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| Duste3 | Hello I am working on a project that uses Bitbake and SystemD services but I can't find any documentation for the SystemD variables here: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/bitbake/bitbake-user-manual/bitbake-user-manual-ref-variables.html | 05:27 |
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| Duste3 | Found it here https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-SYSTEMD_PACKAGES | 05:36 |
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| paulbarker | kanavin: Did you have a chance to test my pseudo sstate dependency patch? I know you managed to reproduce the issue back in Sept so would be good to know if the patch fixes it for you | 10:00 |
| paulbarker | it is https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=mathieu/master-next&id=ee87f0717a6b02b058569e02ad1e755b261d113e | 10:00 |
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| kanavin | paulbarker, I trust you followed my instructions to reproduce the issue, and confirmed it no longer happens | 10:12 |
| kanavin | the link to them is in the bugzilla ticket | 10:12 |
| paulbarker | kanavin: I couldn't reproduce the exact failure you were seeing | 10:13 |
| kanavin | paulbarker, that failure would've happened only with a particular earlier iteration of the sqlite version update | 10:13 |
| kanavin | paulbarker, but the issue with failing to pull in sqlite can be seen without it, it just doesn't explicitly fail | 10:14 |
| kanavin | so you can first check if sqlite isn't being pulled in, apply the patch, and then see if it is | 10:14 |
| paulbarker | kanavin: Even without the patch, every time I ran it, the sqlite3 do_populate_sysroot_setscene ran before the do_package_setscene task I was testing | 10:15 |
| kanavin | paulbarker, okay, let me try again | 10:15 |
| paulbarker | There wasn't a hard dependency in place so it wasn't guaranteed, it's likely non-deterministic based on number of threads, what's in sstate and what's already been built | 10:16 |
| kanavin | paulbarker, no it is very deterministic | 10:17 |
| kanavin | paulbarker, immediately reproduced. you can see that pseudo-native runs first, then gcc-runtime do_package_setscene. sqlite3-native setscene runs after either of these, which is incorrect | 10:19 |
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| kanavin | paulbarker, https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/222660 | 10:20 |
| paulbarker | Huh. I tried those exact steps and kept seeing sqlite3-native setscene run before gcc-runtime do_package_setscene | 10:21 |
| paulbarker | But I confirmed the dependency which would force the correct order was missing and it exists after my patch | 10:21 |
| kanavin | I can try with the patch now | 10:21 |
| paulbarker | That would be great. I'll also try a few more builds here. It looks right but I'd like to confirm it definitely solves the issue you're seeing | 10:22 |
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| kanavin | paulbarker, it does, yes. I ran the steps twice with the patch and twice without, and the setscene order is correct with the patch, and not correct without. | 10:26 |
| paulbarker | kanavin: Much appreciated! | 10:26 |
| paulbarker | Not sure why I haven't been able to reproduce the issue here, | 10:27 |
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| rburton | anyone brave enough to have an ubuntu 25.10 setup to hand? | 13:24 |
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| walter | What do you need? I've emptied an NVMe drive with the intention of putting a new OS onto it, I could start by flashing Ubuntu 25.10. | 13:28 |
| rburton | i'm curious if it installs uutils instead of gnu coreutils by default or not | 13:28 |
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| rburton | and if it does, does it also install gnu coreutils | 13:29 |
| walter | I've heard it's uutils and there are fancy problems with checksum computations. | 13:29 |
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| walter | (but those could be old news by now) | 13:29 |
| rburton | yeah, that's fixed | 13:29 |
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| rburton | but it doesn't call fchown() etc which breaks pseudo quite badly | 13:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: I can spin up a container on Proxmox if it helps | 13:33 |
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| rburton | yeah i should just spin up a container | 13:34 |
| walter | I think that containers could be different. I've just verified the download, I can spin up a VM and install it. | 13:35 |
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| walter | I've installed it, but I can't get network to work for apt to show me the installed packages, probably dpkg will work, trying now. | 13:47 |
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| walter | rburton: dpkg --list shows coreutils being installed | 13:53 |
| walter | but there's a 2nd entry called "coreutils-from-uutils" | 13:54 |
| walter | which is also installed. | 13:54 |
| rburton | interesting! | 13:56 |
| rburton | is eg /usr/bin/chown an alternatives link to /etc/alternatives and then somewhere else? | 13:57 |
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| walter | one moment, I've been debugging the network issue. | 13:58 |
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| walter | `realpath $(which chown)` shows `/usr/bin/gnuchown` | 14:00 |
| walter | `gnuchown --version` shows "chown (GNU coreutils) 9.5" | 14:01 |
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| walter | Also, `update-alternatives --get-selections` shows nothing related to cureutils or chown. | 14:04 |
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| walter | Found something | 14:05 |
| walter | `realpath $(which sha256sum)` shows: /usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils/sha256sum | 14:06 |
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| walter | rburton: check this out: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/6df002d52cc767ac04a168cabcff4534858c0ef1 | 14:07 |
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| rburton | walter: can you dpkg -L coreutils please | 14:21 |
| walter | It's almost empty. Just a changelog and and a copyright file | 14:27 |
| walter | And it's coreutils-from-uutils that provides the binaries and the man pages. | 14:29 |
| walter | Interesting, there's gnu-coreutils, which provides provides binaries with a gnu prefix. | 14:33 |
| rburton | where does gnuchown come from? | 14:33 |
| tgamblin | rburton: bug triage? | 14:33 |
| walter | and `coreutils-from-uutils` provides the symbolic links that either point to coreutils-from-uutils or to gnu-coreutils. So I'm thinking that they don't have everything ready in rust. | 14:34 |
| rburton | whats the content of gnu-coreutils? | 14:35 |
| walter | gnuchown is from `gnu-coreutils`, but the symbolic link from `chown` is from coreutils-from-uutils. | 14:35 |
| walter | rburton: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/b9f2ef6e458e04196452f57a3e1e3168aca386c1 | 14:36 |
| walter | for completion: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/2c60343738b241d971e28323fe0817116a037757 | 14:39 |
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| walter | So, `coreutils-from-uutils` provides the /usr/bin symlinks and there's `rust-coreutils` and `gnu-coreutils` that provide the actual binaries, and gnu-coreutils are installed in /usr/bin with a `gnu` prefix. The rust ones are under /usr/lib/cargo/bin/coreutils | 14:45 |
| walter | I'm wondering why they didn't go with update-alternatives. They either don't like something about it, or they probably forgot about it, which I would say it's more likely. :) | 14:48 |
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| smurray | using /usr/lib/cargo/bin/... seems odd to me, cargo's a build time tool, it has nothing to do with run-time | 15:20 |
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| PiotrBulinski | moto-timo when would you have time to look at https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/yocto-patches/message/2287 and/or have a chat? I have another patch-set ready to introduce dev containers to layerindex-web, but it depends on this patch being merged. Once we have dev-containers enabled in the master branch, I look at the bugzilla and start working on the bugs/features from there. | 15:37 |
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| moto-timo | @PiotrBulinski sorry, I got busy with a new feature development... it's on my todo/wishlist to review. If my tests of my rpmsg R5 <-> A53 start working today, I can breathe a bit. | 15:39 |
| moto-timo | also somehow my life outside of work got fuller and busier (which is a good thing for a recovering workaholic) | 15:40 |
| fray | moto-timo just start a home remodel, and have nobody to help you. I promise your life becomes work, sleep, work, sleep, remodel, sleep, remodel, sleep.. :P | 15:41 |
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| PiotrBulinski | moto-timo ha! that's great! No rush on my end, just want to make sure I didn't mess up the patch submission, but if it's on your todo list, then I'll wait for feedback :) | 15:41 |
| moto-timo | fray: I've also heard that having a child or getting a puppy also "solves" the problem of working too much | 15:42 |
| fray | lol yup that too | 15:42 |
| moto-timo | I swear I probably have like two days worth of follow up and review... for like a month now | 15:43 |
| moto-timo | I guess it is better to be busy (as a consultant) than idle ;) | 15:44 |
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| walter | I'm curious, can I run `modprobe g_mass_storage` with read-write permissions on both the USB device itself, and on the connected USB host? I can see it works just fine with read-only permissions on the device and read-write on the USB host device, but does the driver know to not cause issues if you updated it in one place, then wait for sync and update it in the other place. | 17:09 |
| walter | I'm looking at mass_storage.c, but it doesn't provide much info on how it works, you need to check a lot more things. | 17:12 |
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| Habbie | i feel that's really a filesystem question | 17:38 |
| Habbie | "can this filesystem deal with data changing from under it" | 17:38 |
| Habbie | most can't | 17:38 |
| Habbie | especially not with caching going on | 17:38 |
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| walter | I tried it with an Android phone, changes on the device weren't reflected on Android phone until I've ran `rmmod` and `modprobe` again. | 18:34 |
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| Habbie | probably caching then | 18:43 |
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