the files mentioned in the error and dump the info | 10:31 |
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| Noor | Although I do have this in our conf | 11:58 |
| Noor | SDK_VERSION = "${@d.getVar('DISTRO_VERSION').replace('+snapshot-${DATE}', '')}.${SDK_TIMESTAMP}" | 11:58 |
| Noor | SDK_VERSION[vardepsexclude] += "SDK_TIMESTAMP" | 11:58 |
| Noor | SDK_TIMESTAMP = "${@d.getVar('DATETIME')[:-2]}" | 11:58 |
| Noor | SDK_TIMESTAMP[doc] = "The timestamp from the DATETIME variable, without seconds." | 11:58 |
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| Noor | OK it looks like 283a170f19955ad30d54ad1ebe93888ea41e169a267250d3d8c47402150fd0b1 and 81dbe6c0ec77f2b8a94fc220dafaa3276f8722da26de4e31d0c33c301e3a0875 is the sha256 of the values and stored in cache database. Correct me if I am worng | 12:03 |
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| RP | Noor: run bitbake-dumpsigs on the sigdata file to see the info | 12:15 |
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| Noor | RP it says | 12:26 |
| Noor | List of dependencies for variable SDK_VERSION is ['DATE', 'DISTRO_VERSION'] | 12:26 |
| Noor | doesn't following exclude DATE from dependency | 12:26 |
| Noor | SDK_VERSION = "${@d.getVar('DISTRO_VERSION').replace('+snapshot-${DATE}', '')}.${SDK_TIMESTAMP}" | 12:26 |
| Noor | SDK_VERSION[vardepsexclude] += "SDK_TIMESTAMP" | 12:26 |
| Noor | SDK_TIMESTAMP = "${@d.getVar('DATETIME')[:-2]}" | 12:26 |
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| RP | Noor: right. You should also see the basehash values in there | 12:28 |
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| Noor | RP the basehash: 81dbe6c0ec77f2b8a94fc220dafaa3276f8722da26de4e31d0c33c301e3a0875 | 12:36 |
| RP | Noor: which matches what you asked about above | 12:38 |
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| Noor | Yeah thanks for pointing me on that | 12:40 |
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| LetoThe2nd | if wanted to name the most important factors for reproducibility in Yocto, what would those be? | 13:47 |
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| mcfrisk | LetoThe2nd: putting a price tag on the cost of non-reproducible builds and tests when you have shipped one million products with thousand HW and ten thousand SW variants. | 13:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | mcfrisk: hehe. I see the question was badly worded. | 13:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | "what are the most important technical pieces that help implementing build reproducibility in Yocto"? | 13:57 |
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| mcfrisk | I think the cost is technical. Without an exact, calculated, verified cost no company will pay for the extra effort to fix reproducibility issues. other things will always be "more important" | 13:58 |
| JPEW | LetoThe2nd: Diffoscope output, automated tests, underlying build system support (e.g. respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, path rewriting), and sorting; lots of sorting | 13:59 |
| JPEW | In no particular order | 13:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | mcfrisk: I'm not questioning the importance of cost, I'm just saying that if you look at the metadata and bitbake, then you won't see cost. | 14:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | JPEW: interesting, what's the point of "sorting, lots of sorting"? can you elaborate a bit? | 14:00 |
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| JPEW | Without over simplifying things, if you have a list of something that affects the build, it probably needs sorted or it will be non-reproducible. You'll occassionally see "reproduciblity" fixes where it's just "this list was non-deterministic, so sort it". | 14:02 |
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| LetoThe2nd | JPEW: thats indeed a very good one. | 14:03 |
| rburton | no implicit dependencies | 14:04 |
| JPEW | ^^ oh, that's a good one too | 14:04 |
| rburton | (i have a patch to send to make meson.bbclass force all the auto dependencies off) | 14:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: thx | 14:04 |
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| * mcfrisk fondly remembers the times when deadlines were more important and build QA issues required by contracts, and the mess that resulted when builds failed left and right 40% of the time. not even binary reproducibility... | 14:11 | |
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| LetoThe2nd | mcfrisk: we all remember these times | 14:20 |
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| qschulz | FYI, build testing mesa-25.2.5 right now | 14:28 |
| qschulz | will do a simple test on a Rockchip PX30 and send the patch on the ML soon | 14:28 |
| rburton | qschulz: very unlikely to make 5.3, fwiw | 14:30 |
| qschulz | then it'll make it to 5.3.1 :) | 14:30 |
| qschulz | rburton: I think we have an issue with deduplicate PACKAGECONFIG in linux-firmware recipe | 14:35 |
| qschulz | if we deduplicate, it means we replace some files with symlinks to the "gold" file | 14:35 |
| qschulz | which may very well be in a different package | 14:36 |
| rburton | that's fine, do_package will create dependencies then doesn't it? | 14:36 |
| qschulz | c.f. mali-csffw-arch1* packages will necessarily depend on one of the packages | 14:36 |
| qschulz | rburton: the default do_package does that? | 14:37 |
| rburton | i thought it did. should be easy to check... | 14:37 |
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| qschulz | process_fixsymlinks | 14:38 |
| qschulz | seems like it does, sorry for the noise and TIL :) | 14:38 |
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| Ermine | hello, my next problem is that the kernel doesn't get into image. And manifest doesn't list linux-yocto package. Where should I dig? Can it have to do anything with layers i use for soc support (e.g. meta-rockchip)? | 16:04 |
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