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| RP | buildstats builds working again which is a relief | 10:48 |
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| jmd | I'm getting this warning: "WARNING: huuw-0.0-r0 do_package_qa: QA Issue: File /home/huuw/erty in package huuw-dbg contains reference to TMPDIR [buildpaths]" | 11:36 |
| jmd | But I'm sure it's erroneous. I'm 9% certain there is no such reference. | 11:37 |
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| landgraf | jmd: just open this file and grep for tmp | 11:54 |
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| rburton | jmd: why does the -dbg package contain a normal file in /home? | 11:59 |
| rburton | the test is incredibly simple ("is tmpdir in file_contents") so i'd be surprised if you have a false-positive | 12:00 |
| jmd | Well grep tmpdir on that file finds nothing | 12:05 |
| jmd | There is a tmpfile and tmpnam and __tmp | 12:05 |
| rburton | it means your tmpdir | 12:06 |
| rburton | it looks for your build path | 12:06 |
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| jmd | You mean ${WORKDIR} ? | 12:13 |
| jmd | That I can believe. | 12:17 |
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| landgraf | jmd: ${TMPDIR} | 12:27 |
| landgraf | just as it says | 12:27 |
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| jmd | That's normally set to what? | 12:39 |
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| ww-wojtek | I was wondering, what's the reason behind bitbake always spinning up a separate "bitbake-server" process? wouldn't that slow things down? | 12:54 |
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| tomasav | hi all, I am getting an error in the unpack phase of this particular recipe https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python3-pyyaml_6.0.1.bb?h=scarthgap-5.0.13, with the do_populate_sdk task for my image | 13:06 |
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| tomasav | "cp: preserving permissions for ‘./test_dump_load.py’: Invalid argument" | 13:06 |
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| tomasav | any clue what could be wrong or how to fix this? | 13:11 |
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| tomasav | for the moment I just removed it and the ptest stuff :) | 13:29 |
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| rburton | ww-wojtek: why would it slow it down noticably? | 14:05 |
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| rburton | ww-wojtek: fwiw, you can enable memory resident bitbake and then the server will stay around, and that's faster | 14:16 |
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| ww-wojtek | rburton: I would just assume that spinning up a single process is always faster than spinning up multiple and I am basically trying to understand what the trade off is or what you gain by making it a client-server.. also feels cleaner to me that you maintain control over bitbake while its running in your tty but maybe in some usecases I'm not aware of that would actually be unwanted? | 16:49 |
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| rburton | ww-wojtek: bitbake spins off tens of processes. the server means the UI can just do UI stuff, and the server can focus on spawning off workers. there's client/server split so that the UI is switchable, ie toaster is a bitbake UI that is a web app. | 16:54 |
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| ww-wojtek | rburton: I see, I guess that makes sense. I guess the reason why I've even thought of this is that when I've been making little changes on a relatively slow laptop "lenovo x1 carbon" it struck me that just the reparsing stage can even take a few minutes which can get painful if I'm iterating, making small changes.. or that once in a while if I cancel the build forcefully, the bitbake-server would keep running in the bg | 17:05 |
| ww-wojtek | so I'm trying to understand the design better | 17:05 |
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| rburton | ww-wojtek: look up memory resident bitbake | 17:08 |
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| rburton | though parsing taking minutes suggests you've a very large build tree, as my x1 does not take that long | 17:38 |
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| ww-wojtek | rburton: thanks, i'll try the persistent mode next time | 17:46 |
| ww-wojtek | we have a project based on meta-tegra | 17:46 |
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| ww-wojtek | so maybe that's very large (in comparison to others) | 17:47 |
| rburton | obviously you should be able to reparse in less than minutes, so absolutely worth investing in a better build machine. one powerful desktop that a number of people can SSH into will be faster than laptops. | 17:51 |
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| ww-wojtek | yeah we've recently done that and it has been truly life changing.. but still its cool when you can do things locally | 17:53 |
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| Xogium | speaking of build machine... | 17:59 |
| Xogium | what would be better here, you reckon ? A machine with a ryzen 7 3700x, nvme ssd, 32 gb of ddr4 ram, or even if older gen hardware overall, one with two xeon e5-2680v2 cpus, sata ssd, and 128 gb of ddr3 ? | 18:01 |
| Xogium | that'd be huh 20 cores/40 threads | 18:02 |
| Xogium | I'm hesitating between doing my builds locally here or to use my bigger server for those | 18:02 |
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| rburton | Xogium: benchmark both :) | 18:06 |
| rburton | nvme makes a huge difference though | 18:07 |
| Xogium | yeah I think it does | 18:07 |
| Xogium | is there a good and practical way of benchmarking something like a basic poky build other than just trying it and figuring out with something like the time command what happens ? | 18:07 |
| khem | Xogium: generammy 4GB RAM per cpu core and NVME SSDs | 18:08 |
| khem | generally | 18:08 |
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| rburton | Xogium: personally "git clone poky kirkstone then bitbake core-image-sato --runall fetch; time bitbake core-image-sato" does the trick | 18:09 |
| Xogium | hmmm | 18:09 |
| Xogium | rburton: thanks :) | 18:09 |
| rburton | obviously copying the dldir from another machine speeds things up | 18:09 |
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| khem | infact bitbake the image you are building for a closer benchmark to usecase | 18:10 |
| rburton | but "kirkstone build, prefetched sources, no config changes" is a trivially reproducible build | 18:10 |
| khem | there are some monsterous packages if you depend upon them | 18:10 |
| Xogium | oh for sure | 18:10 |
| Xogium | but having a general idea of how a simple build behaves is a good general idea | 18:11 |
| Xogium | of how things could go | 18:11 |
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| khem | yeah for benchmarking perhaps its ok to use a reference image | 18:11 |
| Xogium | I'm fairly sure the more modern machine will win | 18:13 |
| Xogium | :D | 18:13 |
| rburton | more cores can do more in parallel, but you might find spinning rust is a bottleneck | 18:13 |
| Xogium | well this is sata ssd vs nvme, so I reckon the difference won't be as big, but even then | 18:16 |
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| rburton | ah fair | 18:17 |
| khem | there are many factores between cpu and memory and disk that play part, a 2year old server class h/w would perform better compared to a desktop form factor machine | 18:17 |
| khem | buses and caches are very key | 18:17 |
| rburton | thus, just do two builds when they're idle. so many variables otherwise. | 18:17 |
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| Xogium | right yeah | 18:20 |
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| khem | rburton: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2020-13253 I think is the reason for that qemu 2^x quirk | 18:28 |
| khem | out of bound errors :) | 18:29 |
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| rburton | khem: bit of an overkill :) | 20:54 |
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| JaMa | Xogium: with just 32g ram you won't have enough for the bigger build and no ram left for disk cache, so in this case I would bet on 128g ram with older server cpu to win even on sata if you keep your filesystem in cache with long commit interval and nobarrier | 22:14 |
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| vvn | I like BSP layers to be minimal, i.e. only providing the minimal machine configuration to boot core-image-minimal, and have the distro layer providing support for this machine with dynamic layers (e.g. firmware upgrade, etc. since that is build policy) | 23:20 |
| vvn | but that can become quite heavy to maintain, especially when your distro supports multiple machines | 23:20 |
| vvn | do you guys maintain some sort of "integration" layer to configure a distro for a specific machine in addition to the distro layer and BSP layer(s)? | 23:21 |
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| vvn | such "integration" layer may be even more complicated to maintain, I guess the single distro layer with dynamic-layers is supposed to be enough if well maintain | 23:35 |
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